Muslim Brotherhood Flees Londonistan

[JupiterBnG]

I never gave the Catholics much thought until 9/11. Then the more I learned about it the more I learned that there is a very large group of people within a very large religion who are dedicated to molesting children or covering it up.

Isn't moral relativism fun? I don't condone the violence perpetrated by Muslims any more than I condone child rapes committed by Catholic priests. But if there really was a "large" group among muslims bent on the violent subjugation of other cultures, the level of violence would have already escalated to the point of the rest of the world declaring open war on Islam in general. I know that's what you would love to see happen in any case, but I think your suggestion that all Muslims are bent on world domination is as much hyperbole as me saying that every Catholic priest is a closet pedophile.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Isn't moral relativism fun? I don't condone the violence perpetrated by Muslims any more than I condone child rapes committed by Catholic priests. But if there really was a "large" group among muslims bent on the violent subjugation of other cultures, the level of violence would have already escalated to the point of the rest of the world declaring open war on Islam in general. I know that's what you would love to see happen in any case, but I think your suggestion that all Muslims are bent on world domination is as much hyperbole as me saying that every Catholic priest is a closet pedophile.

Then you are a moron who doesn't know a ******* thing about Islam.
Welcome to SN, sport.

 

[Vader]

You're reversing the problem. I'm not saying the religion causes evil behavior, I'm saying evil behavior is justified using religion. If you want to make your argument, then you have to concede that Islam is not "evil" it's just being used by a few bad people to do bad things. I would likewise say that Christianity, Judaism, and most other religions can be shown to be subject to the same kind of abuse, even today. I'm just saying that Islam is at the forefront right now, and if it were removed from the equation, another religion would bubble to the top in terms of how it's perceived to be perpetrating "evil." For instance, child abuse coverups in the Catholic Church, or Hobby Lobby using Christian doctrine to push a certain social policy agenda, or all of Scientology.

No, you obviously don't understand the difference between one religion preaching, teaching and condoning killing people and other religions NOT teaching that. Yes, anyone can use any reason to do anything. Also you obviously are saying religion is causing evil behavior. Remember this?

I understand your arguments and agree, but if Islam ceased to exist today, another religion would pick up where it left off tomorrow. The problem, in general, is religion, not which religion.

So you are blaming religion even if you are trying to back track now. The fact is that right now ONE religion is preaching and teaching it's members to kill people. I also notice you didn't put atheism in there. Wonder why? Even though we have a person who used it as an excuse to kill and eat people.

 

[hamster]

Please show me where I said YOU said that.

Yeah, I didn't think so. Guess what, Corky, no one said it. It is made up bullshit, like most libtard causes. If you want to play in this sandbox, you better leave the made up **** at home, and come with facts.

 

[JupiterBnG]

But I am saying it......islam and the koran do in fact cause evil behavior. It calls muslims to perpetrate many evil acts in the name of mohammed. It is not "just a few people."

And Hobby Lobby's owners have certain beliefs that they hold dear. They have the right to hold those beliefs and live their lives according to them. If anyone can be accused of pushing a social policy it is those with whom they disagree.

Yeah, I didn't think so. Guess what, Corky, no one said it. It is made up bullshit, like most libtard causes. If you want to play in this sandbox, you better leave the made up **** at home, and come with facts.

Like I said, I didn't say YOU said, but that doesn't mean it wasn't said by someone else in this thread.

 

[Vincent]

It is a massively difficult thing to get your head around how ordinary people allowed the Holocaust. the German people were ordinary people just like us, and if we don't believe that they will be doing to them what they did to the Jews, ascribing a racist characteristic just to Germans that is unique to them. We should all be grown-up enough to know that it was humanity doing it to another parcel of humanity.

Its massively difficult to follow your thoughts, but I'll try to parse some something from them.

Yes, those Germans were ordinary people "just like us". And just like us, they were seduced by a "national socialism" presented by to them by a deeply flawed homosexual that had emerged from the sewers. No, it is not "massively difficult thing to get (one's) head around how ordinary people allowed the Holocaust". Not at all. Our homosexual and his followers behave eerily the same as the previous homosexual his followers. I have no doubt that if ours was allowed the same powers as theirs that the results would be the same of worse. Outrageous? We've already exterminated 55+ million of our own children. It isn't a stretch to imagine what we'd do to people we don't like.

We ascribe 6 million Jewish deaths to those "ordinary" Germans, while blissfully ignoring the "other" 14+ million they exterminated in the same camps, the vast majority of which were Catholics, Lutherans, Orthodox, and "Evangelicals". And to be "fair", a few fanooks. Just as eerie, those 14+ million were the identical demographics that our homosexual and his followers vilify and marginalize at every opportunity. "Camps"? No stretch at all.

There are examples of it in our lifetime include Rwanda etc... where massacres of quite extraordinary brutality take place. And for each one of these genocidal moments it was preceded by language used again and again and again to dehumanize the person that had to be killed in the political eyes of their enemies. In the 1930s the Jews were vermin, were rats, were lice, were Untermenshen and Paresiten. They were anything but a human being. Start to think of someone you don't like very much for whatever reason anyway in these terms you start to get to thinking they're not actually human. Then it becomes possible it seem to do things to them that would otherwise be considered inhumane.

Searching for a point here.

The extremist in Islam do this and it should be combated. The extremists in the US do it too.

Oh, that was your point. But, wait, "extremists in the US do it too"?? What extremists? Who has slaughtered millions, aside from people that have killed their children? You've lost me again.

The problem is the tribalism, the treatment of others as lessers and the religious doctrines that give people cover. We all want Muslims to condemn the bad things done in the name of Islam. We should all condemn the same behavior here.

"the same behavior here"??? Some twink is smudging your Ipad again counselor. Or it that you?

 

[JupiterBnG]

Oh, that was your point. But, wait, "extremists in the US do it too"?? What extremists? Who has slaughtered millions, aside from people that have killed their children? You've lost me again.

So Christians who murder abortion clinic workers or Catholic priests who diddle little boys are not "extremists?" You're going on record as saying those are moderate positions held by American Christians?

And if you're about to argue that there's a difference between muslim terrorists and priests molesting altar boys, I'll relate the old anecdote where a man asks a woman if she would sleep with someone for a million dollars, and she says yes. Then he asks if she would do it for a hundred dollars. Her response is, "what kind of woman do you think I am?" And he says, "I thought we'd already established that you're a *****, now we're just haggling over the price."

 

[Ron Burgundy]

So Christians who murder abortion clinic workers or Catholic priests who diddle little boys are not "extremists?"

Christians who murder abortion clinic workers are extremists. The murder count totals three if I recall correctly.
Catholic priests who diddle little boys are not extremists because their religion does not tell them to do that. They are pedophiles. There are pedophiles both heterosexual and homosexual in all walks of life including Penn State football coaches.
Muslims are murderous primitives because their religion DOES tell them to kill people. The murderous primitives are not extremists, they are simply following their holy book. The ones who do not go around blowing up Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and any other non-Muslims are either not very devout or just waiting on the word to do something. The terrorist aspect transcends racial and ethnic lines because it isn't just middle easterners. The same terrorism against other religions and western society goes on in Russia, Chechnya (Boston Marathon bombers were Chechnians), Maylasia, and Indonesia. The D.C. Beltway snipers were Muslim African-Americans. The common thread is Islam.

 

[Vincent]

So Christians who murder abortion clinic workers or Catholic priests who diddle little boys are not "extremists?" You're going on record as saying those are moderate positions held by American Christians?

And if you're about to argue that there's a difference between muslim terrorists and priests molesting altar boys, I'll relate the old anecdote where a man asks a woman if she would sleep with someone for a million dollars, and she says yes. Then he asks if she would do it for a hundred dollars. Her response is, "what kind of woman do you think I am?" And he says, "I thought we'd already established that you're a *****, now we're just haggling over the price."

You're trying to make the equivalent of the anecdotal with the 1400 year muslim legacy of rape, sodomy, pedophilia, and societal mayhem?

You've heard of karma? Call it reciprocity, or whatever you want. An "industry" that has the blood of 55 million (here alone) children on its hands is going to experience some "collateral damage"..... even before their richly deserved eternal reward. And as abhorrent as pedophilia is among priests, it isn't representative of the priesthood or the church. It is representative of the offenders.

You seem unable to draw a distinction between a mafia that exhorts its followers to rape men, women, children and brutalize all around them, including their own, and a religion whose followers themselves are victims of the former.

 

[JupiterBnG]

You're trying to make the equivalent of the anecdotal with the 1400 year muslim legacy of rape, sodomy, pedophilia, and societal mayhem?

You've heard of karma? Call it reciprocity, or whatever you want. An "industry" that has the blood of 55 million (here alone) children on its hands is going to experience some "collateral damage"..... even before their richly deserved eternal reward. And as abhorrent as pedophilia is among priests, it isn't representative of the priesthood or the church. It is representative of the offenders.

You seem unable to draw a distinction between a mafia that exhorts its followers to rape men, women, children and brutalize all around them, including their own, and a religion whose followers themselves are victims of the former.

Nope, I'm saying we're talking about degrees. I agree that there is an element within Islam that is responsible for many horrors. I'm simply saying that if you could make Islam disappear tomorrow, there would be other horrors cloaked in other religions that would come to the forefront. Would they be lesser horrors? Only in the context of the greater horrors. YOU tell a child molested by a Catholic priest and then treated by the Vatican like a prostitute whose forgiveness can be bought that his suffering is less significant than someone else's because he had the great good fortune to be raped by a Catholic rather than a muslim.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

It didn't take Vis long to come up with a second screen name on the new board.

 

[Vincent]

It didn't take Vis long to come up with a second screen name on the new board.

Sounds like Stuart.

Vis has returned to his haunt after his ban.

 

[Rod Farva]

Yes, the grass is always greener on your side...

Please show me where I said that.

Please show me where I said YOU said that.

Like I said, I didn't say YOU said, but that doesn't mean it wasn't said by someone else in this thread.

Alrighty then.....show me where I said it.

Nope, I'm saying we're talking about degrees. I agree that there is an element within Islam that is responsible for many horrors. I'm simply saying that if you could make Islam disappear tomorrow, there would be other horrors cloaked in other religions that would come to the forefront. Would they be lesser horrors? Only in the context of the greater horrors. YOU tell a child molested by a Catholic priest and then treated by the Vatican like a prostitute whose forgiveness can be bought that his suffering is less significant than someone else's because he had the great good fortune to be raped by a Catholic rather than a muslim.

Don't let your foot slip off the pedal......when you're going backwards that can happen and result in a nasty shin bruise.

 

[hamster]

Nope, I'm saying we're talking about degrees. I agree that there is an element within Islam that is responsible for many horrors. I'm simply saying that if you could make Islam disappear tomorrow, there would be other horrors cloaked in other religions that would come to the forefront. Would they be lesser horrors? .

You started with that assertion, and you have done nothing in this thread to prove it. You attempted to make a moral equivalency case with no facts to back it up. At the same time,it is proven that one religion's doctrine demands violent supremacy over others, while other religions don't, yet you fail to accept the facts. Then you resort to some sort of illogical degree based defense.

Ya got anything else?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

You started with that assertion, and you have done nothing in this thread to prove it. You attempted to make a moral equivalency case with no facts to back it up. At the same time,it is proven that one religion's doctrine demands violent supremacy over others, while other religions don't, yet you fail to accept the facts. Then you resort to some sort of illogical degree based defense.

Ya got anything else?

Don't you know that the Pope instructs priests on how to ***-rape alter boys and the proper lube to use? The Vatican has a manual that they send out. You get a promotion after every 50 boys you rape. Jerry Sandusky became a priest after he retired from coaching football. Boosh crashed the planes into the WTC and Pentagon, not those peace-loving Muslims. JFC hamster, you just don't read the right blogs and websites.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

But...but...Catholic priests....

http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s...-a-pedophilia-afghanistan?cid=taboola_inbound

Just keeping it relative. LOL.

 

[JupiterBnG]

So, the fact that pedophilia happens elsewhere somehow diminishes the fact that not only have there been many priests accused of pedophilia, but the Catholic Church as an organization has closed ranks and tried to protect those priests?

You're making a better argument in favor of moral relativism than I am.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

So, the fact that pedophilia happens elsewhere somehow diminishes the fact that not only have there been many priests accused of pedophilia, but the Catholic Church as an organization has closed ranks and tried to protect those priests?

You're making a better argument in favor of moral relativism than I am.

No, you're simply showing everyone that you're not bright enough to know sarcasm when you see it.
Catholic church guilty of cover-ups? Sure. The difference is that nowhere in Catholic doctrine is pedophilia codified but in Islamic doctrine it is.
(Just an FYI, I'm not Catholic. Been to The Vatican though. There is a snack bar on the roof of St. Peter's Basilica.)

 

[hamster]

But...but...Catholic priests....

http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s...-a-pedophilia-afghanistan?cid=taboola_inbound

Just keeping it relative. LOL.

Just when I thought I would embrace this religion wholeheartedly, here you go ahead and ruin it for me. Thanks Ron.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Just when I thought I would embrace this religion wholeheartedly, here you go ahead and ruin it for me. Thanks Ron.

The part about not allowing women to drive isn't a bad idea though.

 

[hamster]

The part about not allowing women to drive isn't a bad idea though.

You have a point. Although maybe our legislature could pass that law without all the "kill the infidel" **** going along with it.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Today is the first anniversary of the day Presbyterian extremists set off bombs at the finish line of the Boston Marathon. Oh wait....