Torturing these delicate flowers who threaten us and our very way of life is a small price to pay. If they are not American citizens, are on our soil attempting to harm us, what should stop us from hanging them? Morals?
Steel.. All good points.
I just don't like your jump to a conclusion that "Most Conservative Don't Have Principles". That doesn't make sense to me because it implies "Most Liberals Have Principles". And I see no evidence of that.
I think liberals and conservatives both have a lot of flaws. And I'm not convinced at all that the political left represents anything on the list above that much better than the political right. If anything, defending the Constitution as the greatest law of the land, is much more a politically "right" statement than the politically left. It's the politically left that wants the "law" to morph and change with the social and moral wind of the times and puts that power more and more into unelected judges rather than the "majority".
And while I can see the argument on both sides of that debate, it certainly isn't CLEAR which is better.
"Modern conservatism"
If that means that we can have a civil discussion, then, yes. If that means that I should sit idly by while some shitbag rapes, beats, harms or tries to kill one of my family or friends, then you can kindly shove your modern conservatism in your ***.
Torturing these delicate flowers who threaten us and our very way of life is a small price to pay. If they are not American citizens, are on our soil attempting to harm us, what should stop us from hanging them? Morals?
Torture is beneath us even when it can save American lives? I'm not talking about cutting off fingers or anything either.
Don't buy it.
Unless that "medical expert" was paid a shitload of money, I can't see a physician signing off on torturing people. The Hippocratic oath would prevent it.
Yes. It's beneath us. Bad guys torture. Good guys don't. We're the good guys, remember?
Having principles requires sacrifice. It means we don't stoop to their level. It means that if people have to die in order for us to maintain our principles then they die with their integrity intact.
I don't want anyone tortured in my name or for my sake. I'd hate to see my daughters die. And I can't say I wouldn't torture someone to save them. But I would be wrong to so. That's why cooler heads have to prevail. In the calm of peace we have to set ethical standards so in the heat of battle we don't lose our humanity.
You also need to consider the historical precedent of abuse of power. Power corrupts. You give law enforcement the power to torture and it WILL be abused. See Abu Ghraib. It is foolish to assume that every person you give this power to will wield it responsibly. We can hardly trust cops not to abuse tasers and pepper spray. Letting them torture people is a fantastically bad idea. So for both moral and practical reasons, torture is fundamentally un-American.
I like the idea of civil discussion. I wish more of it was had on this board.
But in your life, how many times has someone beat raped, or tried to kill you or your family? How often has a Muslim done it?
That's a serious question, made in the name of civil discussion.
Yes. It's beneath us. Bad guys torture. Good guys don't. We're the good guys, remember?
Having principles requires sacrifice. It means we don't stoop to their level. It means that if people have to die in order for us to maintain our principles then they die with their integrity intact.
I don't want anyone tortured in my name or for my sake. I'd hate to see my daughters die. And I can't say I wouldn't torture someone to save them. But I would be wrong to so. That's why cooler heads have to prevail. In the calm of peace we have to set ethical standards so in the heat of battle we don't lose our humanity.
You also need to consider the historical precedent of abuse of power. Power corrupts. You give law enforcement the power to torture and it WILL be abused. See Abu Ghraib. It is foolish to assume that every person you give this power to will wield it responsibly. We can hardly trust cops not to abuse tasers and pepper spray. Letting them torture people is a fantastically bad idea. So for both moral and practical reasons, torture is fundamentally un-American.
I think that it is beneath us to torture for the sake of some sicko getting their jollies. The pics with the crazy wench and the dog attacking the naked Muslim man were horrifying. Interrogations for the sake of our safety within some reasonable boundaries are quite another thing.
He has endangered this nation by opening our borders to illegal aliens, including violent criminals and terrorists, and has ignored our immigration laws. And he won't even acknowledge radical Islamic terrorism as a threat to us. And he gave nuclear weapons to a terrorist country who hates America. And he's trying to destroy our country financially. Not to mention a hundred other things. He's clearly the absolute worst president in our history.
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
I believe he was agreeing with you.
but ark is a weird ******, so...
I believe he was agreeing with you.
Interrogations for the sake of our safety within some reasonable boundaries are quite another thing.
Supe really needs to pare down his friends' list.
True friends can give each other a hard time without worries. You guys are a classic example of this.
George was a terrorist, so I buy that. If the Red Coats had crossed the Delaware in the wee hours of Christmas night and killed our troops in their sleep we'd be calling it a war crime. But because our side did it, it's a celebrated victory. That's Moral Relativism in a nutshell.
Are you trying to be wrong?
Washington attacked a uniformed enemy, during a war.
They were sleeping? Maybe they should have POSTED A ******* GUARD!!
Jesus, your comment is just ... dumb.
By far the most anti American president ever. His dead commie father must be proud.
By far the most anti American president ever. His dead commie father must be proud.