I figured out what I was feeling about all this

[MT~Forged]

Drafting is hard. a lot of teams picks dont work out. is it "coaching"?

I believe it is to an extent. The Coach should have the ability to recognize where a player SHOULD play and then get the best from the majority of players. Sure, with the influx of children whom have not even had time to mature from teenagers, you will get behavioral issues, that is the risk of drafting them.

 

[MT~Forged]

Agreed, sort of. Art 2, Tomlin. Not sure adult is the word that I would use.

They are Adults, just choose to prioritize different aspects.

 

[Confluence]

I believe it is to an extent. The Coach should have the ability to recognize where a player SHOULD play and then get the best from the majority of players. Sure, with the influx of children whom have not even had time to mature from teenagers, you will get behavioral issues, that is the risk of drafting them.

While there are clear failures of Tomlin's ability to coach up some players, I am unaware of instances where he has been successful.

He babysat headcase AB; other than that achievement, who are the players that have clearly been bettered by Tomlin's coaching?

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Art absolutely needs to allow Omar and Andy to be the main folks in charge of player personnel and not Tomlin.
Tomlin can have his input as a HC should but that’s it. It’s then completely up to Omar and Andy to build this football team.
I’ll add one other thing. Art should be very cautious about extending Tomlin in the summer.
He has one season left in 24 and an option in 25 if the Steelers pick it up.
Why not hold off on the extension, see what 24 brings and if Tomlin has success in 24 pick up the option and give him the extension in 25.
I don’t see it as having to be a hurry up move.
If the team tanks in 24 under Russ then it’s time to clean up the coaching from Tomlin on down.
Just my thoughts on it.

Gotta think Khan wants to get some input on a coach
He’s sure putting some fingerprints on the roster and clearing up the bad knee (QB room) with some arthroscopic surgery

 

[diver]

I've axed this question many times in this forum - 'what does HCMT bring to the table?'. Crickets. Seriously. Anything? Anything at all?

He inherited a Super Bowl roster with the best defense and decent offense led by an actual franchise QB. He won ONE Lombardi that could have been won with anyone standing on the sideline. Anyone at all. If the Steelers had a decent coach against an entirely depleted Packers secondary, that would have been another Lombardi. We've seen 16 years of mediocrity, nothing more. We've witnessed the destruction of a 'storied' franchise and its brand. We've watched a lot of talent wasted by a HC that doesn't understand his responsibility to develop that investment into returns. He apparently doesn't scheme. Doesn't adjust. Clearly doesn't understand Xs & Os., and evidently isn't interested in learning. It is NEVER going to change. In what lapse of reason would you extend this poser?

Artie, show us that Rooney blood courses your circulation system. Shop the poser for picks. Be a man. G'head.

What a crock of shiit. Complete and total speculation. We KNOW Tomlin won it. End of discussion.

They threw the ball 40 times against the Packers. Overall, they were running for over 5 yards a carry. Maybe he should have run the ball more.

NFL films recently released a little segment on the myth of halftime adjustments with Peyton Manning. I always maintained that adjustments argument is way overused. Well, it ain't just me saying that. I don't know anything, but I would think Peyton Manning does.

Look, I wouldn't extend him either. But some of the arguments just aggravate me.

 

[GMC]

NFL films recently released a little segment on the myth of halftime adjustments with Peyton Manning. I always maintained that adjustments argument is way overused. Well, it ain't just me saying that. I don't know anything, but I would think Peyton Manning does.

What does halftime have to do with it? You honestly believe NFL games are completely scripted and teams do not deviate at all from their plan?

 

[Steel Reign]

- Connor Heyward - More Shades "brother drafting." A major fail.

Nice post. This is the only one I am not too sure on. Feels like when they "go" to Connor he makes some nice plays. However, they just don't go to him much. This year will be a true measurement for him since his TE/FB hybrid persona SHOULD be a strong fit for Smith's offense. If he doesn't show this year than, yeah, your comment here will turn out to be true. Just hoping it isn't.

 

[Steelr4evr]

They are Adults, just choose to prioritize different aspects.

The average age of the soldiers that hit Normandy in WWII was 22 years old.

In Vietnam it was 19 years old.

 

[diver]

What does halftime have to do with it? You honestly believe NFL games are completely scripted and teams do not deviate at all from their plan?

Look, I used halftime as an example about adjustments. I am sure adjustments are made on the sideline and such. It was just me making an observation about something I saw more than anything. But whether a team makes adjustments or doesn't, we have no damn idea. They play better...oh, they must have adjusted! They don't...damn coach doesn't adjust. It's just bullshiit.

The Steelers went 10-7 last year. They had some comebacks and won games late. Does Tomlin get any credit for "adjustments?" If not, what was it then? I've always contended that it more the players playing better and making plays. But I don't get all bunched up about adjustments. What do you say?

 

[MT~Forged]

While there are clear failures of Tomlin's ability to coach up some players, I am unaware of instances where he has been successful.

I made no such claim to instances of his success.

He babysat headcase AB; other than that achievement, who are the players that have clearly been bettered by Tomlin's coaching?

See above. I simply said that a Coach should be able to do that, not that Tomlin has. My guess you are replying to the wrong post.

 

[GMC]

Look, I used halftime as an example about adjustments. I am sure adjustments are made on the sideline and such. It was just me making an observation about something I saw more than anything. But whether a team makes adjustments or doesn't, we have no damn idea. They play better...oh, they must have adjusted! They don't...damn coach doesn't adjust. It's just bullshiit.

The Steelers went 10-7 last year. They had some comebacks and won games late. Does Tomlin get any credit for "adjustments?" If not, what was it then? I've always contended that it more the players playing better and making plays. But I don't get all bunched up about adjustments. What do you say?

I didn't say anything about Tomlin, nor did I quote any of your ramblings about him in my post. I simply asked if you actually believed Manning's assessment meant that NFL teams don't make in game adjustments. Maybe he's right that they don't sit around at halftime and do it, but to say they don't at all is bullshit, anyone that watches the games can see otherwise. I mean why else would they have tablets on the sideline?

 

[MT~Forged]

The average age of the soldiers that hit Normandy in WWII was 22 years old.

In Vietnam it was 19 years old.

You will never be able to make the case that people those ages TODAY, would ever be able to handle the same situations, at the same age.

Also I was talking about the HC and previous GM, not the players.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

I believe it is to an extent. The Coach should have the ability to recognize where a player SHOULD play and then get the best from the majority of players. Sure, with the influx of children whom have not even had time to mature from teenagers, you will get behavioral issues, that is the risk of drafting them.

Plus, it's the day and age we live in. So many factors shield kids from having to grow up these days.

 

[diver]

I didn't say anything about Tomlin, nor did I quote any of your ramblings about him in my post. I simply asked if you actually believed Manning's assessment meant that NFL teams don't make in game adjustments. Maybe he's right that they don't sit around at halftime and do it, but to say they don't at all is bullshit, anyone that watches the games can see otherwise. I mean why else would they have tablets on the sideline?

You didn't say anything about Tomlin? What was that I read about a head coach that wastes talent and something about extending this "poser?"

Now I never said they don't adjust at all. That is the truth. I do think it is an overused argument against any coach. Not because they do or don't adjust, but because we have no damn idea. Please tell me how you can tell, with certainty, if they adjust or not or if it's just the players playing better? Hell, I've seen games in which a team is always looking at tablets, and they are getting their ***** kicked. Maybe they are watching Netflix.

 

[diver]

I didn't say anything about Tomlin, nor did I quote any of your ramblings about him in my post. I simply asked if you actually believed Manning's assessment meant that NFL teams don't make in game adjustments. Maybe he's right that they don't sit around at halftime and do it, but to say they don't at all is bullshit, anyone that watches the games can see otherwise. I mean why else would they have tablets on the sideline?

Well, hell, you're right. You didn't say anything about Tomlin. It was someone else. My apologies. I don't think I was rambling, though.

 

[GMC]

You didn't say anything about Tomlin? What was that I read about a head coach that wastes talent and something about extending this "poser?"

Now I never said they don't adjust at all. That is the truth. I do think it is an overused argument against any coach. Not because they do or don't adjust, but because we have no damn idea. Please tell me how you can tell, with certainty, if they adjust or not or if it's just the players playing better? Hell, I've seen games in which a team is always looking at tablets, and they are getting their ***** kicked. Maybe they are watching Netflix.

You've got me confused.
How about Jerome showing Willie to bounce a play outside the next time the defense showed a look, just prior to the longest run in SB history? It's not always huge changes. I will say our DCs have been frustrating slow to adjust in our last 4 or 5 playoff games. That's one of my biggest frustrations with the staff.

 

[Drink IRON City]

When a person does the wrong things with their health - horrible diet, no exercise, smoking, etc. - for 10-15 years, even though they started as a very healthy person, their health continues to crash. But, they lie to themselves, surround themselves with those who will lie with them, and the health continues to crash.

So, eventually it gets so bad that they can't function well, and the new doctor is ordered in. Emergency surgery is needed, and it is drastic, harsh, everyone notices, and many wonder if the patient will live through it.

That's what we are seeing. The prognosis depends on the new patterns and habits of the patient. Let's hope this one returns to the ways of old, where real football decisions were made. And the viruses are killed off, the amputations are done, and the cardio is brought back. Veggies and water, not ice cream and soda.

Or PoPcorn and cut eye-lids………………


Salute the nation

 

[Drink IRON City]

This may have made sense 2 months ago but how do you apply it today

Paddles

“clear”


Salute the nation

 

[diver]

You've got me confused.
How about Jerome showing Willie to bounce a play outside the next time the defense showed a look, just prior to the longest run in SB history? It's not always huge changes. I will say our DCs have been frustrating slow to adjust in our last 4 or 5 playoff games. That's one of my biggest frustrations with the staff.

Heh...the last 4 or 5 playoff games? In a round about way it kinda makes my point. How does anyone adjust what they put out there? It's like trying to polish a turd.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Gotta think Khan wants to get some input on a coach
He’s sure putting some fingerprints on the roster and clearing up the bad knee (QB room) with some arthroscopic surgery

I actually thin k behind closed doors, Tomlin’s “stale” has been addressed and backed by Rooney.

Until Coach Tomlin is gone, I’m afraid the eye lids will continue to be cut.


Salute the nation

 

[Confluence]

I made no such claim to instances of his success.

See above. I simply said that a Coach should be able to do that, not that Tomlin has. My guess you are replying to the wrong post.

My post was supportive of yours; sorry I didn't clarify better.

 

[GMC]

Heh...the last 4 or 5 playoff games? In a round about way it kinda makes my point. How does anyone adjust what they put out there? It's like trying to polish a turd.

You're right, teams never adjust. You and Peyton said so. What a waste of time.

 

[Steelr4evr]

You will never be able to make the case that people those ages TODAY, would ever be able to handle the same situations, at the same age.

Also I was talking about the HC and previous GM, not the players.

I was just putting it into correlation between men risking everything to spoiled coddled millionaires with fragile overinflated egos over playing a meaningless game.

 

[MT~Forged]

I was just putting it into correlation between men risking everything to spoiled coddled millionaires with fragile overinflated egos over playing a meaningless game.

Didn’t catch that correlation, that is what makes posts on a bulletin board so hard to get the true meaning of replies.

 

[xjx]

I think we can give some credit to Tomlin on player development. When Dupree was ineffective from the left side he had him switch sides with TJ. Highsmith arrived with athletic gifts, but he didn't have a spin move till he learned it here. It took him about a year. Those are two I can think of.