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Jalen Carter Arrest Warrant

SteelerSask2 said:
I think you kinda have to ask yourself this. If someone is not taking him 1-4 why are you taking him at 17? Is his offense less serious at 16? Now I realize there becomes a tipping point where the reward would outweigh the risk but I'm thinking that is outside the first or where he should have went.
* having said this I'm not stupid. If a team below the top ten believes he isn't going to jail and ma have learned his lesson they are gonna bite. Maybe in the Steelers range. But buyer beware.
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Money invested. Draft spot is the key indicator of what type of contract you will be getting. Travon Walker received a 4-year 37.4 million dollar contract going #1. Lewis Cine went last in the first round and received a 4-year 11.5 million dollar contract. Zion Johnson went 17th last year and got a 4-year 14.8 million dollar contract. Steelers don't get a lot of shots at elite prospects and at a position we currently need some young blood to be injected into.
 
Eye of the beholder but in this instance I don't believe it makes him a bad person or worry about him becoming a habitual street racer on Penn Ave. in Pittsburgh. I can only speak for myself but my buddies and I did some pretty stupid s$%* when we were young while driving vehicles and elsewhere.

Two buddies are skiing at a resort, they decide to go off trail and loser buys drinks. One of the skiers smacks a tree and dies. Toxicity report indicates his THC level was extremely high, should the other guy go to prison. If the survivor had a history of baiting other skiers I'd look at it differently, if not I don't think it warrants incarceration.
 
FordFairLane said:
Money invested. Draft spot is the key indicator of what type of contract you will be getting. Travon Walker received a 4-year 37.4 million dollar contract going #1. Lewis Cine went last in the first round and received a 4-year 11.5 million dollar contract. Zion Johnson went 17th last year and got a 4-year 14.8 million dollar contract. Steelers don't get a lot of shots at elite prospects and at a position we currently need some young blood to be injected into.
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Yeah that makes sense. So it's cost benefit. I guess I didn't realize the heavy difference between the top middle and bottom contract. To me though it comes down to is he going to jail or not. Can the NFL suspend him if he gets probation etc.? He wasn't a player when charged.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Yeah that makes sense. So it's cost benefit. I guess I didn't realize the heavy difference between the top middle and bottom contract. To me though it comes down to is he going to jail or not. Can the NFL suspend him if he gets probation etc.? He wasn't a player when charged.
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That is a HUGE part. But even if it looks like he won't serve time then the character question comes into play. I mean if he is making stupid decisions now what happens when you hand him millions of dollars? Every team is different in risk tolerance.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Yeah that makes sense. So it's cost benefit. I guess I didn't realize the heavy difference between the top middle and bottom contract. To me though it comes down to is he going to jail or not. Can the NFL suspend him if he gets probation etc.? He wasn't a player when charged.
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Good question and I am not sure. The NFL's "personal conduct policy" provides in part, "Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL." Sounds like that would not apply to Carter since he was most certainly not "in the league" when he decided risking $60 million was a good idea.

 
He is young, lets say he gets 3 yrs probation................... hard to take that risk because if he breaks probation it is JAIL time immediately.

If the rog suspends him, it will be a short period, if any, due to being in college and not NFL.

A lot will play out before the draft, it's a wait and see. If risk is 50/50........... I think i'd take him at 1.17


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SteelerSask2 said:
I think you kinda have to ask yourself this. If someone is not taking him 1-4 why are you taking him at 17? Is his offense less serious at 16? Now I realize there becomes a tipping point where the reward would outweigh the risk but I'm thinking that is outside the first or where he should have went.
* having said this I'm not stupid. If a team below the top ten believes he isn't going to jail and ma have learned his lesson they are gonna bite. Maybe in the Steelers range. But buyer beware.
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Why, my question was if he was there at 1.17 would you take him............ ? Every team has their reasoning.

It's a wait and see because a lot will transpire between now and the draft. if things go his way legally, we won't even get a sniff at 1.17.


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FordFairLane said:
I have seen some good players do some dumb things before draft day but never this good of a player and never this big of a dumb thing.
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Senor Sack, but that was after the draft. A first rounder, drunk and speeding.
 
Steeltime said:
Good question and I am not sure. The NFL's "personal conduct policy" provides in part, "Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL." Sounds like that would not apply to Carter since he was most certainly not "in the league" when he decided risking $60 million was a good idea.

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You're right, he's not in the NFL and from what I've heard they do not suspend players for things they have done before joining the league.

He will not make it out of the top ten let alone to 17. This is not a public relations disaster, it's an extremely unfortunate incident. I don't see an uproar by the general public because a team drafted him.
 
BLITZ said:
Cll me t bad person, but if he is there at 17, that would be the only time I would be happy with the yearly sprint to draft
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You aren't bad for wanting him. I am not sure the Steelers with their struggles with player distractions even as recent as last year (if the reports are true) should take on character risks. Especially at 17. There is some rumblings that this particular player falls into the buyer beware category. Even before the speed racer episode.
 
slashsteel said:
You aren't bad for wanting him. I am not sure the Steelers with their struggles with player distractions even as recent as last year (if the reports are true) should take on character risks. Especially at 17. There is some rumblings that this particular player falls into the buyer beware category. Even before the speed racer episode.
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If he's been a problem child before this incident I get your point, unaware of anything regarding him other than his prowess on the field and the news today.
 
KStilley said:
If he's been a problem child before this incident I get your point, unaware of anything regarding him other than his prowess on the field and the news today.
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The story came from Todd McShay so who knows if it is true. I am sure they will do their own indepth research. If he fell all the way to 17 might just be a good idea to let him keep falling.
 
If Carter somehow drops so far down that he's available with the 17th overall pick the Steelers would be INSANE not to take a chance on the kid. A Generational talent and just someone you have to take a chance on if he's available when the Steelers pick in Round 1. I for one would be estatic if he's available at #17 but are there GM's that afraid to draft this kid after this incident? One can only hope he'd drop to the Steelers. Perhaps the Ratbirds would trade up ahead of us to get him...especially with his criminal record he's the perfect fit in Baltimore.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Where they passed on Danny Boy because there was a rumor of snow.
There's a reason for the term young and stupid.
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I know in Animal House, the Dean didn’t want you to go through life “Fat and Stupid”, nothing said about young?


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BLITZ said:
Cll me t bad person, but if he is there at 17, that would be the only time I would be happy with the yearly sprint to draft
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DUDE, you’d have to have eaten Habanero / spoiled beans / near rotten Avocado, the night before to be able to ”run” as fast as the past draft squires……………..

BUT,……… I hear what yaz sayiN !!!!


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Steeltime said:
Good question and I am not sure. The NFL's "personal conduct policy" provides in part, "Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL." Sounds like that would not apply to Carter since he was most certainly not "in the league" when he decided risking $60 million was a good idea.

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they suspended Terrell Pryor for stuff from Ohio State.
 
Public perception will play a part. Does the public see him as a punk or as a kid who did something stupid? My guess is most will lean towards stupid and not necessarily hold it against him going forward after he pays whatever penalty.

If you remove the PR issue, now it's a matter of spending a pick on a guy who could miss his rookie year. Detroit drafted Jmaeson WIlliams #12 overall last year knowing he'd likely miss most of his rookie year. They could do the same this year with Carter at pick 6 that they got from the rams. Detroit also has pick 18 so they may see the value in taking Carter and having a dominant duo of Carter and Hutchinson on the DL for years.

I do think Carter will fall a few spots but not that many. Seattle has pick 5 and 12. Philly has pick 10 and 30. I'd be very surprised if he makes it past Philly at 10.
 
Steelr4evr said:
Well he didn't cause the other guy to wreck, that's all on him. Now if he would have crashed into him or wrecked his own car and caused a death to his passenger, then yeah manslaughter. It's neither.

I believe the other guy was drunk and driving at the time. So it's more on him than anything.
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The act of racing (illegal) caused it. So, yes, he is partially responsible. That's why it would be a lesser manslaughter charge. If he didn't take part in the racing, this doesn't happen. Some states, this isn't even a question. If in Atlanta, it's probably a very liberal DA and they always support the criminal and not the victim.
 
Chicoman said:
If Carter somehow drops so far down that he's available with the 17th overall pick the Steelers would be INSANE not to take a chance on the kid. A Generational talent and just someone you have to take a chance on if he's available when the Steelers pick in Round 1. I for one would be ecstatic if he's available at #17 but are there GM's that afraid to draft this kid after this incident? One can only hope he'd drop to the Steelers. Perhaps the Ratbirds would trade up ahead of us to get him...especially with his criminal record he's the perfect fit in Baltimore.
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Some might think it was insane for the problems they had with AB and how long they allowed it to fester. Some might not think they handled the Deebo situation correctly. Some might have not liked how they allowed players to deplete depth and force their way out of town. Some might have waged if Bryant with all his talent was worrh the risk they took on when they selected him.

You have a franchise that seems to have more than their fair share problems that never accomplished anything noteworthy with those problems.

As I don't have confidence in a player stupid enough to speed buggy their way into a discussion, I damn sure don't have confidence that the Steelers could definitely keep him from being a distraction.

Then if he manages not to be with his stubbornness to do as he wishes how easy is a resign later on?

And to cap it off does he fit the scheme?

Lot of money being thrown around I think you want a little more confidence in your investment.
 
TDX27 said:
The act of racing (illegal) caused it. So, yes, he is partially responsible. That's why it would be a lesser manslaughter charge. If he didn't take part in the racing, this doesn't happen. Some states, this isn't even a question. If in Atlanta, it's probably a very liberal DA and they always support the criminal and not the victim.
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Racing isn't illegal. Only the place they did it wasn't allowed. Who the hell would race a Ford Expedition vs a Trackhawk.

The Trackhawk is the only race worthy vehicle of the two and would smoke a stock Ford Expedition.

I get both sides of this and I'm definitely not a liberal.
 
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On a moral level if a civilian was killed because you were racing time to pay the piper. If one of the racers was killed it just is a tragic accident. Like a fight that ends in a death......he was a willing combatent. I don't think anyone should go to jail here in my opinion. But I do understand the optics etc.
 
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