Yeah he would not be a bad backup.
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Arian's system is so wacky and risk taking it is very hard to evaluate Winston correctly.
Look, here is Winston's HIGHLIGHTS from 2019.
There are some very good throws in there, but what I really want you to watch is WHERE the receivers are on some plays. How many guys are downfield. It's crazy. It's like watching Air Coryell (which is not necessarily a bad thing). The route combinations are ALL 3 guys vs. the the deep coverages that teams play (cover-2, cover-1, quarters, etc.). Everything Arians does, at the expense of EVERYTHING ELSE is to design pass routes to put pressure on opposing safeties. Doesn't matter if there are no safety outlets. Doessn't matter if the protection is breaking down or your O-linemen are losing battles.
Arians system does NOT work UNLESS he has those 3 deep guys confusing the safety coverages. That's why it's all or nothing. That's why I don't think it really works. From a fundamental pass theory, Arians is great. His route combinations vs. safeties is amazing. He comes up with some very innovative things. But he just can't design anything BUT THAT. And he doesn't adjust when things don't work.
I think Winston's arm talent is an A in this league. I really do. Granted he doesn't have the mobility you like nowadays. Or maybe the leadership or intangibles. But his arm is very good. Maybe top-third in the league.
I would love to see him in Pittsburgh because I think Roethlisberger improved fundamentally after Arians (including less INT's and sacks) and I think Winston could too. If you reduce Winston's INT's and sacks by 50%, I think you have a pretty good starting caliber player in this league. And certainly one that can play 3-4 games and keep close to 1.8 or 2.0 points per possession while Roethlisbrerger is out. He could also be a starter for a season if you draft/groom someone in the next 3-4 season AFTER Roethlisberger.
Getting him into the building might be very beneficial to both sides.
Look, here is Winston's HIGHLIGHTS from 2019.
There are some very good throws in there, but what I really want you to watch is WHERE the receivers are on some plays. How many guys are downfield. It's crazy. It's like watching Air Coryell (which is not necessarily a bad thing). The route combinations are ALL 3 guys vs. the the deep coverages that teams play (cover-2, cover-1, quarters, etc.). Everything Arians does, at the expense of EVERYTHING ELSE is to design pass routes to put pressure on opposing safeties. Doesn't matter if there are no safety outlets. Doessn't matter if the protection is breaking down or your O-linemen are losing battles.
Arians system does NOT work UNLESS he has those 3 deep guys confusing the safety coverages. That's why it's all or nothing. That's why I don't think it really works. From a fundamental pass theory, Arians is great. His route combinations vs. safeties is amazing. He comes up with some very innovative things. But he just can't design anything BUT THAT. And he doesn't adjust when things don't work.
I think Winston's arm talent is an A in this league. I really do. Granted he doesn't have the mobility you like nowadays. Or maybe the leadership or intangibles. But his arm is very good. Maybe top-third in the league.
I would love to see him in Pittsburgh because I think Roethlisberger improved fundamentally after Arians (including less INT's and sacks) and I think Winston could too. If you reduce Winston's INT's and sacks by 50%, I think you have a pretty good starting caliber player in this league. And certainly one that can play 3-4 games and keep close to 1.8 or 2.0 points per possession while Roethlisbrerger is out. He could also be a starter for a season if you draft/groom someone in the next 3-4 season AFTER Roethlisberger.
Getting him into the building might be very beneficial to both sides.
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Duck and Rudolph didn't even know which way to slide in the pocket, i would take Winston in a heartbeat (if he takes a cheap prove it contract)
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That’s the problem. He likely wants to start and starters money. I doubt he signs for less that 7 million guaranteed. I’d rather draft someone and let the top 2 behind Roethlisberger make the team. I wouldn’t put too much into the pick either because I feel Rudolph, Lynch and Duck have a pretty good head start and the draft pick might benefit from a year on the practice squad.
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7 were not his fault. 23 were his fault on the throws not being touched by his team first. 12 of those 23 were DBs stepping in front of the receiver just before the catch.
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Man after watching that I want him even less. But I know it isn't game tape so I won't be too ridiculous with it. But he was highly inaccurate and wasn't reading defenses.
But seriously this wouldn't be the clips to watch to actually want him on the team. Lulz it was bad...really bad.
But seriously this wouldn't be the clips to watch to actually want him on the team. Lulz it was bad...really bad.
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Man after watching that I want him Never. He sucks. Throws too high, too short, too far in front, too far behind, too soft.
Pat Kirwan said he had Lasix surgery; and felt that could help? Who the **** knows? Money talks no matter what the interest level is
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For some reason I couldn't get the video to play but believe me I'll take ALL YOU GUY's word for it. There is a reason 31+my interceptions and it isn't all blamed on scheme / other players / coaching........... Somewhere the thrower has to take accountability.
Pass and not a football type pass.
There is always hope he can improve ect ect......... BUT BEN is retiring end this or end next season so we need a high talented draft pick to fall in line and not some all ready shown & proven interception King.
ALSO, the money will NEVER line up.
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Pass and not a football type pass.
There is always hope he can improve ect ect......... BUT BEN is retiring end this or end next season so we need a high talented draft pick to fall in line and not some all ready shown & proven interception King.
ALSO, the money will NEVER line up.
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Can we put this idea about Winston to rest? Filliponi is a click bait martyr.
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Ha, I don't. Most of those 7 popped straight up in the air after hitting his receivers solidly in the hands. I also saw his highlight reel and one of his TDs should have been an INT. It popped straight up in the air and was caught by another receiver that wasn't the intended target.
He does take chances forcing it into double and triple coverage, but that's also why he had so many TDs. Some of those throws he was threading the needle.
You might have to go to youtube directly to watch it.
only way TB had options to point pts up with thier lousy run game was try air it out to a monster Evans andd emerging Godwin, OJ Howard was very dissipointing consiently dropping easy passes.
With a good new QB coachand with winston having no mkt value not approached by anyone how can it hurt to inquire what his asking price is at his age if his flaws are corrected he has the athlethic ability of a young ben as well as arm, he just needs a steady run game and patience to not ttry to be brett favre by forcing passes. Lets say we can get him on a 1 year vet Bbase deal with say about 400 K in roster incentives how can it hurt us those incentives would I would put
- not be late to any team meetings
- off field 0 tolerence
- beat out Hodges, Lynch and Rudolph.
With how tight we are vs the cap I would believe someone will give cam a 1 year 2.5-4 mill deal if that team cant get thier qb or if there is any set back. so offering and trying to settle around 1.5-1.75 cant hurt
With a good new QB coachand with winston having no mkt value not approached by anyone how can it hurt to inquire what his asking price is at his age if his flaws are corrected he has the athlethic ability of a young ben as well as arm, he just needs a steady run game and patience to not ttry to be brett favre by forcing passes. Lets say we can get him on a 1 year vet Bbase deal with say about 400 K in roster incentives how can it hurt us those incentives would I would put
- not be late to any team meetings
- off field 0 tolerence
- beat out Hodges, Lynch and Rudolph.
With how tight we are vs the cap I would believe someone will give cam a 1 year 2.5-4 mill deal if that team cant get thier qb or if there is any set back. so offering and trying to settle around 1.5-1.75 cant hurt
I came up with 5 or maybe 6...and one of those was way behind the receiver, but since the guy got one hand on it I counted it. A couple of others may have hit the receiver or it could have been off the defender that was on the guys hip...
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I don't think anybody here is say absolutely don't do what you are saying. I think most here feel the amount of money he merits out weights the benefit of return. I'd bet the STEELERS already know an asking price, people talk off record all the time.
After the DRAFT is when a team will make their move on him and I'd bet it's more than 1.5-1.7 mil.
Another thing, the time you invest in Famous Jamis is the time taken away from current or yet to be drafted QB that may have way more potential. Also Jamis would possibly delay a QB in the next draft and yet still not be worth a crap.
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Winston is #13 on the all-time list, a phenomenal stat for a potential backup quarterback. Ben is #10.
I'd rather see what Canada can do with Paxton Lynch than sign Winston.
Why the Steelers shouldn’t sign Jameis Winston
Matthew SchmidtApril 3, 2020
The Pittsburgh Steelers have recently been named as a potential free-agent destination for quarterback Jameis Winston, and on the surface, it makes sense.
Ben Roethlisberger is 38 years old and is coming off of a 2019 campaign in which he played just two games due to an elbow injury, and Mason Rudolph and Devlin Hodges do not exactly inspire much confidence behind him.
Even if Roethlisberger bounces back and plays well in 2020, you have to figure that the end is near for the veteran, who has sustained a rather dubious amount of injuries throughout his NFL career.
Winston is just 26 years old, so he could serve as the heir to Roethlisberger and take over once he retires (or if he gets injured again next season).
But it just isn’t a great idea.
Winston has been in the NFL since 2015 and has yet to show any signs of real progression.
Yes, he led the league in passing yards and threw 33 touchdowns this past season, but he also racked up 30 interceptions, making him the first player in history to throw 30 touchdowns and 30 picks in the same year.
That isn’t a great distinction.
Winston has a big arm, no doubt, and he possesses some mobility, but the accuracy just isn’t there, and he clearly has significant trouble reading defenses.
We can say what want about Winston potentially being a new man after undergoing LASIK eye surgery earlier this offseason, but it wasn’t his eyesight that was the biggest reason for his lack of success over his first five years in the NFL.
Do the Steelers really want to hitch their wagon to Winston moving forward?
They might not have any better options right now. Not as far as the eye can see, anyway. Maybe Rudolph has some potential, but he was playing so poorly late in 2019 that he was benched in favor of Hodges, who went undrafted. Sure, Rudolph ultimately won his job back before going down with a shoulder injury, but supplanting Hodges is not exactly a major accomplishment (especially when Hodges displaced him to begin with).
But there is this thing called the NFL Draft that Pittsburgh can turn to if it wants to find a successor for Roethlisberger. It doesn’t even have to be this year. The Steelers could attempt to find a quarterback in 2021.
Whatever the case may be, we have seen enough of Winston to glean that he will probably never be anything more than an inconsistent signal-caller who can display flashes of brilliance sometimes while making you raise your eyebrows and scratch your head at other times.
Pittsburgh would be better off just scouring the draft pools and/or potentially waiting for another young quarterback to become available before signing Winston.
And yes, the Steelers can just sign Winston for one year on a prove-it deal. But again, unless Roethlisberger gets hurt or falls off a cliff, Winston wouldn’t see the field. And even if he does play a few games and looks good, is a few good games from Winston enough to convince the Steelers he can be their quarterback of the future?
There will likely be other, more fruitful avenues for Pittsburgh to explore.
Why the Steelers shouldn’t sign Jameis Winston
Matthew SchmidtApril 3, 2020
The Pittsburgh Steelers have recently been named as a potential free-agent destination for quarterback Jameis Winston, and on the surface, it makes sense.
Ben Roethlisberger is 38 years old and is coming off of a 2019 campaign in which he played just two games due to an elbow injury, and Mason Rudolph and Devlin Hodges do not exactly inspire much confidence behind him.
Even if Roethlisberger bounces back and plays well in 2020, you have to figure that the end is near for the veteran, who has sustained a rather dubious amount of injuries throughout his NFL career.
Winston is just 26 years old, so he could serve as the heir to Roethlisberger and take over once he retires (or if he gets injured again next season).
But it just isn’t a great idea.
Winston has been in the NFL since 2015 and has yet to show any signs of real progression.
Yes, he led the league in passing yards and threw 33 touchdowns this past season, but he also racked up 30 interceptions, making him the first player in history to throw 30 touchdowns and 30 picks in the same year.
That isn’t a great distinction.
Winston has a big arm, no doubt, and he possesses some mobility, but the accuracy just isn’t there, and he clearly has significant trouble reading defenses.
We can say what want about Winston potentially being a new man after undergoing LASIK eye surgery earlier this offseason, but it wasn’t his eyesight that was the biggest reason for his lack of success over his first five years in the NFL.
Do the Steelers really want to hitch their wagon to Winston moving forward?
They might not have any better options right now. Not as far as the eye can see, anyway. Maybe Rudolph has some potential, but he was playing so poorly late in 2019 that he was benched in favor of Hodges, who went undrafted. Sure, Rudolph ultimately won his job back before going down with a shoulder injury, but supplanting Hodges is not exactly a major accomplishment (especially when Hodges displaced him to begin with).
But there is this thing called the NFL Draft that Pittsburgh can turn to if it wants to find a successor for Roethlisberger. It doesn’t even have to be this year. The Steelers could attempt to find a quarterback in 2021.
Whatever the case may be, we have seen enough of Winston to glean that he will probably never be anything more than an inconsistent signal-caller who can display flashes of brilliance sometimes while making you raise your eyebrows and scratch your head at other times.
Pittsburgh would be better off just scouring the draft pools and/or potentially waiting for another young quarterback to become available before signing Winston.
And yes, the Steelers can just sign Winston for one year on a prove-it deal. But again, unless Roethlisberger gets hurt or falls off a cliff, Winston wouldn’t see the field. And even if he does play a few games and looks good, is a few good games from Winston enough to convince the Steelers he can be their quarterback of the future?
There will likely be other, more fruitful avenues for Pittsburgh to explore.
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