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Joey Porter Jr.............................. not dad

ZonaBurgh said:
Seems a lot like Ramsey when he was with Jacksonville. Oh, I'm hurt, trade me, etc.
So, he's traded to the Rams, passes his physical and plays the first week he's there.
Maybe Jaylen's in Jr's ear.
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Definitely, they are in same practice ect....... of course they talk, Cam too.!!!



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Litos said:
Rather keep him
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I hear yaz, but you are going to get a player under duress and may not play / cancer / crazy talk the locker room.

My trade value was only meant as if you have to trade him.

By all means, try to keep him but also remember it takes two side to make a contract.




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Drink IRON City said:
Definitely, they are in same practice ect....... of course they talk, Cam too.!!!



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If you're going to throw Cam under that bus, you've got to make room for TJ on the pavement too. He also had a hold-in. Difference is that they never missed regular season games. Whether that was because the front office caved or the player I don't know. However, it seems like the players in those two situations got closer to what they wanted than the club did. So, for them to be taking this hardline approach with Jr., that tells me they REALLY don't think he's worth what HE thinks he's worth.

Edit - Also remember that Graham is used to working with less talent on the defense. Maybe part of the reason they feel like JPJ isn't worth the $$$ is that ASJ has been better than advertised so far this year. He'd come cheaper than Porter, Jr.
 
Confluence said:
Great explanation that probably explains the difference in approach between the Steelers and say, Jerra's cowgirls.

However, this has been a known issue for a really long time. The Steelers, and all NFL teams have made boatloads of $$$ for decades, so ownership could have setup an escrow fund years ago by foregoing only a small portion of annual income. Or they could borrow to fund same now. A few points of interest on the escrowed amount.

The Steeler owners have every right to be frugal, because it's their business and money. But the league standard is the standard, and this decision seems to have put the team in a substandard position.

That is 100% on the very wealthy owners.

Pay Joey!!
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Historically speaking Steelers stars get their contracts paid guaranteed or not. Some do even better than the original if they perform. That should factor into the equation.
 
Avoid_Lloyd said:
Cmon man….poor Rooney the multi millionaire….he will be in my prayers tonight lol…
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Yeah, competing against multi billionaires who don't have the cash flow issues because they have other sources of income and are not solely reliant on the team for their personal wealth. If you have ever owned your own business, you know there is a big difference between, profit and cash on hand. Escrow means cash that isn't available to pay bills and improve infrastructure like fields and locker rooms. You can be wealthy and cash poor. They aren't cheap they are at a disadvantage in liquidity. It is remarkable how successful they have been versus the Brown family who's in the same boat.
 
Drink IRON City said:
I hear yaz, but you are going to get a player under duress and may not play / cancer / crazy talk the locker room.

My trade value was only meant as if you have to trade him.

By all means, try to keep him but also remember it takes two side to make a contract.




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And only the front office and Jr's agent knows what the numbers are.

If the Steelers are being cheap, say 24, then that's on them.
If Jr is looking for 35, well that's just stupid on his part.

All we can do is speculate. We don't even know whose idea it was to have him on the inactive list on Sunday.
We don't know if he's healthy enough to play or if he is, is he in game shape.

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SteelBuckeye said:
If you're going to throw Cam under that bus, you've got to make room for TJ on the pavement too. He also had a hold-in. Difference is that they never missed regular season games. Whether that was because the front office caved or the player I don't know. However, it seems like the players in those two situations got closer to what they wanted than the club did. So, for them to be taking this hardline approach with Jr., that tells me they REALLY don't think he's worth what HE thinks he's worth.

Edit - Also remember that Graham is used to working with less talent on the defense. Maybe part of the reason they feel like JPJ isn't worth the $$$ is that ASJ has been better than advertised so far this year. He'd come cheaper than Porter, Jr.
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FULLY agree and what I should have said, ALL of the players talk.

I also don’t think the Dad is helping much either. Possibly trying to “stick it” to the Steelers for what he felt was a wrongful coaching fire (motivation comes in many forms).

Thanks for all your great post(s) along the way SteelBuckeye, appreciate yaz. (Sorry for the O-Buckeye’s loss)




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SteelerInLebanon said:
Yeah, competing against multi billionaires who don't have the cash flow issues because they have other sources of income and are not solely reliant on the team for their personal wealth. If you have ever owned your own business, you know there is a big difference between, profit and cash on hand. Escrow means cash that isn't available to pay bills and improve infrastructure like fields and locker rooms. You can be wealthy and cash poor. They aren't cheap they are at a disadvantage in liquidity. It is remarkable how successful they have been versus the Brown family who's in the same boat.
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Last year the Steelers earned 653 million and spent 500 million.

Thats 153 million in profit a year for those of us dummies who haven’t owned their own business

They’ve owned the team for decades, and are making well over 100 million a year after expenses, I bet they’re pretty good at saving and investing too…I do believe they’ve got cash on hand, but you do your thing and keep making excuses for Art Rooney II’s failures…
 
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Avoid_Lloyd said:
Last year the Steelers earned 653 million and spent 500 million.

Thats 153 million in profit a year for those of us dummies who haven’t owned their own business

They’ve owned the team for decades, and are making well over 100 million a year after expenses, I bet they’re pretty good at saving and investing too…I do believe they’ve got cash on hand, but you do your thing and keep making excuses for Art Rooney II’s failures…
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Again, I assume you have never run your own business and had to make a payroll. Profit on paper is almost absolutely meaningless. Do those numbers include the shares owed minority owners or the amount of cash currently locked up in escrow for money owed other players? Does it count debt service and inventory on hand, supplies siting on shelves? So many factors that go into it and they have to put a big portion of that 100 million into the bank to pay the players owed in the future meaning they can't touch it. Think about 153 million and you have to take 100 million of that and put it in the bank if you give him a theoretical 100 mil guarantee.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Again, I assume you have never run your own business and had to make a payroll. Profit on paper is almost absolutely meaningless. Do those numbers include the shares owed minority owners or the amount of cash currently locked up in escrow for money owed other players? Does it count debt service and inventory on hand, supplies siting on shelves? So many factors that go into it and they have to put a big portion of that 100 million into the bank to pay the players owed in the future meaning they can't touch it. Think about 153 million and you have to take 100 million of that and put it in the bank if you give him a theoretical 100 mil guarantee.
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You assume a lot…I’ll go ahead and assume you’ve never owned an NFL franchise worth $8.3 Billion and haven’t tried to monetize that into profit and cash on hand to do business or are privy to the financial portfolio of Art Rooney II

Payroll is part of the 500 million in total expenses for the franchise

You think they have debt? I doubt it

They’ve owned the franchise for over 70 years, we both know they’re turning a massive profit every year since at least the 1980’s and have the best of the best investing the profit and making money off that.

They sit on a money making machine, they’re not cash strapped, they choose to take an antiquated approach to contracts whenever they can

Porter might indeed be asking for too much but the Rooneys not having cash on hand isn’t the reason he or any other player isn’t signed
 
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BLITZ said:
seems like the steelers have the leverage. he's on the cheap this year and next for cheap. almost forces hm to play. plays well? get alot more for hm than a 3rd.
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Maybe leverage on him playing, but not on a trade. Getting a 1st-round pick for him now seems out the window unless a team is very desperate. It could happen, but I think they'd be lucky to get a 2nd and probably would have to settle for a 3rd-rounder. That would suck. I hope I'm wrong and they do end up signing him after this season, or they get a 1st for him.
 
TDX27 said:
The Steelers won't give him the upfront guaranteed money he wants of around $100 million. I don't blame them but they have been giving players more than just 1 year guaranteed as I've been reading this morning. I can easily see them give him $50 or $60 million guaranteed with a possible roster bonus after 2 years. That is a good offer. It's not what he wants but as with other players that left in the past, they were offered similar or more money but were a bit behind in the guaranteed part.

It's too late now. He'll leave after this season or next if they tag him. They have no leverage in a trade and would have to settle for most likely a 3rd round pick as teams know he will be on his way out and he has no contract.
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The leverage they have is the other team wants him now or next year. Not in another two. Look what the Rams did with Garrett.
 
Litos said:
this all stains of an agent trying to take more than they could from the team and backfiring, unless he is expecting more than 2 years of guaranteed money I don't see how didn't they get a deal done
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Id say his Dad understands the business side. And has probably been telling hus son as soon as he showed NFL type talent that it us a business.
 
TDX27 said:
Maybe leverage on him playing, but not on a trade. Getting a 1st-round pick for him now seems out the window unless a team is very desperate. It could happen, but I think they'd be lucky to get a 2nd and probably would have to settle for a 3rd-rounder. That would suck. I hope I'm wrong and they do end up signing him after this season, or they get a 1st for him.
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for a 2nd or 3rd keep. for a 1st or more- sell
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Yeah, competing against multi billionaires who don't have the cash flow issues because they have other sources of income and are not solely reliant on the team for their personal wealth. If you have ever owned your own business, you know there is a big difference between, profit and cash on hand. Escrow means cash that isn't available to pay bills and improve infrastructure like fields and locker rooms. You can be wealthy and cash poor. They aren't cheap they are at a disadvantage in liquidity. It is remarkable how successful they have been versus the Brown family who's in the same boat.
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Players have publicly called out the organization for being cheap. Including Big Ben.
They are well known for not wanting to pay market value.
 
bigben said:
Players have publicly called out the organization for being cheap. Including Big Ben.
They are well known for not wanting to pay market value.
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the browns or Steelers?
 
bigben said:
Players have publicly called out the organization for being cheap. Including Big Ben.
They are well known for not wanting to pay market value.
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But absolutely have many times. I dont think they like to innovate contracts and take on more risk then normal deals. Id bet that is main issue
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Kahn is not Colbert and this is not Bell. They will get fair compensation. RB is tricky. Cause of mileage and ease at drafting. Shut down corner is not same.
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imagine making the case anytime since Woodson that the Steelers should trade a shutdown corner because of a few million.

Sign Joey!!
 
Confluence said:
imagine making the case anytime since Woodson that the Steelers should trade a shutdown corner because of a few million.

Sign Joey!!
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Agreed and disagree. If he is being stupid and wanting to get 34-35m that would be hard to justify. Problem is no body really know s what he wants
 
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