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Kenny to be benched?

bermudasteel said:
The offense has changed. What I mean by that is the combo OC's are calling better plays (sequentially) which make the balance better. The problem w/ the AZ game (I've rewatched it twice) was not scoring the TD early when Najee was stuffed on the goal line.

Then the injuries started to mount up.

We all know that Coach Tomlin is on the downside of his career in da Burgh but we have definitive answers as the remainder of the season pans out as well as the seeing the draft picks that are selected in April.

Admit it - we sucked at ILB for the past 3 seasons and finally - we picked up 3 sure fire hits in Holcolm, Alexander and Roberts. Again, injuries killed those plans.

I'll see how this all plays out but methinks Kenny "One Read" is done here...
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Yet you didn't answer my question. :unsure:
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Looking ahead, what if Mitch plays well over the next few weeks? Say the team goes 3-0 and Mitch throws for 200 yards/game with 5-6 TDs and 0-1 turnovers. Does Pickett go back into the lineup? I don't how they could.
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Or what if he does the status quo of his history? I honestly hope he balls out in the weeks ahead. Pickett might not even come back this year off of the time schedule for the surgery he had. And then you have the Rudy factor...... waiting...wanting.....willing.....
 
stillwright said:
Can anyone name a qb that would succeed in this offense?
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Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, probably Justin Herbert, etc. Legitimately if Pickett just made the plays that he leaves left on the field this offense would still be bad (bottom half), but a lot better than what they are right now and it would reflect in the overall record.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, probably Justin Herbert, etc. Legitimately if Pickett just made the plays that he leaves left on the field this offense would still be bad (bottom half), but a lot better than what they are right now and it would reflect in the overall record.
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And you would be wrong.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, probably Justin Herbert, etc. Legitimately if Pickett just made the plays that he leaves left on the field this offense would still be bad (bottom half), but a lot better than what they are right now and it would reflect in the overall record.
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Mahomes is struggling a bit in KC w/o any WRs. We saw what happened to Mahomes when the Oline was not good in the SB as well. Allen is a turnover machine and Herbert has been very inconsistent this year. I do not like Lamar, but I think he would have the best shot in our offense. He might be able to escape some sacks and chuck it. If you watch the All 22 film most of our guys are covered. I also think QBs are not given much freedom in our offense especially under canada which is going to hurt their growth. Last game was just really sloppy w/ mistakes. The QB play was not as bad as most make it out to be and our defense could not get a stop
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Looking ahead, what if Mitch plays well over the next few weeks? Say the team goes 3-0 and Mitch throws for 200 yards/game with 5-6 TDs and 0-1 turnovers. Does Pickett go back into the lineup? I don't how they could.
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I hope Mitch goes lights out and makes Pickett sit !!! Nothing against Pic kett, but the hot Han d must play, ensuring overal;l team play.

I’m hungry for a playoff victory and the MITCH might be the Factor.


Salute the nation
 
stillwright said:
And you would be wrong.
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You seriously don't think an elite QB could move this offense from 16 PPG to around 20-21 PPG to put them in the middle of the pack?

jitter77 said:
Mahomes is struggling a bit in KC w/o any WRs. We saw what happened to Mahomes when the Oline was not good in the SB as well. Allen is a turnover machine and Herbert has been very inconsistent this year. I do not like Lamar, but I think he would have the best shot in our offense. He might be able to escape some sacks and chuck it. If you watch the All 22 film most of our guys are covered. I also think QBs are not given much freedom in our offense especially under canada which is going to hurt their growth. Last game was just really sloppy w/ mistakes. The QB play was not as bad as most make it out to be and our defense could not get a stop
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Mahomes is 9th in passing yards/game, tied for 5th with 22 TDs, and has 10 INTs. Mahomes has put passes on the receivers hands that they've dropped. I couldn't imagine our QBs struggling this bad.

Allen has 13 INTs and 3 fumbles lost, which is bad, but also 24 passing and 9 rushing TDs. 33 TDs. The Steelers have 16. If they had 33 TDs from the QB this year they'd be in the driver's seat for the AFC title.

Lamar's running would open up the receivers for us just as it always has for him in Baltimore.

Drink IRON City said:
I hope Mitch goes lights out and makes Pickett sit !!! Nothing against Pic kett, but the hot Han d must play, ensuring overal;l team play.

I’m hungry for a playoff victory and the MITCH might be the Factor.
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I do too because it means we'd be in the playoffs and I don't care who leads the Steelers there. It's been too long since we've had a playoff win.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
You seriously don't think an elite QB could move this offense from 16 PPG to around 20-21 PPG to put them in the middle of the pack?


Mahomes is 9th in passing yards/game, tied for 5th with 22 TDs, and has 10 INTs. Mahomes has put passes on the receivers hands that they've dropped. I couldn't imagine our QBs struggling this bad.

Allen has 13 INTs and 3 fumbles lost, which is bad, but also 24 passing and 9 rushing TDs. 33 TDs. The Steelers have 16. If they had 33 TDs from the QB this year they'd be in the driver's seat for the AFC title.

Lamar's running would open up the receivers for us just as it always has for him in Baltimore.


I do too because it means we'd be in the playoffs and I don't care who leads the Steelers there. It's been too long since we've had a playoff win.
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Not if they do what they ask them to do. Ben didn't do **** until the 4th quarter and then did his own thing. He would rack up more stats in the 4th than the first 3 quarters combined.

So I guess you are correct. An elite QB once left to do their own thing would perform better but not while running this offense.
 
TDX27 said:
You still have to give KP a year under a new OC. Canaduh instilled a lot of the bad ju-ju into KP. Any 1st rounder, and especially at QB, deserves a chance through his 3rd year (2nd starting season for him). I think you have to go into next year thinking KP is QB1. He needs the reps with the 1's in the preseason and camp, especially with hopefully an entirely new O staff. If things still suck past the halfway point in the year, then, you might think of pulling him.
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Don’t HAVE to

If there’s a QB available that Khan/Weidl feel can help the team they draft one

I expect one to be drafted at some point (not 1st) but could easily see them pull the trigger in rnd 2-3…and if said QB comes in and looks better, welcome to the backup role Kenny. Probably a roll he is better suited for anyways.

As many scrub QBs outplay him on the reg I wouldn’t expect too much resistance from him holding onto the starting job when the options are anything better than T Biscuit and Rudy.

It is the most important position and currently we still have Zero proven commodities there…so you keep looking
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Looking ahead, what if Mitch plays well over the next few weeks? Say the team goes 3-0 and Mitch throws for 200 yards/game with 5-6 TDs and 0-1 turnovers. Does Pickett go back into the lineup? I don't how they could.
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No worries
Mitch won’t go 3-0
 
Mitch described as a "hot hand"? I never thought anyone from this community would describe him as such. But, as Blondie wrote in her hit song, dreaming is free.
 
Djfan said:
Mason may be hoping that he won't have to play.
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I doubt that as I think Mason has been reading “Ford’s” post(s), yes there is more than one.


Salute the nation
 
No matter what Mitch does in this offense this site will be angry. Why? He throws interceptions, well look back at games that Kenny was very fortunate that players dropped the ball that would have been intercepted. Odd your dislike for Mitch makes Mason name comes up when everyone wanted him traded in camp. You blame the OC for Kenny, injuries for Kenny, middle linebackers hurt for Kenny, reality he has not met any of the high standards we all thought he would be when drafted. Tomlin will never hire a good QB coach to make Kenny better so we will continue to give Kenny a pass.
 
TDX27 said:
I'll go to my usual response on this and there are others. Allen didn't have IT his 1st 2 or so years. He finally got the right offseason coach and came back with IT and now he's one of the best in the game. KP can come back and win games. That's very important. He does have things to work on but Canaduh was definitely holding him back. You have to give him next year to see what he has. I know I would. And, as I said before, if he isn't much better next year under and entirely new O coaching staff (if Tomlin will even go that far), then you start looking for a later 1st round QB who might be better than him because that's where our .500 or so team will be picking.
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I'm sorry, but the comparison here is NOT apt. Allen may not have looked great his rookie year, but anyone watching him play could definitely see that a ton of potential was there, potential for him to be special. Pickett is nowhere Allen in terms of potential
 
I feel this way about Kenny. I think it's safe to say he is not a generational talent. But I'm not comfortable saying he is no good. So let's assume you wanna draft a new guy next year. Let's play a game called qbs drafted higher than KP or costed more capital who are or look like busts. I will start.......Justin Fields.
 
SteveA said:
No you do not...
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I think you do. He has shown he can be good despite all the naysayers.
Last year he was the second best QB in the league under pressure. Coaching has screwed him up but he can recover. He also is pretty good against perfect coverage with an above average EPA and he faces a lot of it. This scheme is killing him.
 
stillwright said:
Not if they do what they ask them to do. Ben didn't do **** until the 4th quarter and then did his own thing. He would rack up more stats in the 4th than the first 3 quarters combined.

So I guess you are correct. An elite QB once left to do their own thing would perform better but not while running this offense.
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Lets Compare 2021 Ben to 2023 Kenny

16 games Ben threw 22 TD and 3740 yds

12 Games Kenny threw 6 TD and 2070 yds

Kenny also has a much better running game than Ben had in 2021, and Pickens the best receiver on the team.

So the first round QB pickett couldn't play half as well as post elbow Ben in the final season of his career.

My biggest problem with Kenny is he can't even complete the easiest of short passes half the time. Just no timing or accuracy. He just looks plain awful 75% of the time even with the gimmie plays. Can't even hit a guy in stride from 10 feet away with a well timed well placed pass. Besides that he can't see the field and is pretty fragile.
 
here's two options for the upcoming draft:

1. Draft Graham Barton in the first, hoping one of the better talents remaining at QB falls to the 2nd (Nix, Penix)
2. Take one of the top talents at QB in the first, then take Sedrick Van Pran-Granger in the 2nd

Either scenario nets you KP starting next season, but with a rookie in the wings. So either KP can put it together next season, or we trade him after the 24 season and move forward with the rookie.

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you take a QB in the upcoming draft because the '24 draft crop is ******.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Looking ahead, what if Mitch plays well over the next few weeks? Say the team goes 3-0 and Mitch throws for 200 yards/game with 5-6 TDs and 0-1 turnovers. Does Pickett go back into the lineup? I don't how they could.
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I would absolutely bet the over on the that turnover line unless they only run the ball.
 
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