Issue with Tomlin teams recently but it could go back further.

[Steelersfan84]

I used to never think this way,but i fully expect the Steelers to lose when they play bad teams or low win count teams.

How did I get here?

If you repeat a trend over and over it defines you.

It is absolutely deflating as a fan to see the same things repeat themselves over and over again.

This script sucks.

Tell Rooney to do the right thing for his franchise. Admit you were wrong and fire the idiot.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Tell Rooney to do the right thing for his franchise. Admit you were wrong and fire the idiot.

I don't think he likes change at all. So things will stay consistently the same.Which is neither forward or backward.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Tomlin has never secured HFA in 18 years with multiple loaded teams. Thursday night gives many indications why. He lost to two 2-10 teams last season and this season made Jameis and the 2-8 Browns look like World Beaters.

Unfortunately, this is not a democracy so called. We can't vote him out for tired, uninspiring leadership and SCOTUS appointments are for life or until he decides to leave.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I believe you’re right about that stat.

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

while I agree with several of the OP’s assessments I’ve gotta just set a contrarian view out there too cuz that’s what makes the boards great

Weren’t the Stains 0 for on 3rd down conversions til late in the game and finished 1-10 so add in the 4-4 on fourth and that gets 5-14 or 35.7% conversion rate

On the flip side the Steelers went 7-16 on 3rd and 1-3 on 4th for 8-19 or 42.1%

Maybe our D is forcing teams into a consistent plan of four down territory because they excel on 1st-3rd down defense? Maybe the D is better than being given credit for by the OP.

Going into the game we had a top 5 record in the league and a top 5 point differential as well, maybe we aren’t so bad? Maybe

Maybe it just sucks to watch a **** game plan unfold vs a rival we should beat. But c’mon most of this saw this coming as the Stains have played us well at home recently, we suck in Thursday night and this was their SB. The trap was set and we just fell in the pit that’s why the sky looks like it’s falling….maybe

Given the fourth downs follow third downs on the same set of downs I would call it:

Cleveland 5-10 and 50%
Steelers 8-16 also 50%.

A stop on third down doesn't mean much, if the opponent decides to go for it and converts on 4th down.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Given the fourth downs follow third downs on the same set of downs I would call it:

Cleveland 5-10 and 50%
Steelers 8-16 also 50%.

A stop on third down doesn't mean much, if the opponent decides to go for it and converts on 4th down.

I like that angle of looking at it that way

Was just showing they were pretty solid in some aspects, unfortunately Stefanski outcoaches Tomlin again by implementing the nothing to lose it’s all 4 down territory strategy

Tomlin steps up to the pissing contest and tries going on 4ths as well but just repeatedly pisses down his leg and loses the pissing contest…**** Tomlin couldn’t even beat Stefanski’s backup in a coaching contest recently. It’s quite sad that a couple of these clunkers are “the standard” and to be expected every damn year.

 

[Djfan]

When is Rooney turning over the reigns?

 

[Steelr4evr]

Given the fourth downs follow third downs on the same set of downs I would call it:

Cleveland 5-10 and 50%
Steelers 8-16 also 50%.

A stop on third down doesn't mean much, if the opponent decides to go for it and converts on 4th down.

And they converted on all 4th downs. Which is 4 of 4 or 5 of 5,I forget how many. I just know it was 100% conversion rate.

 

[Coryea]

We basically play a 2 DL base defense 80% of the time. We spread TJ and Highsmith out so wide that they are basically OLB, then wonder why 2 guys cannot get separation from 4-5 OL. It is the definition of insanity. We have run that defense on the damn goal line before. Ray Charles could find a hole to run through against that front.

This is a staple of Tomlin's Tampa 2 wanna be scheme, has been for a long time. I bring this up all the time, the playoff game vs Cleveland we lost, they had the best Oline and the best running team in the NFL, we still used this 2 DL defense majority of the time, Clevelands first 4 offensive TD's came with us having only 2 DL on the field in that game.
Watt is having a down year, but teams are now hitting him with a TE off the line, then an OL engages with either the RB or RG there to help, but it's very smart because we only rush 4 guys almost exclusively, so why not take Watt out. If teams want to do that to Watt then ******* blitz from the opposite side where we'll have a definite numbers advantage. That's not Tomlin's thing, he's stubborn and we do what we do, and if teams figure it out we're screwed.

 

[stuntmanmike]

Lot of us on here are Penn staters n Pitt panthers fans… look at Barkley and the MVP chants yesterday… behind a good line in a functional offense he’s an MVP and just last year he was run out of New York as washed up! Who’s next over in philly Harris? Look at Denver… functional offense solid coaching and the rookie qb is rookie of the year candidate. The players now for most part are Even Steven. Every team has enough players that a really good coaching staff can get a team turned around in a year or two and using multiple draft picks and free agency be in the playoffs. COACHING IS EVERYTHING in the NFL now!! You want mediocre? Hire mediocre coaches pure n simple. We can’t draft our way out of this offensive mess. Without a good line coach you’re wasting everyone’s time. Your wasting draft picks your wasting skilled players best years your just wasting everyone’s time. The biggest mistake the Steelers have made in the last few years was losing coach Munchak. He was hall of faller in college in the pros one of the best colleges in football. The little time he was with us he transformed the team. Since he’s left the offense has been dire. Fire everyone from Tomlin down if you want to win. If you don’t and you want to be mediocre you have the guys in place they have proved it! We have talent galore!! The coaches suk!

 

[Steeltime]

It has been the same exact story for YEARS. If a team is willing to have patience and go dink/dunk, you can march up and down the field on the Steelers all day long. If we don't get pressure on the QB, our DB's get exposed week in and week out. Playing their soft zone coverage 10 yards off the LOS on 3rd and short...total insanity. It is wash, rinse, and repeat every year.

SP, the Steelers are playing a ton of man this year. The CB's take an 8-yard drop at the snap because that is what the film shows needs to be defended and opponents really have not dinked to the X or Y receivers much at all this year.

The problem is, as you noted, in man coverage, if the pass pressure does not force the QB off his spot, the CB cannot maintain coverage for 3.5 seconds are more. It is basically that simple. Forcing defenders to cover for more than 3 1/2 seconds just does not work.

 

[Steeltime]

I don't even mind that. I mind that we did it for every cheats game. EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

But the amazing thing is that is not true. Remember that one game probably 10 (?) years ago where the Steelers defense came out playing man and absolutely stuffed the short passing game? The one that ended where Troy batted Tommy's fumble out of bounds?

The defense was awesome that game and you could see Brady getting frustrated as the D just shut down the Patsies' offense. It worked so well, the Steelers decided never to do it again.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

SP, the Steelers are playing a ton of man this year. The CB's take an 8-yard drop at the snap because that is what the film shows needs to be defended and opponents really have not dinked to the X or Y receivers much at all this year.

The problem is, as you noted, in man coverage, if the pass pressure does not force the QB off his spot, the CB cannot maintain coverage for 3.5 seconds are more. It is basically that simple. Forcing defenders to cover for more than 3 1/2 seconds just does not work.

This is exactly why Ben hid many of the warts of a Tomlin offense

Tomlin’s offense would fall off schedule Ben would
Sling a couple defenders to the ground, next thing ya know we’re 5-6 seconds deep into a play and guys are wide open as Ben improvises a way out of the garbage…he also made several receivers look way better than they were due to this

Covering 5 seconds or more is pretty impossible when chasing the NFL caliber athlete

Knowing our tackles struggles and this fact that coverage gets really hard after 3-4 seconds it makes ya wonder why we don’t roll the pocket more frequently (especially with a midget QB who has never seen the middle of the field well anyways)

 

[Steeltime]

Knowing our tackles struggles and this fact that coverage gets really hard after 3-4 seconds it makes ya wonder why we don’t roll the pocket more frequently (especially with a midget QB who has never seen the middle of the field well anyways)

"We don't have to change anything schematically."
- Mike Tomlin

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Whole board has. T.D.S. Tomlin derangement syndrome

 

[Steelr4evr]

Whole board has. T.D.S. Tomlin derangement syndrome

No. We have stuck in the same spot syndrome. Nothing moves forward or backward. You don't get better or worse, just stay exactly the same.

Which is kinda good, but never great. Just enough to not lose more games than you win.

Completely harmless at the playoff level.

 

[Badcat]

But the amazing thing is that is not true. Remember that one game probably 10 (?) years ago where the Steelers defense came out playing man and absolutely stuffed the short passing game? The one that ended where Troy batted Tommy's fumble out of bounds?

The defense was awesome that game and you could see Brady getting frustrated as the D just shut down the Patsies' offense. It worked so well, the Steelers decided never to do it again.

I was at that game and what you probably didn't see on the TV was Troy man-handling Edelman. Troy was playing press on a few downs and wouldn't let that short **** get onto his route. Brady bawling to the refs, slamming his helmet on the sidelines. THAT was a great game!

 

[Coryea]

But the amazing thing is that is not true. Remember that one game probably 10 (?) years ago where the Steelers defense came out playing man and absolutely stuffed the short passing game? The one that ended where Troy batted Tommy's fumble out of bounds?

The defense was awesome that game and you could see Brady getting frustrated as the D just shut down the Patsies' offense. It worked so well, the Steelers decided never to do it again.

The unfortunate phrase there is "that one game" most of the time it was Timmons trying to cover Welker, or Bostic trying to cover Chris freaking Hogan, or name any other ILB and any other quick NE WR.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

"We don't have to change anything schematically."
- Mike Tomlin

Yup
Bout lost my **** when he said that

Yeah just let Garrett run free range in the backfield

Naw we ain’t got Mount Washington or anyone else that could help Turnstile Moore

 

[Fiji Mariner]

No. We have stuck in the same spot syndrome. Nothing moves forward or backward. You don't get better or worse, just stay exactly the same.

Which is kinda good, but never great. Just enough to not lose more games than you win.

Completely harmless at the playoff level.

Happy Groundhog’s Day!

 

[Drink IRON City]

When is Rooney turning over the reigns?

From my understanding, they’ve been grooming his son Dan. Dan spoke out about Tomlin a couple years ago and that slowed to season him more. It also brought Art 2 out to say we need to run more and now the playoff speak.

Don’t quote me as I’m only shooting from the hip and not in my Spirit World, but feel about the time this current contract ends with Tom Lin, Art 2 will transfer things over.


Salute the nation

 

[xjx]

When I wear my wizard hat my bold predictions are usually wrong. It's fun to try!

 

[madinsomniac]

From my understanding, they’ve been grooming his son Dan. Dan spoke out about Tomlin a couple years ago and that slowed to season him more. It also brought Art 2 out to say we need to run more and now the playoff speak.

Don’t quote me as I’m only shooting from the hip and not in my Spirit World, but feel about the time this current contract ends with Tom Lin, Art 2 will transfer things over.


Salute the nation

Dan Rooney was 71 when he transfeered his power as team President to ARII..

Art Rooney officially named Dan "Team President" when he was 74, though Dan was running things behind the scenes since the late 60's...

Art Rooney II is currently 72... so any year now he could opt to step away...

 

[ZonaBurgh]

We will keep doing the same thing and expect different results - MT

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

No. We have stuck in the same spot syndrome. Nothing moves forward or backward. You don't get better or worse, just stay exactly the same.

Which is kinda good, but never great. Just enough to not lose more games than you win.

Completely harmless at the playoff level.

you act like im unaware.. I have accepted the fact hes here and this is how it is. Id rather talk about the players , the line,, Larry O. , Minkas lack of splash, the lack of darts in short to medium , etc..
if we just blame tomlin every game wtf is there to talk about? Nothing. Its tomlins fault, see ya next week.