It's illegal on streets everywhere I know of including being a misdemeanor in this case. Add in the death because of the racing and the charges should escalate. Consequences to their actions.
Jalen Carter Arrest Warrant
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If it was on a race track, sure. This was on a street and was a crime to begin with.
Forgot about that and looked it up.
Goodell tried to justify doing so on the grounds Pryor elected to enter the supplemental draft after being caught getting freebies and money from a tattoo parlor and Goodell ruled that he could enter that draft - an NFL function - only if he sat out the first five games.
Pryor appealed the suspension by arguing he should not be subject to NFL conduct policy while he was not in the NFL. The hearing was before ... Roger Goodell. Shockingly, Goodell found that Goodell was correct.
If two people decide to have an unsanctioned boxing match and one of them dies, you better believe somebody could face criminal charges. This is one situation where a fraternity hosted a "boxing night" and one of the participants died. The Reno Police Dept. found no crime was committed and the Nevada Boxing Commission was irritated at the dismissive nature of the PD's investigation, but held it could not punish those involved only because the licensing requirements for a fight in the state specifically excluded schools. "A key loophole in state law exempted from commission oversight competitions 'exclusively' involving students and conducted by schools, colleges, universities and associated organizations."
The boxing commission changed that rule to require that ANY fights - including for charity - be sanctioned by the boxing commission.
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The drunk person in the other vehicle would be at most fault here. He wasn't driving the crashed car and he didn't hit it or cause it to crash. I don't know the facts of the case honestly, but if the other driver was legally intoxicated then they already where operating the vehicle illegally to begin with and this would have never happened.
Yes,racing should be done on a track or in a sanctioned closed off area. I've done plenty of it. It's dangerous and even with a good skill set,when you mix in power and speed, you can and will crash if you do it long enough. That's what helmets and roll cages are made for.
This is just my perspective on how I see it.
But basically every state makes street racing illegal. Further, the rule of causation for legal responsibility is the "substantial factor" test, meaning the action of the defendant must have been more than a "remote or trivial" factor in causing the outcome; it need not have been the only cause.
He is charged with reckless driving. The police suggested they have no evidence he was intoxicated so it does not look like he is going to face much in terms of criminal prosecution beyond the misdemeanor. First time misdemeanor is almost certainly going to result in little or no jail time.
However, hope he had good auto insurance policy limits.
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I believe the person driving the other vehicle that crashed was drunk.
Yes, and he didn't run them off the road, nor crash into them, so I don't see how they can hold him responsible for the accident when he himself was not in an accident.
I hear you but they both participated in an illegal act that resulted in the death of one of the participants/criminals. If their laws don't allow for a manslaughter charge, he will definitely lose (or settle with a big payout) in a wrongful death civil suit.
If he returned to the scene in the same vehicle and it showed no damage, then you would be correct, but I don't know if that is the case.
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Reading up on everything I don't see Carter being charged with anything more than what he currently is charged with. That said, this is a huge red flag for character concerns. I get it we have all done stupid things and likely didn't get caught or cause a death. But if you think this is his first time doing something stupid, well then you are stupid. This is where the GM's of the world have a huge advantage over any media draft expert as the GM will have in depth psychological questions and answers and will get character reports from outside sources no one else will have access to. Warren Sapp fell due to character concerns. It looked to have been false but after he retired it looked like he was just better at not getting caught. I honestly feel he was a lock 2 days ago to go top 3 and likely 1st overall. Here is where I think he sits today.
#7 Raiders- Because the Raiders literally don't care about character. A guy could murder someone on video but get off due to a technicality and they wouldn't lose a single spot on their draft board.
#10 Philly- Philly has two first round picks and a need for interior linemen. They might justify the risk vs reward knowing they have another pick at the end of the first day.
#12 Houston- They likely were interested in Carter at #2 before everything hit the fan. If he is still here I could see them justifying the pick.
#16- Redskins- I thin Snyder (if he still owns the team) will look at the talent much like the Raiders and not care so much about the risk. Not a need for them but they will likely still have Carter high on their big board.
#17 Steelers- I really don't know what Khan will do. I know Art the piece of deuce will not like risking his money on Carter. I think Tomlin won't care about the risk. So if he somehow slips to 17 I think the decision would be on the unknown risk appetite of Omar Khan.
#7 Raiders- Because the Raiders literally don't care about character. A guy could murder someone on video but get off due to a technicality and they wouldn't lose a single spot on their draft board.
#10 Philly- Philly has two first round picks and a need for interior linemen. They might justify the risk vs reward knowing they have another pick at the end of the first day.
#12 Houston- They likely were interested in Carter at #2 before everything hit the fan. If he is still here I could see them justifying the pick.
#16- Redskins- I thin Snyder (if he still owns the team) will look at the talent much like the Raiders and not care so much about the risk. Not a need for them but they will likely still have Carter high on their big board.
#17 Steelers- I really don't know what Khan will do. I know Art the piece of deuce will not like risking his money on Carter. I think Tomlin won't care about the risk. So if he somehow slips to 17 I think the decision would be on the unknown risk appetite of Omar Khan.
From what I've read he wasn't involved in a wreck, or even a fender bender, he basically was completely unscathed, including his vehicle. But perhaps we'll get more information soon
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What is bad is ones caring about how far he slides in draft. He lied about being in a situation that killed two kids, he was there he was involved, now no responability or accountability in the football world as usual. He has had troubles reported before this and some seem to think no problem. The lesson as many he will learn is no big deal Ill still get big money doing what, playing a game as he in turn ignores the real world and his part.
I understand you can be charged for manslaughter, but I sure as hell would not morally hold someone accountable for a unfortunate punch. I'm certainly not a tough guy and am currently saving my last three minutes of good fighting for a situation where I or a loved one is attacked. HOWEVER, I was in enough dust ups in my early 20's and raced my '81 Trans Am 301 Turbo in the same period of time to NOT cast any judement here.
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Would. Not. Touch.
Need OL help first and foremost. Even if he's still there at 32, let him be someone else's problem. And there's gotta be somebody as close as good that wouldn't be coming to the stillers with existing issues.
Need OL help first and foremost. Even if he's still there at 32, let him be someone else's problem. And there's gotta be somebody as close as good that wouldn't be coming to the stillers with existing issues.
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He was drag racing, he did indeed play a part in causing the other guy to wreck.
Meh, the first car I wrecked I was racing my brother to a friends house … if I died my brother shouldn’t be charged with a felony… it was extremely stupid but not malicious… felony charges and real jail time should be reserved for intentional acts, not pure stupidity… he shouldn’t get off the hook.. it certainly is stupid…but i don’t think it should be something that utterly ruins a life despite the horrible tragedy…
Im sure everyone has stupidly done something in life that could have resulted in an unintentional death in a worse case situation… you have to walk a fine line of still punishing the stupid part of the action without dwelling too much on the tragic consequences…
Im sure everyone has stupidly done something in life that could have resulted in an unintentional death in a worse case situation… you have to walk a fine line of still punishing the stupid part of the action without dwelling too much on the tragic consequences…
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As far as "other character concerns," so far I have found zilch. McVay mentioned that he didn't get along with all of his teammates in the locker room. According to his teammates and coaches, so far all of them refute this. In fact they mentioned that he pays for a fellow defensive lineman's lunch because he's a walk on and rules prohibit him eating for free. I'm not saying oh what a great guy and forget about this recent tragedy, I'd just like a little substance from guys like McShay.
Micah Parsons, Montez Sweat, Tyreek Hill etc. all had character concerns but at least there were some specifics.
Of course we now have an incident regarding Carter's judgement, truthfulness and so on and teams will sort it out. It bothers me though when guys like McShay who has a huge following casts dispersion but leaves everyone in the dark. Circulating rumors about trades, cuts, negotiations etc. Is one thing but diminishing a person's reputation without specifics is something different.
Micah Parsons, Montez Sweat, Tyreek Hill etc. all had character concerns but at least there were some specifics.
Of course we now have an incident regarding Carter's judgement, truthfulness and so on and teams will sort it out. It bothers me though when guys like McShay who has a huge following casts dispersion but leaves everyone in the dark. Circulating rumors about trades, cuts, negotiations etc. Is one thing but diminishing a person's reputation without specifics is something different.
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The other person was drunk. Sorry that was the biggest roll. Illegal to even operate the vehicle,let alone drive it with aggressive acceleration.
He was involved in a crime (street racing). Much like being the get away driver for a robbery where one actual robber/ gunman shoots someone.
Not sure if this is a "character concern," but before getting involved in the street race that killed two people, Carter was ticketed going 89 mph in a 45 mph zone (i.e., not a freeway).
The guy should hire a driver.
After more than a half century I think I'm safe saying this. When I was 18 I had a '63 Lemans convertible and a friend a '64 Galaxy 500 and we would race the back roads of Westmoreland Co all the time. One night, and likely influenced by a few drinks, the right rear wheel slipped off the edge of the road with the Ford right behind me. The car had an independent rather than solid rear axle, so when it dropped I overcompensated. The car flipped, burning off the top and miraculously landed back rubber side down before running into an embankment. I broke my hand and the fellow riding with me ended up laying on the trunk lid with only a few cuts.
It could have been deadly, but it wasn't the fault of my buddy following me.
We've all done questionable things, that said, Carter won't be there at 17.
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Please, speed played the biggest role in the people being killed and it’s very foreseeable that the other driver wouldn’t have been driving anywhere near as fast had it not been for Carter engaging in a drag race.
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Did you "yutes" also have posi traction along with that independent suspension.
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Marisa Tomei was way too young and hot for Joe Pesci.
Why yes I did. Now, in the ’60s, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction, and independent rear suspension, and enough power to make these marks. - Mona Lisa Vito
326, nice car, long gone.