While all these stats are great, how many other developed countries have people walk into schools and start killing kids / teachers etc etc. ?
Most of them.
France: Nice truck attack, 2015 Muslim attacks. Total for those two - more than 200 dead.
Russia: Beslan school hostage crisis, 385 killed. Kerch Polytechnic College massacre in 2018, 20 students/teachers killed.
Norway: 2011 Norway school attacks, 77 killed.
Scotland: Dunblane school massacre, 16 students and 1 teacher killed.
England: Cumbria shootings in 2010 when gunman Derrick Bird, killed 12 people.
Australia: Port Arthur Massacre in 1996, gunman killed 35 people and wounded 23.
Canada: École Polytechnique massacre, shooter killed 14 and injured 14 in school shooting.
Israel: Ma'alot massacre, 31 killed, 70 injured.
Germany: 2002 Erfurt school massacre, 16 killed, 1 injured.
Germany: 2009 Winnenden school shooting, 15 killed, 9 injured.
China: 2006 Shiguan kindergarten attack, 12 killed, 5 injured.
The question is if you guys had a child killed in a school shooting how would you feel?
How do you think I would feel? Seriously, do you believe any of us who post on this forum would feel good about our kids being murdered in school by some ******* maniac?? What you are doing is illogical and known as an appeal to emotion.
But let me answer the question: I would give anything to save my kids. Anything. I would kill to protect my wife and kids; I would die to protect my wife and kids. And I would hope that a good guy with a gun was nearby to stop the bad guy with a gun.
I think tougher gun laws would help in some instances. How many times have these shooters have several red flags that were ignored? Are things like high capacity mags, silencers, bump stocks, etc etc needed? If this stuff was banned i would not care at all. I used to hunt, and i own an SKS with a 30 round mag. Sure it is fun to go out anns blast targets, but it does not make me feel safer and it certainly isn't going to protect me from trained military. It is nothing more than a toy to me.
You string together, in Joyce-like fashion, a series of thoughts that are not really even related. In particular, what gun control law would have stopped any of the shootings I listed above, or any mass school shooting in the United States? Seriously, what law would have prevented those mass murders?
Also, bans on "high-capacity" magazines are a myth. How many "high-capacity" magazines are already out there? Millions ... tens of millions ... likely, hundreds of millions. By-the-by, you know what the sphincter-shriveled states call a "high-capacity magazine"?? More than 10 rounds. Know what comes with almost every semi-auto handgun currently manufactured? 15-round magazines. Glock, Walther, Heckler & Koch, Smith & Wesson, Sig Sauer, all 15 round magazines, standard issue.
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/glock-magazine-gen-4-glock-19-9mm-luger-15-round-polymer-black.html
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-VP9-SK-Magazines-Parts-c547.htm
https://shop.waltherarms.com/pistol-magazines
https://www.gunclips.net/smwe59se9mm1.html
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/brands/sig-sauer/9mm-luger
The 1911 is the only 9mm that comes with a factory standard magazine of 10 rounds or less. You want to know what happens when you place the 10-round limit on magazines? Buyers generally have to go with the subcompact for the best selling 9mm guns - Glock, Walther, HK, S&W, Sig Sauer. Subcompacts, much, much easier to conceal. Indeed, that is pretty much the point for subcompacts - concealed carry. You want that?
Oh, okay, you want the guns to be difficult to conceal, but still have 10-round limits. Want to know what that means? .45's are going to be the weapon of choice - Glock 21, Sig Sauer P220, Smith & Wesson 1911, Heckler & Koch HK45. Hey, 7 to 10 round magazines!! Success!! Except now you have us carrying hand cannons. You are kept awake worrying about those 15-round magazines? Wait until you see what happens when you force Americans to buy concealed-carry designed weapons, and .45's that tear a hole in people that cannot be fixed. Those numbers above with "x" injured? That number will not be much of an issue any more, since a .45 kills what it hits.
Jitter77 said:
I used to hunt, and i own an SKS with a 30 round mag. Sure it is fun to go out anns blast targets, but it does not make me feel safer and it certainly isn't going to protect me from trained military. It is nothing more than a toy to me.
Two points ... if and when you need protection from trained military, then magazine capacity will be about 1,235,814 of things you have to worry about. Second, being allowed to have a "high capacity" magazine does not REQUIRE you have to have it, though I must point out that it is a bit odd that you suggest banning a magazine you currently have.
Finally, mass school shootings, mass murder, murder in general are the product of dangerous, ******-up people. Humans have been killing each other since before time was recorded. For crying out loud, the bible tells of the murder at the very beginning of our time on earth. The question is, "What do we do? What works and doesn't work?"
What works is a good guy with a gun.
On Monday morning, Thomas Richard Cowan loaded 13 bullets into
two handguns [hey, no "high-capacity" magazines!! Feel safer?], left his German shepherd chained to the fence and drove eight miles from his home in Kingsport to Sullivan Central High School. Whatever his mission, it was the 62-year-old Vietnam veteran’s final drive. Cowan trained a .380-caliber semi-automatic pistol at Riden’s face, said Sullivan County Sheriff Wayne Anderson.
Carolyn Gudger, the school resource officer, drew her gun, then shielded the principal’s body with her own.
One hundred and twenty seconds after Cowan drew his gun, two deputies, Lt. Steve Williams and Sam Matney, arrived. They entered through separate doors and met Cowan and Gudger –
still in a moving standoff – as they reached a science pod behind the cafeteria. Cowan wavered; he jerked his gun from Gudger to the other deputies then back again. The three officers told him, again, to drop his weapon. He wouldn’t.
So they opened fire. Some students counted five shots, others counted six. Anderson would not say how many rounds hit the gunman. Cowan fell to the ground, his shoes just feet from door to the library full of teenagers. The pistol in his hand had seven bullets in the magazine and another in the chamber. He had a second handgun in his back pocket, loaded with five rounds.
https://www.heraldcourier.com/news/article_35434f30-00d3-522f-98f1-58f372591713.html
9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ss-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit
The only way to stop a psychopath with a gun is to confront him with a good guy with a gun. Gun control laws, limits on magazine capacity, etc. simply don't do the trick.
