I dont even wanna know what Kenny will cost to sign.

[Fiji Mariner]

I'm sorry, but I think if you build a hell of an OL, provide some really good support in RB and WR's, I think you could do quite well not having that franchise guys that requires such a huge percentage of your cap. Look what the 9ers did with Brock Purdy! If you build an above average D, and a superior OL, your QB can go a long way if your OC designs the offense to his strengths!

There have been a couple of instances-the anomalies.

The 49ers did exactly what we did-not win the most meaningful game. They also did what most teams lacking “the guy” did which is not win a SB.

Literally pinning all your hopes on having a stud team built up and ready to go, then drop a rookie contract QB in and hope is just not a frequently winning formula compared to the the tried and true having a great player at the most important position. Hoping for Purdy in the 7th an even more ridiculous strategy.

I’ll stick with the theory that a great QB can cover a lot of warts and win the SB despite not having everything built perfectly around him.

And you know damn well that model would never work for a coach that doesn’t believe in drafting OL in the first place.

 

[stillwright]

The problem is EXACTLY what you are saying: we don't even know what Kenny is yet. He threw a few good passes that were reminiscent of Ben throwing while scrambling and the whole Jockocracy on the sports media outlets were saying he's the guy in Pittsburgh. The sports media suffer from the same problem cable tv when CNN was born had/has: gotta feed that beast 24/7. The internet has only made it worse (specifically you tube) with everyone and his dog an expert now just because they started a Steelers themed channel.

I called the season at 8-9 on social media during training camp and I was called crazy....they were going to "make it to the AFCC game" ..... And they believed that because all these younger fans(for the most part younger) are egged on by " Fake Sports News." So, we don't know what Kenny is yet. I hope he is the second coming of Joe Montana, but we have to reserve judgement for now. To quote a famous press conference coach " We need a bigger body of work from him."

Make it to the Championship game? Really? I didn't hear one person say that. Not one.

 

[Gildong Sack]

Make it to the Championship game? Really? I didn't hear one person say that. Not one.

Facebook and You tube, not here.

 

[MTC]

Facebook and You tube, not here.

Lol

 

[SteelerSask2]

There have been a couple of instances-the anomalies.

The 49ers did exactly what we did-not win the most meaningful game. They also did what most teams lacking “the guy” did which is not win a SB.

Literally pinning all your hopes on having a stud team built up and ready to go, then drop a rookie contract QB in and hope is just not a frequently winning formula compared to the the tried and true having a great player at the most important position. Hoping for Purdy in the 7th an even more ridiculous strategy.

I’ll stick with the theory that a great QB can cover a lot of warts and win the SB despite not having everything built perfectly around him.

And you know damn well that model would never work for a coach that doesn’t believe in drafting OL in the first place.

Here is the thing though. There is a first qb off the board every year. Steelers got one last year. The guy you are talking about is a couple times a decade. Maybe.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Here is the thing though. There is a first qb off the board every year. Steelers got one last year. The guy you are talking about is a couple times a decade. Maybe.

The ELITE quarterbacks - are few and far between. (The media and fan base want to anoint nearly every QB this status even though the QB isn’t so)

Upper level quarterbacks - are more common but still illusive, maybe 10 currently in the nfl.

Middle level quarterbacks - are the bulk of the QBs and common draft picks.

Kenny Pickett isn’t “ELITE” or ”Upper” level yet, he has a little more to show before getting there. If you listen to the media & fan base, he is all world and the next Joe Montana.

Time will tell and I’m obviously rooting / hoping like hell Kenny keeps progressing up the ladder.


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[Coach]

Sounds like Carr is 4 years 150 /100 guarenteed to the Saints. Like it's sooooo stupid. Carr is mid. He's never won F'all. God these people are stupid. They better win soon cause if Kenny is good it's just gonna be stupid.

Pickett is trending like a disappointment . He looked like a mid range low passing yardage " game manger " type who did okay with a defense leading the NFL in interceptions helping him out big time. But without that? What if we were middle of the road in turnovers? He did not throw many TD passes. He will have to prove a lot before his contact is up. Thankfully he is not up for a new deal soon. It's too early to call him a bust, but it's clear he is not a franchise QB.

 

[ianv2012]

Pickett is trending like a disappointment . He looked like a mid range low passing yardage " game manger " type who did okay with a defense leading the NFL in interceptions helping him out big time. But without that? What if we were middle of the road in turnovers? He did not throw many TD passes. He will have to prove a lot before his contact is up. Thankfully he is not up for a new deal soon. It's too early to call him a bust, but it's clear he is not a franchise QB.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than it is to speak and to remove all doubt.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Here is the thing though. There is a first qb off the board every year. Steelers got one last year. The guy you are talking about is a couple times a decade. Maybe.

The guy I’m talking about happens on average about 2 times a year/draft.

We were simply debating resigning a QB (is a guy worth QB money) vs dropping in a rookie every 4 years

I simply said I’d pay a solid/good viable starter over tryna drop a rookie into the most important position over and over and the math proves my point

 

[Drink IRON City]

The guy I’m talking about happens on average about 2 times a year/draft.

We were simply debating resigning a QB (is a guy worth QB money) vs dropping in a rookie every 4 years

I simply said I’d pay a solid/good viable starter over tryna drop a rookie into the most important position over and over and the math proves my point

The STEELERS nev er get to draft top 10, due to Mr. “Non-losing” season.

The teams that do draft top ten have a better chance, but at 20, Pickett‘s jury is still out. This year he should be better defined with a built in excuse of OC being the worst in current football.


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[SteelerSask2]

Pickett is trending like a disappointment . He looked like a mid range low passing yardage " game manger " type who did okay with a defense leading the NFL in interceptions helping him out big time. But without that? What if we were middle of the road in turnovers? He did not throw many TD passes. He will have to prove a lot before his contact is up. Thankfully he is not up for a new deal soon. It's too early to call him a bust, but it's clear he is not a franchise QB.

You are ****** idiot. He had two shackles. The line and the OC. When the line got better everything got better. Why they kept the OC is beyond me. It's doubtful he is franchise. Just because that is statistically improbable. Anything else is dumb speculation.

 

[SteelerSask2]

The guy I’m talking about happens on average about 2 times a year/draft.

We were simply debating resigning a QB (is a guy worth QB money) vs dropping in a rookie every 4 years

I simply said I’d pay a solid/good viable starter over tryna drop a rookie into the most important position over and over and the math proves my point

To me you used the words a qb that covers the warts and win a SB despite not having all the parts around him.

 

[TDX27]

Pickett isn't trending anywhere yet. He played a good bit as a rookie. We won't truly know what we have in him until after year 3. You would hope to see significant improvement heading into and throughout year 2 now that he will have an actual offseason to work on things and he will be taking all or almost all reps with the No. 1's. We have a ways to go until we can label KP anything. He did improve as a rookie with a below-average OL and a terrible OC. So, we have that but nothing else yet.

 

[SteelerSask2]

My only real concern with Pickett was the inability to score inside the twenty, but that was the same with Roethlisberger in the first half of games and Trubu. Hmmmm wonder what the connection is there.

 

[TDX27]

My only real concern with Pickett was the inability to score inside the twenty, but that was the same with Roethlisberger in the first half of games and Trubu. Hmmmm wonder what the connection is there.

A lot of play calling. You can probably count on one hand the number of times they targetted Pickens all season in the RZ and the same goes for Muuth.

 

[Coach]

You are ****** idiot. He had two shackles. The line and the OC. When the line got better everything got better. Why they kept the OC is beyond me. It's doubtful he is franchise. Just because that is statistically improbable. Anything else is dumb speculation.

No he not a franchise QB. That would be Lawrence and Herbert, both of whom started with way less. He may not even be a QB who finishes his first contact as the starter. Why did the Steelers keep Canada? Oh, I know why. His boss is Tomlin. Fool.

 

[slashsteel]

No he not a franchise QB. That would be Lawrence and Herbert, both of whom started with way less. He may not even be a QB who finishes his first contact as the starter. Why did the Steelers keep Canada? Oh, I know why. His boss is Tomlin. Fool.

He is right you are an idiot. No the Steelers won't be drafting a RB or QB high in the draft. I now return you to your drool invested agenda.

 

[SteelerSask2]

No he not a franchise QB. That would be Lawrence and Herbert, both of whom started with way less. He may not even be a QB who finishes his first contact as the starter. Why did the Steelers keep Canada? Oh, I know why. His boss is Tomlin. Fool.

Herbert was a bit of a steal his draft year. He could develop into a top tier guy. Lawrence wast most touted guy in a decade. If he is not a top tier guy he is a bust. I believe Pickett will get better in Red Zone if OC isn't an anchor and then he will be every bit as good as Lawrence. P. S. I try not to pile on you but I can clearly see now why others do.

 

[madinsomniac]

No he not a franchise QB. That would be Lawrence and Herbert, both of whom started with way less. He may not even be a QB who finishes his first contact as the starter. Why did the Steelers keep Canada? Oh, I know why. His boss is Tomlin. Fool.

There is absolutely no correlation between what any rookie QB does in his rookie season and any subsequent success or failure down tge road… none… i can pull you up the 20 best rookie qb season and you will find guys who were great, guys who ended up just ok, career backups, and total busts… most of the best seasons as a rookie never won a Super Bowl…conversely many of the absolute best qbs had bad or meh rookie results and many never even saw the field

So if you or anyone here want to say Pickett is “trending” in any direction… well thats just stupid speculation with no facts at all worth a damn backing it up…

As for anyone being a true franchisee qb… we won’t know till year four or five or so… some guys like Ben you know right away… other guys like Rodgers or Brees it takes years to figure out what they really are.

People were ready to crown Mac Jones a franchise Qb right out of the gate and now he is fighting for his job in year 3…
There is probably only one proven surefire Franchise QB that isn’t about to retire in the league right now… Mahomes… Watson was looking like he might be one before he missed almost two years with legal troubles… Burrow and herbert look like they may be that kind of player but its even too early with them to really know for certain… plenty of guys had a great start to a career then fell back in their second contract..


So to recap.. too early to tell either way…

 

[slashsteel]

There is absolutely no correlation between what any rookie QB does in his rookie season and any subsequent success or failure down tge road… none… i can pull you up the 20 best rookie qb season and you will find guys who were great, guys who ended up just ok, career backups, and total busts… most of the best seasons as a rookie never won a Super Bowl…conversely many of the absolute best qbs had bad or meh rookie results and many never even saw the field

So if you or anyone here want to say Pickett is “trending” in any direction… well thats just stupid speculation with no facts at all worth a damn backing it up…

As for anyone being a true franchisee qb… we won’t know till year four or five or so… some guys like Ben you know right away… other guys like Rodgers or Brees it takes years to figure out what they really are.

People were ready to crown Mac Jones a franchise Qb right out of the gate and now he is fighting for his job in year 3…
There is probably only one proven surefire Franchise QB that isn’t about to retire in the league right now… Mahomes… Watson was looking like he might be one before he missed almost two years with legal troubles… Burrow and herbert look like they may be that kind of player but its even too early with them to really know for certain… plenty of guys had a great start to a career then fell back in their second contract..


So to recap.. too early to tell either way…

He has been shown this on multiple occasions. Cooch retains nothing and keeps the same head scratching opinions no matter what he is presented with.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Pickett isn't trending anywhere yet. He played a good bit as a rookie. We won't truly know what we have in him until after year 3. You would hope to see significant improvement heading into and throughout year 2 now that he will have an actual offseason to work on things and he will be taking all or almost all reps with the No. 1's. We have a ways to go until we can label KP anything. He did improve as a rookie with a below-average OL and a terrible OC. So, we have that but nothing else yet.

Agree, and great post.

Kenny is showing to the good side of the meter. I thin k he continues but that is directly proportionate to how much the FO invests into the offensive line. We need a high investment starting left tackle, one can be had in the draft but they may have handcuffed themselves by letting Sutton walk.


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[Drink IRON City]

A lot of play calling. You can probably count on one hand the number of times they targetted Pickens all season in the RZ and the same goes for Muuth.

And some here think it was a good idea to keep O’Canada.!!


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