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Like on what planet would you not say we gotta go with Warren. Is he in that bad a shape he can't just take over. I thought he was hurt but never mentioned after game. He had a 3.5 yard average but he had like 6 carries. So the short yardage that no one had a chance. Not one pass. And insult to injury lard *** Cordorell Patterson goes in during crunch time. You can distill everything else down to this. If he cannot see that. He is simply not fit to run this team.
 
I think when they went briefly with Patterson, Najee was still being evaluated and had gone back to the locker room. He did come back out to finish the game. And, I believe Warren actually got banged up. I remember seeing him very slow to get up and the next series Patterson was in the game.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Like on what planet would you not say we gotta go with Warren. Is he in that bad a shape he can't just take over. I thought he was hurt but never mentioned after game. He had a 3.5 yard average but he had like 6 carries. So the short yardage that no one had a chance. Not one pass. And insult to injury lard *** Cordorell Patterson goes in during crunch time. You can distill everything else down to this. If he cannot see that. He is simply not fit to run this team.
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I may be the only one here that believes in Harris but I truly do not understand what the problem with him is. I saw him run very hard last night. Warren averaged a half yard a carry more than Harris and couldn't get one yard to move the sticks on 4th down.

They posted a stat at the beginning of the game of how Harris is the only back in the last four years to achieve 1000 or more yards ALL four years. there was also another stat they posted about him that was positive, I just can;t remember what it was.

Najee is averaging 4.0 yards a game and Jaylen is averaging 4.3 yards. Najee has 6 TD's and Jaylen has 1. I just do not get where anyone thinks Warren should be the premier back. You also have to consider that Warren gets most of his caries AFTER Harris has pounded the defense.

please don't take this as calling you out on this I am not as there are a lot of people that see things they way you do. I just must be a little slow because I still think Harris is the better back and gives us the better chance.
 
Fortunately Minkah had a great game.
He had a couple tackles and I saw him on the screen a couple other times, so I know he impacted at least 4-5 plays.

And he had that ball-hawk int!

Oops, that was Beanie, again.
 
warriors42 said:
I may be the only one here that believes in Harris but I truly do not understand what the problem with him is. I saw him run very hard last night. Warren averaged a half yard a carry more than Harris and couldn't get one yard to move the sticks on 4th down.

They posted a stat at the beginning of the game of how Harris is the only back in the last four years to achieve 1000 or more yards ALL four years. there was also another stat they posted about him that was positive, I just can;t remember what it was.

Najee is averaging 4.0 yards a game and Jaylen is averaging 4.3 yards. Najee has 6 TD's and Jaylen has 1. I just do not get where anyone thinks Warren should be the premier back. You also have to consider that Warren gets most of his caries AFTER Harris has pounded the defense.

please don't take this as calling you out on this I am not as there are a lot of people that see things they way you do. I just must be a little slow because I still think Harris is the better back and gives us the better chance.
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100% agree. Warren compliments Harris. But he has never had to take the team on his back like Harris does.
 
Everytime Warren goes into the game he does something. Najee wouod have lost 4 on that short yardage and no back was making that. None. He is way more dynamic in space. I don't know if he is a feature back for whole season but I'd sure as hell like to find out. Averages are tough when you get six carries. One two yard and that impossible 4th and short skew everything.
 
One last thing. Franco had six seasons where he averaged 4 yards a carry or more and ended up with an over all average of 4.1 yards a carry. Jerome had 4 years where he averaged 4 yards a carry or more and ended up with a overall average of 3.9 yards a carry.

Najee has been in the league for four years and has had two years with a 4.0 and 4,1 yards a carry average and an overall average of 3.9 yards a carry. there is no doubt that Franco and Jerome were two of the best to ever play and both are in the HOF. Harris is right there with both of them and some want him sitting in favor of Warren. I still don't get where people think Najee is not the back we need. especially running behind the line he has had for the last four years.

Side note Le'veon bell averaged 4.1 yards a carry overall also. so in my minds eye Najee is right there with the best this team has ever had. Not saying he is Franco or Jerome but his numbers are right there with both of them. Also NON of them rushed for a thousand yards in all of their first four years.
 
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Because his style absolutely does nothing for this team. When he breaks one it's 15 yards. Basic narrative. He gets stuffed on first down or worse they are incomplete on first down. Series lost. He would have been good with Ben at height of his game. He is Henry but his longest is 15 yards where Henry gets one for 30 a game.
 
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If they would let him run up and take the handoff rather than pitching the ball 7 yards behind the LOS to him he might have better numbers.
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That toss play needed to be thrown out of the playbook a long time ago. I'd love to see that stats on YPC because it has to be awful.
 
Litos said:
Pruitt and Patterson seeing playing time is quite the mystery when there are better options in the roster.
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Don’t leave out the other ATL reject Van Jefferson

276 yards and 2 TDs as a WR2, you can’t even make this type of **** up
 
Shades' depth chart is often based on draft position and salary rather than performance.
Pedigree and things of that nature, globally speaking, obviously.
 
I've been saying this. Najee is the workhorse who wears down the D. Warren has different runs and throws when he is in the game. He has been good but has more fumble concerns and I have always been concerned about trying to have him do what he does for an entire game or multiple games. I think he needs to be in a committee backfield as he has been and won't succeed for very long as a lead back. Maybe he will prove me wrong but my guess is they will let Najee walk and sign Warren to a reasonable contract. They will then look to draft another back in a middle round and have him come in to be part of the next 2-headed monster. I just did a mock and snagged Penn State's Singleton in round 4. He is good size, powerful and has very good speed. He can also catch the ball out of the backfield. We need true break away speed back there and he has it.
 
warriors42 said:
I may be the only one here that believes in Harris but I truly do not understand what the problem with him is. I saw him run very hard last night. Warren averaged a half yard a carry more than Harris and couldn't get one yard to move the sticks on 4th down.

They posted a stat at the beginning of the game of how Harris is the only back in the last four years to achieve 1000 or more yards ALL four years. there was also another stat they posted about him that was positive, I just can;t remember what it was.

Najee is averaging 4.0 yards a game and Jaylen is averaging 4.3 yards. Najee has 6 TD's and Jaylen has 1. I just do not get where anyone thinks Warren should be the premier back. You also have to consider that Warren gets most of his caries AFTER Harris has pounded the defense.

please don't take this as calling you out on this I am not as there are a lot of people that see things they way you do. I just must be a little slow because I still think Harris is the better back and gives us the better chance.
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I think he leads in yards after contact per carry if memory serves. He also get several opportunities for yac as he is frequently hit in the backfield as a combination of poor blocking, his lack of great vision/anticipation and lack of burst creates many of these opportunities.

If he could eliminate the lateral plays where he tries to run away from contact and out run defenders to the sideline I have a feeling he’d be at about 4.2 or 4.3 ypc. He seems reluctant to hit the hole with authority at times bypassing 3-4 yards in an effort to run to the sideline and trying to outrun the D.

When he runs with an edge and stays north south he can look dominant, problem is he doesn’t always run with that chip on his shoulder and frequently forgets he isn’t a speed back. Thats the frustrating part.

In comparison to Bell you have to look at apples vs apples as Bell’s late career lowered his average ypc drastically. Through 4 years Bell was at 4.67 ypc, significantly higher than Najee…just saying.

The eye test will certainly show Bell as the more effective back first four years, but Najee has him in the availability ability.
 
warriors42 said:
Side note Le'veon bell averaged 4.1 yards a carry overall also. so in my minds eye Najee is right there with the best this team has ever had. Not saying he is Franco or Jerome but his numbers are right there with both of them. Also NON of them rushed for a thousand yards in all of their first four years.
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Bell was so much better than Najee. 4.3 YPC for the Steelers, a season 4.7 and two with 4.9. He was also an absolute weapon as a receiver.
 
TDX27 said:
I've been saying this. Najee is the workhorse who wears down the D. Warren has different runs and throws when he is in the game. He has been good but has more fumble concerns and I have always been concerned about trying to have him do what he does for an entire game or multiple games. I think he needs to be in a committee backfield as he has been and won't succeed for very long as a lead back. Maybe he will prove me wrong but my guess is they will let Najee walk and sign Warren to a reasonable contract. They will then look to draft another back in a middle round and have him come in to be part of the next 2-headed monster. I just did a mock and snagged Penn State's Singleton in round 4. He is good size, powerful and has very good speed. He can also catch the ball out of the backfield. We need true break away speed back there and he has it.
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Najee and Warren are a great duo and the Steelers will need to get a back to complement Warren next season. It's a really good running back class, but if we want a pure football player and workhorse back, Cam Skattebo will be a name to watch and unless he runs a crazy 40, he seems to be rated as a third-round prospect right now.
 
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