new 7 rounder to mock or curse.

[Superman]

Says the dude who brought up Jarvis Jones in a Kelvin Beachum discussion.

uh, no ma'am. that was TAS.
you really are an idiot, aren't you?

 

[Superman]

here you go, Idiot. the first guy who mentioned Jarvis Jones in a discussion about Beachum....TAS in post 39 of this very thread. Not too hard to do this research. I guess you left it off your spreadsheet.

You have no confidence in Beachum who actually got it done?

Weren't you seen riding the Jarvis Jones bandwagon? The guy that did nothing last year.

Maybe if you weren't so eager to ride my ****, you'd see that there are other posters on this message board who also contribute to discussions.

 

[Idioteque]

Guess so.

I may head to the other board for a few, just a heads up.

 

[ark steel]

It does when you're talking about the potential to grow and get stronger. For some reason, Beachum has reached his growth potential, while Jarvis is a muscle machine who will be a ripped 275 at 1% body fat next season.

As far as experience goes, let's consider that Jarvis is playing the exact same position he played in school, in the same scheme. Beachum has juggled three different positions on our line since being drafted from a small school. But Jarvis just needs a little seasoning, that's all.

Soon we'll find out, with authority, what NFL.com has to say about all of this.

Gotcha, had no idea you were talking about bulking up.

Also, had no idea that just because Georgia runs a 3-4 defensive scheme it was the same as that designed by a Hall of Fame coach with 50 years+ of NFL experience. I would grant that the learning curve might not be as steep, but I bet that the Georgia defense isn't the same and ours is enough different to grant a guy a year to learn.

When I changed jobs 6 years ago, I went to a firm that does the exact same thing my last job did. Different software. I'm smarter than your average NFL player. Took me a while to learn it.

I Also assume the Georgia trainers are equivalent to the Steelers?

 

[Idioteque]

Oh, facepalm the **** outta myself.

Jones "moved" from 3-4 ROLB to 3-4 ROLB. Beachum has moved from TE to RT to C to LT. I can't believe we're trying to compare their learning curves. Though I find it humorous/sad that, despite that, Beachum has contributed roughly 9000% of what Jarvis has.

I also didn't realize Beachum was in an NFL offense at SMU. Poor Jarvis, one of the few rookies forced to move from college to the pros. Just some seasoning! That's all.

 

[ark steel]

Oh, facepalm the **** outta myself.

Jones "moved" from 3-4 ROLB to 3-4 ROLB. Beachum has moved from TE to RT to C to LT. I can't believe we're trying to compare their learning curves. Though I find it humorous/sad that, despite that, Beachum has contributed roughly 9000% of what Jarvis has.

I also didn't realize Beachum was in an NFL offense at SMU. Poor Jarvis, one of the few rookies forced to move from college to the pros. Just some seasoning! That's all.

Someone compared beachums learning curve to Jarvis'?

I just talked about Jarvis' and gave a reasonable explanation as to why it might not be as easy as you armchair LBs seem to think.

 

[Idioteque]

Someone compared beachums learning curve to Jarvis'?

I just talked about Jarvis' and gave a reasonable explanation as to why it might not be as easy as you armchair LBs seem to think.

Yep, someone did. We were told that Beachum is a finished product in need of an upgrade, while Jarvis needs patience and seasoning to reach his potential. Yes, it looked just as silly when Stalkerman posted it.

Jarvis is allowed a learning curve, O Enlightened. But I saw strikingly little potential last season, so I've yet to convince myself he's going to be much better next season. Especially when I see younger, rawer, less experienced rookies flash significantly more every year.

 

[ark steel]

Yep, someone did. We were told that Beachum is a finished product in need of an upgrade, while Jarvis needs patience and seasoning to reach his potential. Yes, it looked just as silly when Stalkerman posted it.

Jarvis is allowed a learning curve, O Enlightened. But I saw strikingly little potential last season, so I've yet to convince myself he's going to be much better next season. Especially when I see younger, rawer, less experienced rookies flash significantly more every year.

Oh. Well I don't read his posts. If you do, you get what you deserve....

 

[ark steel]

IIRC, Beachum didn't show much his first year regardless of his learning curve. He didn't look good. At all. Nicknames like Benchhim were thrown around. He might have looked a little better by the end of the year (don't remember) but did you, honestly, think "that guy can hold down the LT spot for the next 5+ years.". Really? Even doing an adequate job last year, do you, really, think he is the answer? Seems unlikely you are OK with going into next season wilth "good enough" there.

 

[Superman]

IIRC, Beachum didn't show much his first year regardless of his learning curve. He didn't look good. At all. Nicknames like Benchhim were thrown around. He might have looked a little better by the end of the year (don't remember) but did you, honestly, think "that guy can hold down the LT spot for the next 5+ years.". Really? Even doing an adequate job last year, do you, really, think he is the answer? Seems unlikely you are OK with going into next season wilth "good enough" there.

dude, Idiot has spreadsheets and ****. STFU.

 

[Superman]

****, we have Landry Jones. Why would anyone want to draft Troy's replacement?

 

[Idioteque]

Beachum was a 7th who was forced into the lineup and drew plenty of praise for his unexpectedly solid play,

Jarvis was a 1st who played like a 7th.

To be fair, Stalkerman never explicitly stated that Jarvis needed more patience. I can see his hissy fit starting already. But it's fair to wonder why he's ready to pull the plug on the what-you-see-is-what-you-get Beachum, all while scolding those who criticize Jarvis.

 

[Superman]

"all while scolding those who criticize Jarvis"

really? I don't think I've ever gotten on the Jarvis bus. Nor have I thrown him under it. In fact, I've taken the wait and see scenario with him.

I also did not throw Beachum under the bus. I just said it would be nice to have a bigger, more athletic guy at LT than Beachum.
As you would say, Beachum is serviceable. Or, "just a guy".

I guess I should have a "hissy fit" like you and apologize for tainting the ultrasuperstellarsupreeeeeeme play of Beachum and thus insulting your delicate vagina.

 

[Idioteque]

IIRC, Beachum didn't show much his first year regardless of his learning curve. He didn't look good. At all. Nicknames like Benchhim were thrown around. He might have looked a little better by the end of the year (don't remember) but did you, honestly, think "that guy can hold down the LT spot for the next 5+ years.". Really? Even doing an adequate job last year, do you, really, think he is the answer? Seems unlikely you are OK with going into next season wilth "good enough" there.

I don't know about Beachum's future at LT. I wouldn't mind an upgrade.

Supe can fill you in on more of my opinions from the other Steeler board that he's followed me to.

 

[Superman]

and "Stalkerman"? seriously? from the guy who had to jump to the front of the line to ride my **** over something I didn't bring up?
really, Costner? I think you need to make another spreadsheet with advanced metrics so you can keep up with the **** that is said here.

 

[Superman]

I don't know about Beachum's future at LT. I wouldn't mind an upgrade.

you racist ****. how long have you been a member of the KKK?

 

[Idioteque]

"all while scolding those who criticize Jarvis"

really? I don't think I've ever gotten on the Jarvis bus. Nor have I thrown him under it. In fact, I've taken the wait and see scenario with him.

I also did not throw Beachum under the bus. I just said it would be nice to have a bigger, more athletic guy at LT than Beachum.
As you would say, Beachum is serviceable. Or, "just a guy".

I guess I could have a "hissy fit" like you and apologize for tainting the ultrasuperstellarsupreeeeeeme play of Beachum and thus insulting your delicate vagina.

As a child could clearly see, my issue wasn't with your take on Beachum, but with your whining over TAS' criticism of Jarvis. If you could call it criticism, that is. All he said was, "Jarvis has shown nothing, but Beachum has" which kickstarted your "Leave Jarvis alone!" shitfit.

 

[Idioteque]

and "Stalkerman"? seriously? from the guy who had to jump to the front of the line to ride my **** over something I didn't bring up?
really, Costner? I think you need to make another spreadsheet with advanced metrics so you can keep up with the **** that is said here.

Just make sure to paste me the NFL.com take on it.

 

[Superman]

going forward.

You know as in the future.

To clarify, I'd much rather have a bigger, more athletic guy manning the position in Ben's later years. I'm not saying Beachum is **** (as you are doing with Jarvis Jones, who happens to play on the other side of the goddamn ball at an entirely different position, btw, so this is not an apples to apples comparison). I'm just saying I'd much rather have a guy who could be very, very good over someone who is not going to get any better than he is right now. I'd also say that Kou is probably at Beachum's level presently, though could and should surpass him in the future. Which is what I would expect if I were to draft him. Though I'm not working up a spreadsheet to compare their arm lengths, height and weight, nor am I asking whose mother makes a better apple pie.

edited: I said "not a lot". that does not equate to "no confidence". no matter how you try to twist it.

Mr. Costner, you really need to develop some reading comprehension. In no way did I start defending Jarvis. I stayed on topic discussing Beachum.
YOU, on the other tab in the spreadsheet, then jumped on my **** over a reply made to TAS who brought Jarvis up. Not me.

 

[Idioteque]

Weird! I see Jarvis's name in your post, taking TAS to task for criticizing him. Then, I'm your next post, I see you defending Jarvis again, this time explaining why a 3-4 ROLB needs time to become even a decent 3-4 ROLB.

 

[Superman]

Weird! I see Jarvis's name in your post, taking TAS to task for criticizing him. Then, I'm your next post, I see you defending Jarvis again.

you dumb ************.
it wasnt until YOU kept on about Jarvis that I made a stance. Even then, I said I could understand the criticism.
What I did not know, and that you made it crystal ******* clear, was that every 3-4 defense in every facet of football is the exact same as the one that Dick LeBeau incorporates. EXACTLY the same. 11 guys. Same defense. Pee Wee, Middle School, High School, College...EXACTLY the same.

 

[Idioteque]

Someone is getting the vapors. Maybe log off from your several boards and take the night off?

Fact is, you begged justice for Jarvis in both those posts.

 

[ark steel]

As a child could clearly see, my issue wasn't with your take on Beachum, but with your whining over TAS' criticism of Jarvis. If you could call it criticism, that is. All he said was, "Jarvis has shown nothing, but Beachum has" which kickstarted your "Leave Jarvis alone!" shitfit.

So, you wouldn't call "XXX has shown nothing" as criticism? Interesting.

 

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2.46 Keith McGill, CB, Utah
3.97 Brandon Coleman WR, Rutgers
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5.173 Marquis Flowers OLB Arizona
6.192 Rashaad Reynolds CB Oregon State
6.215 Colt Lyerla TE OU
7.230 Tim Flanders, RB, Sam Houston

 

[insaniti]

So glad the board is back up and running, where else would I get to see Idiot take and leave what he wants from a post and claim to be right. The topic was Beachum, Supe tried to stay on topic, and still never went into a full on defend Jones mode. Trying to compare Jones and Beachum is retarded. Beachum will be entering his third year, Jones should be cut before his second...or at least that's how most of you think.

No one is saying Beachum is a finished product, but unless he is going to sprout 3-4" he is LIMITED as a LT in the NFL. I personally would rather have a TRUE LT protecting Ben so that Beachum can go back to being the main backup for the interior of the line.