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Kendrick green traded for 2025 sixth rounder

Hines57 said:
Creed Humphrey was #2 to Kelce for All Pro at the C position. He would greatly outweigh any benefit we get from having Muth if they grabbed him in R2. This is a guy who touches the ball on every offensive snap. I guess everyone forgets all the ****** snaps Green sailed back to Ben his last year and our QB and run game getting killed.
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Tight End is a higher valued position in the NFL than a Center. …. You can see it in current and recent historical salaries and you can see it in modern day hall of fame enshrinement…

Heck there are 4 clear cut, gonna get in for sure one day TEs with hall of fame grades waiting to be eligible right now… at C, Saturday or Pouncey might someday get in on rep, but their value grades are around 75 when an average HOF c was over 100… the position just has little value really… it isn’t hard to find an average Center… stud centers don’t often really move the needle for offensive production…

The real issue wasn’t drafting muth… it was not trading down and getting creed at the top of tge second then taking a Rb later or trading for one. I like Najeh, but no rb is worth a first these days
 
Hines57 said:
Creed Humphrey was #2 to Kelce for All Pro at the C position. He would greatly outweigh any benefit we get from having Muth if they grabbed him in R2. This is a guy who touches the ball on every offensive snap. I guess everyone forgets all the ****** snaps Green sailed back to Ben his last year and our QB and run game getting killed.
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he could have always traded down and get both plus a 4th. Point is, RB was a very wrong choice and everybody knows it. Let's move on
 
madinsomniac said:
Tight End is a higher valued position in the NFL than a Center. …. You can see it in current and recent historical salaries and you can see it in modern day hall of fame enshrinement…

Heck there are 4 clear cut, gonna get in for sure one day TEs with hall of fame grades waiting to be eligible right now… at C, Saturday or Pouncey might someday get in on rep, but their value grades are around 75 when an average HOF c was over 100… the position just has little value really… it isn’t hard to find an average Center… stud centers don’t often really move the needle for offensive production…

The real issue wasn’t drafting muth… it was not trading down and getting creed at the top of tge second then taking a Rb later or trading for one. I like Najeh, but no rb is worth a first these days
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I want whatever crack you are smoking. Stud centers don't move the needle for offensive production? This is some cooch level BS. You get a dominant center and you protect the QB up the middle and open running lanes. We had neither with Green and the offense suffered immensely. The offense suffered so much so that the 1st round RB they wasted a pick on looks like **** compared to his undrafted backup. Everything starts with the OL on offense. If you can sit there and say Mahan was on the same level as Hartings at C and there wasn't a notable drop off; just like last year there was an improvement with Green on the bench because he was an awful center.
 
Hines57 said:
I want whatever crack you are smoking. Stud centers don't move the needle for offensive production? This is some cooch level BS. You get a dominant center and you protect the QB up the middle and open running lanes. We had neither with Green and the offense suffered immensely. The offense suffered so much so that the 1st round RB they wasted a pick on looks like **** compared to his undrafted backup. Everything starts with the OL on offense. If you can sit there and say Mahan was on the same level as Hartings at C and there wasn't a notable drop off; just like last year there was an improvement with Green on the bench because he was an awful center.
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Im literally going by NFL valuation in the current market.
Take the highest paid Te vs the highest paid center, or the average of the top ten of each, or all the starters… go back 20 years… doesn’t matter… TEs get drafted higher, paid more, and are more likely to make tge HOF…

If NFL teams valued C higher, they would draft them higher and pay them more. TE is just a bigger deal to them.
 
madinsomniac said:
Im literally going by NFL valuation in the current market.
Take the highest paid Te vs the highest paid center, or the average of the top ten of each, or all the starters… go back 20 years… doesn’t matter… TEs get drafted higher, paid more, and are more likely to make tge HOF…

If NFL teams valued C higher, they would draft them higher and pay them more. TE is just a bigger deal to them.
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TEs don't touch the ball on every offensive snap. The valuation based on their contracts is off. This is a poor analysis of what a player means to a team and are asked to do. There are also a lot more TEs on a roster than a C.

We saw what having a piece of **** center like Green did to the offense. We have survived without having an elite TE before.
 
Hines57 said:
TEs don't touch the ball on every offensive snap. The valuation based on their contracts is off. This is a poor analysis of what a player means to a team and are asked to do. There are also a lot more TEs on a roster than a C.

We saw what having a piece of **** center like Green did to the offense. We have survived without having an elite TE before.
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I’m simply stating what Ive read and observed for decades… and its a pretty common opinion…

Here is a NFL. Com opinion piece about positional importance ranking Center 17th among positions … they rank TE 10’th… this gets discussed ad nauseam around HOF voting time, when C,G and SS get kicked to the wayside because they don’t have high perceived value..



Look at first round picks… since 2000 24 Tight ends have been first round picks… only 8 C…


Steelers fans overestimate how C are viewed elsewhere because we have had a near monopoly on great ones… but for the most part finding an ok one is simple and unless you have an extremely great one… there isn’t much difference between the normal Above average and the normal slightly below average one…

Now that doesn’t mean that you should be trotting out a bad one for the better part of a season when other options were available like we did LGs rookie season… but given tge chance to get a all pro type TE and an All pro type C, I believe the consensus in the nfl ranks is to take the TE
 
madinsomniac said:
I’m simply stating what Ive read and observed for decades… and its a pretty common opinion…

Here is a NFL. Com opinion piece about positional importance ranking Center 17th among positions … they rank TE 10’th… this gets discussed ad nauseam around HOF voting time, when C,G and SS get kicked to the wayside because they don’t have high perceived value..



Look at first round picks… since 2000 24 Tight ends have been first round picks… only 8 C…


Steelers fans overestimate how C are viewed elsewhere because we have had a near monopoly on great ones… but for the most part finding an ok one is simple and unless you have an extremely great one… there isn’t much difference between the normal Above average and the normal slightly below average one…

Now that doesn’t mean that you should be trotting out a bad one for the better part of a season when other options were available like we did LGs rookie season… but given tge chance to get a all pro type TE and an All pro type C, I believe the consensus in the nfl ranks is to take the TE
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Opinion piece. Go find all the teams with ****** Centers and no one cares what their TE is doing. If you can't protect the QB or snap the ball worth a damn none of the other stuff matters. Its not a sexy position, but it is critical. The C should also be calling out the blocking schemes. This is such an underrated position and its a shame fantasy nerds think a TE is more important than a player who touches the ball every offensive snap.
 
Interesting debate. For me I value the trenches more. The strong trenches with a solid QB seem to always do well. When it comes to both of those positions they are both valued. Whatever gets that W.

I think the right answer ultimately is you want your TE and C to be above the line with a varsity pedigree... obviously.
 
Hines57 said:
Opinion piece. Go find all the teams with ****** Centers and no one cares what their TE is doing. If you can't protect the QB or snap the ball worth a damn none of the other stuff matters. Its not a sexy position, but it is critical. The C should also be calling out the blocking schemes. This is such an underrated position and its a shame fantasy nerds think a TE is more important than a player who touches the ball every offensive snap.
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Again, not fantasy nerd nor just opinions… when nfl teams pay money, they don’t pay Centers as much as a lot of other positions because it just isn’t as important to them…
When they draft centers, they don’t draft them high… the facts say they aren’t thought of as very critical…

Left tackles don’t have fantasy stats. They don’t touch the ball ever. They are thought of as one of the three most important players on the field. You see that reflected in pay and draft position.

hey a kicker is extremely important job… it physically wins and loses games, … but the difference between a great and meh one makes them relatively expendable… people dont pay top end salaries to kickers, they don’t draft them in the first round… if you have a bad one, they can absolutely lose you games… but thats true of every position…

Hey I like Creed too, but i don’t think anyone was going to draft him over muth at that time… Creed turned out great, but ultimately he is just a Center…
 
madinsomniac said:
Again, not fantasy nerd nor just opinions… when nfl teams pay money, they don’t pay Centers as much as a lot of other positions because it just isn’t as important to them…
When they draft centers, they don’t draft them high… the facts say they aren’t thought of as very critical…

Left tackles don’t have fantasy stats. They don’t touch the ball ever. They are thought of as one of the three most important players on the field. You see that reflected in pay and draft position.

hey a kicker is extremely important job… it physically wins and loses games, … but the difference between a great and meh one makes them relatively expendable… people dont pay top end salaries to kickers, they don’t draft them in the first round… if you have a bad one, they can absolutely lose you games… but thats true of every position…

Hey I like Creed too, but i don’t think anyone was going to draft him over muth at that time… Creed turned out great, but ultimately he is just a Center…
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If you want to use that logic, you should never draft an RB in R1 because they typically don't get huge second contracts. So they ****** up drafting Najee when they really needed to address the OL and could have got Creed and Muth. Go ask Mahomes if Creed is just a center. I can assure you Green is not or was not the answer. And there lies the problem with Colbert the last several years of his tenure in town.
 
Hines57 said:
If you want to use that logic, you should never draft an RB in R1 because they typically don't get huge second contracts. So they ****** up drafting Najee when they really needed to address the OL and could have got Creed and Muth. Go ask Mahomes if Creed is just a center. I can assure you Green is not or was not the answer. And there lies the problem with Colbert the last several years of his tenure in town.
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They drafted Harris to fix the running game and give one last run with Ben at QB. Two years in, everyone has admitted Harris isn't good enough to make yards on his own and needs a great offensive line in front of him to open up holes. Poor evaluation and planning by Colbert and the Steelers.
 
Hines57 said:
If you want to use that logic, you should never draft an RB in R1 because they typically don't get huge second contracts. So they ****** up drafting Najee when they really needed to address the OL and could have got Creed and Muth. Go ask Mahomes if Creed is just a center. I can assure you Green is not or was not the answer. And there lies the problem with Colbert the last several years of his tenure in town.
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I’ve always believed there is rarely any good reason to draft a RB in the first. I like Harris, but I would never have used a first on him.
I would have traded down in the first, probably all the way down to Denver’s spot in the second because they were sniffing around the top two backs, then taken muth and creed…
 
SteelerFan448 said:
They drafted Harris to fix the running game and give one last run with Ben at QB. Two years in, everyone has admitted Harris isn't good enough to make yards on his own and needs a great offensive line in front of him to open up holes. Poor evaluation and planning by Colbert and the Steelers.
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Extremely poor. They had the guy who could've fixed the OL in the middle but I guess the league doesn't value centers, until they do.
 
Barry sanders in his prime would have trouble run behind our line rhe last few years
 
Hines57 said:
isnt that why he retired early? ****** OLs and the Lions just didnt invest to help him produce more.
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I thought no one really knew why he retired. Rumors about his dad's involvement, etc. I would love to know why.
 
Djfan said:
I thought no one really knew why he retired. Rumors about his dad's involvement, etc. I would love to know why.
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I heard a rumor back in like 99 that it was a big misunderstanding. the HC called him right after the season and asked how he was doing. He woke Barry up from a nap, and Barry responded he was real tired coach. He hung up and went back to sleep. the Coach didnt hear him say he was real tired but instead that he was retired. He announced his retirement to the team.
When Barry woke up, it was all over the world that he was retired and he just went with it.

Have no clue if it is true but he was always so quiet and humble, I could almost see it be true.
 
He retired near the top of his game with his health and knees intact knowing the Lions were going nowhere. Great to be able to define your legacy rather than to stick around past your prime and retire a Has Been.

Leave em wanting more... Not the other way around
 
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