Keenan Lewis, correct??? Oh...
He got torched and raped by Rodgers on GB's first score.
Big plays will happen - Cortez needs to work on his craft and Troy was late over the top on the second TD. No one is screaming for him to retire now are they???
Keenan Allen.....turn in your F*$#ing pads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Keenan Lewis, correct??? Oh...
He got torched and raped by Rodgers on GB's first score.
Big plays will happen - Cortez needs to work on his craft and Troy was late over the top on the second TD. No one is screaming for him to retire now are they???
$5.4 million in dead money after this season.
Wrong. Willie Gay took one back last year too...
Allen has come to depend on Troy Polamalu to bail his *** out. That's not #43's job.
I watched the game at camp. I was happy for the win, and Ben throwing for big yards. Receivers making plays. A lot of guys had a good game, but Cortez completely sucked and got ripped apart bad. I am still furious Steelers let Keenan go. Lebeau ripped Cortez a new one on the bench. I am not letting troy of the hook either. I guess he is on his last legs.
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Any chance we could switch out numbers with another corner about the same size and weight? Maybe he and Ike could switch when Ike comes back. Is number switching even allowed?
"Torched and raped"? Actually, Lewis covered the receiver for over 5 seconds on that play before Cobb broke loose while Rodgers was back there ordering a cup of coffee and a donut, waiting for him to finally get open. Lewis was on Jordy Nelson almost exclusively the rest of the game, and held him to 3 receptions for 25 yards.
Cortez gives up three of four big plays every week, and they aren't because he can't hold coverages past five seconds. It's because he sucks.
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Its hard for me to completely write a player off. He has shown signs of good. He has had to change his "life long" method of coverage. I'm not saying he is good, but maybe some time might help. It wasn't that long ago William Gay, was the butt of all jokes. No some here are calling him our best. Cortez does need help, but the coaches need to work with him and see if they can get him up to a higher level, before we just cut ties.
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Jeez. All this "he's lost his confidence" and "give him a chance to work on his trade".. eff this bullshit. This is the ************* pros. Step the **** up, because the person behind you should also be one of the best of the best.
This isn't pee-wee football, where we need to coach them better techniques and how to do their craft. They've been doing it for 20 years and made it to the big leagues. If they suck here against equal or better talent, replace them and move on. There are thousands of people that want to play in the NFL and have the ability. FIND SOMEONE ELSE, because Cortez sucks and I'm tired of seeing his dumb ******* *** on the field.
NEXT. MAN. UP.
This isn't pee-wee football, where we need to coach them better techniques and how to do their craft. They've been doing it for 20 years and made it to the big leagues. If they suck here against equal or better talent, replace them and move on. There are thousands of people that want to play in the NFL and have the ability. FIND SOMEONE ELSE, because Cortez sucks and I'm tired of seeing his dumb ******* *** on the field.
NEXT. MAN. UP.
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It's a good thing they didn't take this approach when Ike was struggling. Also his contract doesn't allow us to find someone else. There is something that is wrong with Cortez, he showed a lot of promise not too long ago, and was even matched up with AJ Green instead of Ike just last year. Whether he is thinking too much, putting too much pressure on himself, trying to do too much, whatever the issue is...it needs to be rectified soon.
Yeah, who needs coaches at the pro level? Let's get rid of them.
Trust me, I wasn't defending Cortez - he played and is playing very badly. I just saw the referenced player get burned, like Ike and Cortez, and then turned off the TV...
Fair enough.
In case your TV is off again tonight, Lewis has been mostly covering Kelvin Benjamin, Carolina's #1 receiver, who has 2 receptions for 18 yards through 3+ quarters.
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Lewis just had a DYNAMITE play on the ball. Perfectly thrown to Benjamin, and Lewis fought him the whole way and knocked it from his hands.
He covers the #1 receiver every week. And does it well. Dez Bryant. Jordy Nelson. Kelvin Benjamin. It's painful for me to watch because the Saints are on in primetime so often.
keenan lewis didn't do much when he was here, was given a chance to start in the preseason a couple years ago and was horrible, he really didn't play well until half way through his contract year, alot like worilds.
I would definitely rather have Lewis over Cortez, but it's not like lewis was dominating while he was here. Hell look at sanders, if we gave him the money Denver did, most fans would've been pissed.
I would definitely rather have Lewis over Cortez, but it's not like lewis was dominating while he was here. Hell look at sanders, if we gave him the money Denver did, most fans would've been pissed.
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Lewis is definitely playing above the level of Allen but I fail to see what all the nut hugging is about. Tonight's game for example he made some great plays covering Benjamin, but Benjamin also could of easily had 3 different TD receptions, I think he dropped one he should of caught in the end zone and another two Newton missed him when he was wide open. It's the nature of the position, just have to hope Allen gets his confidence back because he has the talent to play it.
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That is just it. Lewis' claim to fame was that he was second in PD in his fourth year when he had finally played himself to the starting lineup to play 16 games. All that means is that QB' s weren't afraid him. All these PDs and he got zero interceptions. At the time he left, he was not significantly different from Allen in any way.
I wonder who is second in th league in PD now? We should make sure that guy is locked up.
Keynan Allen turn in your pads ??, keenan lewis didn't do much when he was here, Cortez Allen...I'm confused again, who we talkin' about here ?
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Let me get this right... Worilds has NEVER started 16 games in a season and only played 8 decent games a year ONCE but everybody wanted to sign him long term. Lewis plays 16 games and is clearly the best CB on the team but let that ****** walk because he didn't play well in pre-season the year before? WTF?
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Good point, and Keenan was indeed thrown at a LOT that season. And we've discussed that before: PDs and INTs usually (not always, but usually) suggest a guy is being targeted by QBs. But there's more to the equation than JUST that. Lewis played a lot of snaps that year, more than most CBs. And on all of those targets, he gave up just an 80.7 rating in coverage, which was well above average. That was a better number than some good to great corners - Ike (in his last good season), Sean Smith, Leon Hall, etc. He wasn't awesome, and he gave up some big catches late in the year, but he was clearly an ascending player. Not the kind that you break the bank to keep, but that's the thing - he didn't require a break-the-bank contract. The Saints signed him for 5yr/$25.6M with $10M guaranteed. That's a little less than we just signed Cortez for, and he's awful.
True, Keenan was merely above average in 2012 in my opinion. But the fact that he's now an upper-tier CB means that, at best, our coaches and FO failed to recognize an ascending talent. They then compounded that mistake by giving Lewis' exact contract to Cortez Allen, who's now been benched three times in a calendar year. There's some hindsight in that reasoning, sure, but coaches are at least somewhat responsible for not identifying talent before it becomes great. The Browns' FO deserved at least some blame for taking Gerard Warren over LaDainian Tomlinson. No, you don't crucify them as sheer idiots for that one mistake alone, but if you're evaluating their talent evaluation performance, you certainly note on their resume that they ****** that one up. And let's not pretend the Lewis/Allen decision is the ONLY player evaluation fuckup Tombert has made.
The reason it bothers me so much is that Tomlin is a DB coach. It's his claim to fame and the reason he became a DC, then a HC. And he's failed to develop and keep one single worthwhile DB in 7.5 years. Lewis is the only one that turned into anything under Tomlin, and he was cut loose at the beginning of his prime with no effort to keep him. It's like hiring Andy Reid or Mike Martz but never developing even a mediocre passing game.
I brought up the preseason just to show the dude was torched in that game, and wasn't very good while he was here either, not necessarily you, but a ton of fans make it sound as if Lewis was a top tier guy while he was here, but he wasn't even above average.
Like I said seeing how he's playing now, I'm sure the steelers would love to have him over Allen, as would I.
I wanted no parts of signing Worilds long term.
Like I said Sanders signed a 5 million/year contract with Denver, if we gave him that, fans would be pissed, but he looks worth it now.
I can see why they didn't give Lewis a contract, but I don't know why the gave Allen what they gave him.
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Lewis was the best CB on the team in 2012. Ike has struggled for years but they can't find anyone to replace him. How many times has Ike been torched in the past 3 years? Lewis isn't a top tier guy but he is better than anything they have now. He was worth bringing back.
All our CB's have been getting torched lately, I agree with you on Ike, I do think he's worth what he's getting, but he's definitely not a #1 anymore.