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LB Bud Dupree Files Grievance

he never has lined up as de https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8UJZzuBEwY in the 2 pt stance he has always a stand up rusher since drafted, at Kentucky he played both hands down de and stand up as a steeler only watt and chick and ola at times lined up as 2 pt de when we were playing 4 DL base nickel sets, saw more after Tuitt injury and cam would be at the nose and tyson at the 1T when Hargrave went off, tj went to RE but Dupree on the opposite side rushed on loops and around the RT.
Bud would be at the edge but as a de and would usually bull rush the LT or twist and then speed burst and the pocket collapses and it was first to come gets sack between tj Dupree cam Vince. tj in many games tj played de in nickel you can see vs buffalo, Miami AZ and even at times his 1st 2 years at times you can see him in a 2 pt stance.
Back to Dupree if wins grievance if there is an option opportunity he doesn’t sign tag replace with Clowney.
Max now I give him b/c if we cant extend him we will have to cut between Pouncey or AV and lose Conner maybe Cam after the year.
I can if say the most I would offer him if he wins grievance is 4 years 63 million 12 mill bonus numbers basing mostly off Fowler jr Dupree 1 yr older but more productive since entering thus Fowler 1 good year 2 nothing. the 12 mill bonus I would tie in highly in incentives in sacks, FF, TFL since now he wants to be paid like a DE, then now TFL vs the run should be highly motivational.
High smith is a good prospect but him and OLA opposite tj is to risky as tj would get doubled, plus once his cap number is spread over say 3-4 years you then have money to right away extend cam, and then play a wait see a game with Conner, Pouncey, AV. If Pouncey plays the same you must ask if him if he doesn’t retire a pay cut and in rnd 2 draft his replacement
We really need Chukes Grey to show something as well have heard grey last year 7th rnd pick throughout the year took some snaps at C, as well as perhaps Dotson at the combine. Prior to the grievance as Colbert has said he wanted Dupree life long Steeler I had thought 6 years 65 mill 15 mill SB might of gotten it done, now hard to say esp when you look at Fowler and Beasley deals, however, vic is is a prove 1 year 9.5 deal with the ****. The backup plan is hope jj comes here on a discount next year on a lower cost say 2 years 20 mill deal with a incentive laced SB or hope Vic hits the market.
 
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he is a 100 times better than jarvis hell even chick and ola are better than jarvis on any given sunday
 
I get what people are saying. But let's get real. He was a major disappointment in all but last year and he was good the year before. So most of the time when you lined up as a 4-3 DE you sucked balls. The team stuck with him. Payed him his option now a huge salary this year. **** off Bud rummaging for more.
 
he since being in the pros has not lined as a tradition 43 de has lined on the edge standing up, he had breakout year he correcting his flaw which was running via the wrong rush lane he corrected his vision as a result for the 1st 2 years where he was 1/2 second or 1 sec late he was arriving on time for the sack or causing a FF or the qb had no where go and it was a gang sack. if we retain with the same D no reason why he does not post 8-12 sacks again.
we are screwed if we played under eithier tag number as we cant allocate saleries for others o the cap and extend heyward or if we want to keep Conner or AV will have cash for them.
we are scrwed eithier way he knows the system and with him and tj and a healthy tuitt you cant double eithier edge rusher and these 2 are huge and fast and hard hitting that will wear down OT's
 
As Cope detailed, DE in a base 4-3 lines up head to head with the OT, or shades on the inside shoulder of the OT. The details are fluid dependent on the player himself.

In the Base 3-4 the OLB always lines up on the outside shoulder of the OT. Because the “edge rusher OLB” uses speed to power gained by the extra space on the outside. DE primarily are power WITH speed on rush schemes, a’la Cam or Aaron Donald.

He and Barrett will lose their grievance, and this will set up the next line item in the 18th game addition which will be collectively bargained before the next CBA. NFLPA have been maneuvering to have position “salaries” replaced with “productivity salaries” so as to force salaries of all positions to increase regardless of scheme importance.

Just shows De Smith again is late to the party for the NFLPA. The players don’t realize it, but they really miss Upshaw as president.


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The position distinction kinda stinks for players like Bud or guys like Jimmy Graham. Bud barely dropped into coverage last year and should be considered an edge defender. I don't get all of the hate for a guy trying to up his pay for a more appropriate position value. I hope he gets it. I also hope he has a monster season and signs a huge contract in free agency so we get a third-round comp pick because we aren't re-signing him here.
 
Here’s an idea bud. Take the money and shut up. You did absolutely nothing your first 4 years and finally decided to show up last year and now you want to cry your being underpaid? Put together another year and then let’s talk.
 
can the Steelers file a grievance against Bud for him masquerading as a pro linebacker his 1st 3 years?

Bud should STFU and just be glad he has a job. One good season out of four doesn't entitle you to Jack Schitt. This was before Bud's time but the fans and the team remember Jason Worilds.
 
Bud should STFU and just be glad he has a job. One good season out of four doesn't entitle you to Jack Schitt. This was before Bud's time but the fans and the team remember Jason Worilds.

Most of you follow players and their abilities much more than I do. I'm skeptical, although with nothing to back that up, that Bud picked up his game because it was a contract year. Again no proof, but it did happen.

Some players take time to develop and maybe that's all this is. Questions though, is Bud a student of the game, a work out warrior? Does he posses game smarts?

Not trying to intentionally knock the guy, if it took 4 years, it took 4 years, show another, then hope we're not all disappointed in year 6.
 
The position distinction kinda stinks for players like Bud or guys like Jimmy Graham. Bud barely dropped into coverage last year and should be considered an edge defender. I don't get all of the hate for a guy trying to up his pay for a more appropriate position value. I hope he gets it. I also hope he has a monster season and signs a huge contract in free agency so we get a third-round comp pick because we aren't re-signing him here.

Well for one thing Bud never would have even played as a 4-3 DE. For another his franchise tag has the team against the cap already. Lastly, he had months to make this known. He said he was happy to play on the tag. Now he wants more.
 
Bud should STFU and just be glad he has a job. One good season out of four doesn't entitle you to Jack Schitt. This was before Bud's time but the fans and the team remember Jason Worilds.

Bud took awhile to develop. He was raw coming out of Kentucky so it was known he'd take a year or two to develop. Then the Steelers weren't playing him on his best side and eventually flipped him and Watt and it paid off for both players. Last year they really let him rush the QB more than he ever has and the production increased. He isn't the bum some on this board think he is and he isn't an elite defender either. I don't think he wins the grievance, but he at least has an argument. Again, I called him an EDGE defender and the stats support it: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ree-files-grievance-linebacker-classification

According to Next Gen Stats, Dupree's defensive positioning at the time of snap last season was determined to be "EDGE" -- within 1-2 yards of the line of scrimmage -- on 827 of his 929 defensive snaps played last season (89%). That's the most snaps as "EDGE" among all Steelers last season and second to only Arizona's Chandler Jones among all NFL players.


Well for one thing Bud never would have even played as a 4-3 DE. For another his franchise tag has the team against the cap already. Lastly, he had months to make this known. He said he was happy to play on the tag. Now he wants more.

The argument for the higher pay is because the 4-3 DE position is the pay grade that most would qualify for an EDGE defender, the position Dupree primarily played last season. Anyone in a similar situation that would have an opportunity to make an extra $2 million a year would at least attempt. He has a limited earning window and is going to do what he can to maximize it. I see no problems with that.
 
Can Bud be traded having signed the franchise tag? If so, might be worth exploring what they could get for him. I'd take a two in a heartbeat or even a three in next years draft. They won't be able to sign him anyway. You have Watt, Cam, JuJu, Big Al to name a few. Plus you have Ben's enormous cap hit next year. If you can move him now, do so now. He's turned out to be nothing at all special.
 
Most of you follow players and their abilities much more than I do. I'm skeptical, although with nothing to back that up, that Bud picked up his game because it was a contract year. Again no proof, but it did happen.

Some players take time to develop and maybe that's all this is. Questions though, is Bud a student of the game, a work out warrior? Does he posses game smarts?

Not trying to intentionally knock the guy, if it took 4 years, it took 4 years, show another, then hope we're not all disappointed in year 6.

In fairness, last season he had a new coach after the team gave Coach Peezy his walking papers but I'm skeptical of giving someone big money or a long-term deal when they had one good season in their contract year.
 
Can Bud be traded having signed the franchise tag? If so, might be worth exploring what they could get for him. I'd take a two in a heartbeat or even a three in next years draft. They won't be able to sign him anyway. You have Watt, Cam, JuJu, Big Al to name a few. Plus you have Ben's enormous cap hit next year. If you can move him now, do so now. He's turned out to be nothing at all special.
At this point trading a player wouldn't make sense unless you get a semi comparable value in return. Otherwise you are opening hole with a position that has questionable depth to begin with.

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At this point trading a player wouldn't make sense unless you get a semi comparable value in return. Otherwise you are opening hole with a position that has questionable depth to begin with.

Also, unless he would be traded by July 15th--the deadline to reach a long-term deal--the compensation would dramatically decrease as teams would only be getting a one-year rental.
 
Bud has improved each year. He's a good pass defender and an excellent run defender. He improved in technique significantly last season, and it was why he was so productive. Bud can play, and we don't have another edge player that can run down Lamar from behind.
 
I'd be fine with it before he signed the tag. Sorry man a deal is a deal.

Prettu much. Since he signed, we can't get the money back.
Conversely, he can't get more this year after agreeing to it with his signature.

Maybe they rule in favor and make the Steelers pay him some more $$$ in the future?
 
Also, unless he would be traded by July 15th--the deadline to reach a long-term deal--the compensation would dramatically decrease as teams would only be getting a one-year rental




I think that's all we end up with as well.




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PS. Does anyone know WHat type "TAG" we put on him?




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I think that's all we end up with as well.

This will be Durpee's last year regardless because T.J. Watt's contract will be coming up and he's the better player by a long shot. They can't afford both. I'm pretty sure Bud will lose his grievance and if I'm the team I tell him to go **** himself and if he wants big money then string two seasons together playing like he deserves it and someone will pay him. Win-win.
 
I think that's all we end up with as well.

I don't think it's that simple. As it has already been pointed out, you move Dupree who takes his place in the lineup? They have no one that can offer what he does for the defense and the main reason the Steelers will contend this year is with elite defensive play combined with what will hopefully be a balanced offensive attack with a healthy Ben, Conner, and JuJu in the lineup. You take Dupree out and the rest of the defense will decline with less of a pass rush along with his ability to defend the run.
 
Bucks doughpree will have a heck of a season as he is looking for a mega contract, we better make the best out of the situation. He will give the team a great year and a comp 3rd round pick a year after.

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I don't think it's that simple. As it has already been pointed out, you move Dupree who takes his place in the lineup? They have no one that can offer what he does for the defense and the main reason the Steelers will contend this year is with elite defensive play combined with what will hopefully be a balanced offensive attack with a healthy Ben, Conner, and JuJu in the lineup. You take Dupree out and the rest of the defense will decline with less of a pass rush along with his ability to defend the run.




There is ONLY so much cap $$$$$$$ and it looks to be lowered next season. How do you fit everyone under the cap ?? BUD will be gone after this season.

We drafted a player and hopefully he can step in. We also have a couple in the wings waiting their turn. If we could keep BUD I'd be all for it but not at the expense of what he is going to cost in monetary and possible player cut costs.







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