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I dont even wanna know what Kenny will cost to sign.

Stryker said:
I'm not as down on Carr as the rest of you. He won a must win game against the Chargers that got us into the PLAYOFFS!
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Did remember that yesterday
 
Daniel jones… tge QB the Giants nearly traded to start over last year just got 40 million a year for 4 years…
Saquon Barkley, who was rumored to be getting shopped for a fourth or fifth last year, just got franchise tagged…
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Yeah Canada sucks but he didn’t tell lil Kenny to run outside the pocket leaving his protection and then to slam his head into the ground…his play calls suck and I can’t stand him but pretty sure even moron Canada didn’t draw that up

KP receives concussions from the ground, poor helmet choice, leaving protection of the pocket and not knowing how to fall…and he may be a little soft skulled/fragile too..all Kenny issues

He’ll have a very short career of he can’t figure out some of HIS issues
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Regardless of “his” issues, it will take some “coaching up”, which we seem to be lacking in. Yes SIR, fighting Pickett makes those choices but as he gains experience he will be better in that regards. I just hope his handlers (includes coaches) can help him in that regards and NOT just abandon him on his own to figure it out.


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madinsomniac said:
Thats just foolish… the reason QBs cost so much is that it is a pass centric league now and even just regular good qbs are extremely rare…

Look at the Browns search for a qb that’s going on 3 decades now… the only trick is not overvaluing a non game changer at qb… if you got a great one you pony up… if you don’t, don’t break the bank for him


Though always having a developmental qb is a good plan… just in case
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^^^^^^this^^^^^^

GREAT post madinsomniac and thank you SIR….!!!


Definitely the “over-value” of the QB is where many teams go wrong. It’s not just QBs either.

We almost over paid LeVeon Bell, good thing he walked instead of accepting our offer.


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jitter77 said:
If we are worrying how much we have to pay Kenny then that is probably a good thing. I think Balt will use the non exclusive tag which is about 30mil. It would be interesting to see what other teams value jackson at. The watson deal was really a team killing deal. The money is one thing, but all the draft capital they gave up was just absurd. I can't picture other teams following suit with those kind of deals
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That draft capital is worth about 10 years set back. Imagine the potential players that could have been had.

I know it’s Cleveland, but still costly as hell.

Look what the BUSH cost us and the set-back we have endured and that was small potatoes in comparison.


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steelcan58 said:
The cap is derived mainly from TV money that's split evenly.

Streaming services won't take over from networks until they become more mainstream. I'd say that's still a fair distance away.
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You’re probably right but it’s “PAY-PER-VIEW” that is going to become the normal. Either full seasons per team or buy the single game cost……. It’s coming.


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Drink IRON City said:
You’re probably right but it’s “PAY-PER-VIEW” that is going to become the normal. Either full seasons per team or buy the single game cost……. It’s coming.


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I don't think pay-per-view will gain the traction it needs to be main stream. TV money is the bread and butter of the NFL. As long as advertising can be sold at the rate it is, I don't think the NFL will mess with the winning formula and risk losing fans. Once fans walk away there's a chance they never come back.
 
steelcan58 said:
I don't think pay-per-view will gain the traction it needs to be main stream. TV money is the bread and butter of the NFL. As long as advertising can be sold at the rate it is, I don't think the NFL will mess with the winning formula and risk losing fans. Once fans walk away there's a chance they never come back.
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I should have expounded some. I meant it will become a part of the market, not the entire market.


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Drink IRON City said:
I should have expounded some. I meant it will become a part of the market, not the entire market.


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I agree. Pay per view and streaming will be used to enhance the market but will not take over the market.
 
steelcan58 said:
I don't think pay-per-view will gain the traction it needs to be main stream. TV money is the bread and butter of the NFL. As long as advertising can be sold at the rate it is, I don't think the NFL will mess with the winning formula and risk losing fans. Once fans walk away there's a chance they never come back.
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Once, in the heyday of this great nation, Boxing, baseball, and horse racing were all the most popular sports with huge revenues… only baseball really has any real interest and it is definitely a sport in recession…
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Yeah Canada sucks but he didn’t tell lil Kenny to run outside the pocket leaving his protection and then to slam his head into the ground…his play calls suck and I can’t stand him but pretty sure even moron Canada didn’t draw that up

KP receives concussions from the ground, poor helmet choice, leaving protection of the pocket and not knowing how to fall…and he may be a little soft skulled/fragile too..all Kenny issues

He’ll have a very short career of he can’t figure out some of HIS issues
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"Leaving his protection"? What the hell are you talking about? Pickett deftly escapes one Raven defender who was basically unblocked straight up the middle, then he doesn't even have time to regain his balance as he scrambles to his right before getting thrown on his head by another guy they forgot to block. But, yeah, it's his fault. Shame on you, Kenny, for receiving that concussion from the ground.

 
skialta said:
Some of you guys are wondering how much is going to cost to sign him after the rookie deal.

Meanwhile I'm just over here waiting for a multiple touchdown game.
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I agree that it's a bit premature to start worrying about what Pickett's next contract is going to look like; however, you didn't have to wait at all for a multiple touchdown game from him -- he had two rushing touchdowns in his very first appearance.
 
madinsomniac said:
Daniel jones… tge QB the Giants nearly traded to start over last year just got 40 million a year for 4 years…
Saquon Barkley, who was rumored to be getting shopped for a fourth or fifth last year, just got franchise tagged…
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That really sums up and confirms the value teams place on each of those positions..
Cap is all about positional financial management.
 
skialta said:
Some of you guys are wondering how much is going to cost to sign him after the rookie deal.

Meanwhile I'm just over here waiting for a multiple touchdown game.
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Right, why waste time worrying about re-signing Pickett? We don't even know if he's any good yet. We've got 2 more years before we worry about that, since he signed for 4.
If he lights it up, he'll get paid a lot and deserve it. He hasn't even had a great game yet.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Then you’re probably a bad fit for a gm as the teams hoisting Lombardis don’t seem to mind paying a good QB

50-60 million per year is just the share of the cap the most important position commands these days

It is what it is…and we don’t have to pay any QB bills so who really cares about the fake money anyways
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I'm sorry, but I think if you build a hell of an OL, provide some really good support in RB and WR's, I think you could do quite well not having that franchise guys that requires such a huge percentage of your cap. Look what the 9ers did with Brock Purdy! If you build an above average D, and a superior OL, your QB can go a long way if your OC designs the offense to his strengths!
 
Back in the day the draft pick got way too much money compared to a low drafted really good low drafted veteran. Now it's swung too far. When WJ3 is paid in tge vicinity of Pickett and Harris combined to stand on the sidelines and watch 8 games.
 
alancac98 said:
I'm sorry, but I think if you build a hell of an OL, provide some really good support in RB and WR's, I think you could do quite well not having that franchise guys that requires such a huge percentage of your cap. Look what the 9ers did with Brock Purdy! If you build an above average D, and a superior OL, your QB can go a long way if your OC designs the offense to his strengths!
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I don't know, there's a reason system QBs seldom win SBs or even get to play it. Then these above avg QBs get crazy money like Prescott, Tannehill, Cousins. Then if you don't re-sign them you gotta start over again until you find a decent QB for the system. If Purdy keeps his play he will get a Cousins kind of deal, then what? Start over or pay the guy ?
 
Litos said:
I don't know, there's a reason system QBs seldom win SBs or even get to play it. Then these above avg QBs get crazy money like Prescott, Tannehill, Cousins. Then if you don't re-sign them you gotta start over again until you find a decent QB for the system. If Purdy keeps his play he will get a Cousins kind of deal, then what? Start over or pay the guy ?
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The thing is that most of these elite QBs that win Super Bowls do it when they have relatively low contracts. Very few end up winning once they start earning the big bucks.

I think there are a lot more very good QBs out there than people realize if you surround them with talent and an OC who has a good system.
 
alancac98 said:
I'm sorry, but I think if you build a hell of an OL, provide some really good support in RB and WR's, I think you could do quite well not having that franchise guys that requires such a huge percentage of your cap. Look what the 9ers did with Brock Purdy! If you build an above average D, and a superior OL, your QB can go a long way if your OC designs the offense to his strengths!
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I totally agree with this, but the problem is this. Brock Purdy plays 3 more year and then despite the fact that he is not the reason they are winning he expects to get paid like he is and then all those good players disappear. I think if Baltimore lets Jackson walk and takes the two first rounders it will be an interesting experiment. I don't think you could win a Championship with Lamar Jackson. Clearly the media disagrees.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Yeah Canada sucks but he didn’t tell lil Kenny to run outside the pocket leaving his protection and then to slam his head into the ground…his play calls suck and I can’t stand him but pretty sure even moron Canada didn’t draw that up

KP receives concussions from the ground, poor helmet choice, leaving protection of the pocket and not knowing how to fall…and he may be a little soft skulled/fragile too..all Kenny issues

He’ll have a very short career of he can’t figure out some of HIS issues
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i'm not buyin the concussions are Kenny's fault. i don't think Kenny is getting f*cked because he chose the wrong helmet or he 'doesn't know how to fall'.

Tell me how Kenny often leaves the pocket when he doesn't have to. Or that this isn't solely Matt Canada's fault.

 
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steelreeling said:
i'm not buyin the concussions are Kenny's fault. i don't think Kenny is getting f*cked because he chose the wrong helmet or he 'doesn't know how to fall'.

Tell me how Kenny often leaves the pocket when he doesn't have to. Or that this isn't solely Matt Canada's fault.
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How is this not Pickett standing tall with a pair of steel balls while staring down the barrel of a gun several times?

The hellacious hits Canada put on him for these POS playcalls. incredible.

 
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