Offensive Problem Summed up in One Sentence

[Drink IRON City]

Wow that is horrible. Not a single pass even attempted over 10 yrds in the middle of the field. Is this Ben, Canada, both? Another thing I would like to see is Ben under center either I form or 2 TE sets. Use JuJu and DJ or JuJu and Claypool as the WRs. Get some extra blockers in there and help the Oline / run game

That's like football 101 so why can't our COACHING staff even attempt that? What is so special in their success to date thjat we can't alter and try different stratagies along the way. HELL other teams change multiple times durring one single game............... I know I see a lot of no success with continually doing the same thing and yes, to us fans (or anyone remotely sane) it gets old.





Salute the nation

 

[jitter77]

Would they? Because that T wouldn't have taken time to develop or gel? We already have three young prospects starting. Would another have made a difference? And who? The one T I liked went right before the Steelers picked. I am sure they were surprised Banner had a set back as well.

I think that is part of the problem of not drafting Oline. One injury and we have what we got now. The chiefs whole online is new and they are improved over the SB disaster. I have nothing against Harris at all, but if they were going to take an RB in round 1 we should have stocked up the Oline via free agency. Ben can not take 10 hits / game and he is already banged up. We do not have the talent to play the style they are playing right now.

 

[slashsteel]

I think that is part of the problem of not drafting Oline. One injury and we have what we got now. The chiefs whole online is new and they are improved over the SB disaster. I have nothing against Harris at all, but if they were going to take an RB in round 1 we should have stocked up the Oline via free agency. Ben can not take 10 hits / game and he is already banged up. We do not have the talent to play the style they are playing right now.

I thought when the second Banner went down/setback they should have been looking for a RT. So I am with ya on the free agency stock up. Felt the same way about corner and still do.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Would they? Because that T wouldn't have taken time to develop or gel? We already have three young prospects starting. Would another have made a difference? And who? The one T I liked went right before the Steelers picked. I am sure they were surprised Banner had a set back as well.

of course OL takes time to gel which is why you draft OL before you spend to get the RB. They should have loaded up on OL this year and then drafted the RB next year.

Looking back, they seem to have gotten very lucky that Green and Moore lasted as long as they did.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

on a side note, i think the steelers should inquire with the Jets about Denzel Mims. He's a former 1st rounder and a deep threat. He missed most of last year injured. This year the Jets are going with a shanahan like system and Mims does not fit. He was a healthy inactive week 2. Steelers need to stretch the field somehow.

 

[slashsteel]

of course OL takes time to gel which is why you draft OL before you spend to get the RB. They should have loaded up on OL this year and then drafted the RB next year.

Looking back, they seem to have gotten very lucky that Green and Moore lasted as long as they did.

You can load up in free agency just as well as the draft. They drafted a C and a T brought in two guards and a T. Thing is in regards to the draft you have so many needs you have to balance as well as draft value. For how well Moore is playing you can consider him that 1st round T. I don't fault them for their draft approach. They have 6 guys contributing. That is pretty outstanding on any given year. They just failed to bring adequate competition when Banner went down. I could make a case for every pick selected, not sure where they were squeezing in more Oline prospects.

 

[deljzc]

We always blame the draft, but the REAL problem is for the last 15 years the only way any part of the team got fixed was to throw 1st/2nd round picks at it.

You can't have 1st/2nd round picks everywhere. You sometimes have to get units to overperform their draft pedigree and we just never seem to have that happen. We do that at receiver, but no where else on the field.

We draft pretty well. A very high percentage of our 1st/2nd round picks over the last decade contribute. Certainly as much or more as compared to the great teams out there around the league. And it's STILL not enough to seem to plug the holes and get proper depth that when injuries hit we keep right on trucking along.

We just don't have the right mentality or attitude about 4th/5th/6th round picks. It's like we've already pre-determined they aren't going to turn into good players and that negativity ruins their possible development.

This is just the way the Steelers do it now and it's not working. It is a broken M.O. It's about how we see and fix problems with the roster. And it all falls on the shoulders of Tomlin and Colbert. No one else.

Their short-sighted, only fix a problem after in manifests itself approach is what has killed this team for a decade plus. There is not real anticipation of problems more than one season out.

We all know we're going to struggle this whole season (basically a wasted season again) because Najee Harris wasn't the magic man they planned. So we'll invest a 1st round pick into the O-line. It's arguably guaranteed regardless of who will be available during the draft or what Big Board exists. And there will be no plan for the potential issues coming down the pike at CB (which we are grossly not prepared for). And we'll likely chase potential secondary issues always a season too late rather than a season too early. And after the secondary, it might be the aging D-line. Again, always one season too late.

This is regardless of our play of QB, which is just deteriorating before our eyes. I'm taking that aspect of the team problems away right now.

 

[Punxsutawney]

We always blame the draft, but the REAL problem is for the last 15 years the only way any part of the team got fixed was to throw 1st/2nd round picks at it.

You can't have 1st/2nd round picks everywhere. You sometimes have to get units to overperform their draft pedigree and we just never seem to have that happen. We do that at receiver, but no where else on the field.

We draft pretty well. A very high percentage of our 1st/2nd round picks over the last decade contribute. Certainly as much or more as compared to the great teams out there around the league. And it's STILL not enough to seem to plug the holes and get proper depth that when injuries hit we keep right on trucking along.

We just don't have the right mentality or attitude about 4th/5th/6th round picks. It's like we've already pre-determined they aren't going to turn into good players and that negativity ruins their possible development.

This is just the way the Steelers do it now and it's not working. It is a broken M.O. It's about how we see and fix problems with the roster. And it all falls on the shoulders of Tomlin and Colbert. No one else.

Their short-sighted, only fix a problem after in manifests itself approach is what has killed this team for a decade plus. There is not real anticipation of problems more than one season out.

We all know we're going to struggle this whole season (basically a wasted season again) because Najee Harris wasn't the magic man they planned. So we'll invest a 1st round pick into the O-line. It's arguably guaranteed regardless of who will be available during the draft or what Big Board exists. And there will be no plan for the potential issues coming down the pike at CB (which we are grossly not prepared for). And we'll likely chase potential secondary issues always a season too late rather than a season too early. And after the secondary, it might be the aging D-line. Again, always one season too late.

This is regardless of our play of QB, which is just deteriorating before our eyes. I'm taking that aspect of the team problems away right now.

How many teams are truly looking more like than a year or two in advance in constructing their teams?

To me, it's not so much that Tomlin/Colbert do not address issues in advance, it's that it takes them forever to address them once they emerge.

The OL was crap for Tomlin's first six or seven years with the team, and the secondary was garbage throughout the entire Ben/Bell/Brown Killer B era, and was a big reason why it went to waste.

It still pisses me off that they were not able to build a decent secondary until 2019 when Bell and Brown were gone and Ben blew out his elbow.

 

[Hypocycloids]

When one man misses his block. Green needs to do a better job. He really blew it in the second analysis.

 

[steelreeling]

When one man misses his block. Green needs to do a better job. He really blew it in the second analysis.

agreed.

The thing is: for the players that the Steelers have on the OL, damn if they dont ask those guys to run in space a lot. Maybe Canada just decides to use a fullback and stop the outside-zone running? or maybe throw Ballage/McFarland in there alongside Najee so that the front 7 D cannot absolutely dial in there?

Unfortunately the ultimate problem has been stated on threads in here: We don't have a home-run threat on offense. not in receiver and not in RB as far as i see.

 

[SteelerFan448]

We just don't have the right mentality or attitude about 4th/5th/6th round picks. It's like we've already pre-determined they aren't going to turn into good players and that negativity ruins their possible development.

It does feel like the Steelers draft late-round guys to be at best a backup-caliber player. The one that drove me crazy this year was allowing Trey Smith to fall in the draft. I know he had some medical concerns, but he also had 1st-2nd round talent. Why not take a chance on a guy who could develop into a good starter at a position of need in the 4th or 5th rather than a guy who you want to play special teams.

 

[Drink IRON City]

We always blame the draft, but the REAL problem is for the last 15 years the only way any part of the team got fixed was to throw 1st/2nd round picks at it.

You can't have 1st/2nd round picks everywhere. You sometimes have to get units to overperform their draft pedigree and we just never seem to have that happen. We do that at receiver, but no where else on the field.

We draft pretty well. A very high percentage of our 1st/2nd round picks over the last decade contribute. Certainly as much or more as compared to the great teams out there around the league. And it's STILL not enough to seem to plug the holes and get proper depth that when injuries hit we keep right on trucking along.

We just don't have the right mentality or attitude about 4th/5th/6th round picks. It's like we've already pre-determined they aren't going to turn into good players and that negativity ruins their possible development.

This is just the way the Steelers do it now and it's not working. It is a broken M.O. It's about how we see and fix problems with the roster. And it all falls on the shoulders of Tomlin and Colbert. No one else.

Their short-sighted, only fix a problem after in manifests itself approach is what has killed this team for a decade plus. There is not real anticipation of problems more than one season out.

We all know we're going to struggle this whole season (basically a wasted season again) because Najee Harris wasn't the magic man they planned. So we'll invest a 1st round pick into the O-line. It's arguably guaranteed regardless of who will be available during the draft or what Big Board exists. And there will be no plan for the potential issues coming down the pike at CB (which we are grossly not prepared for). And we'll likely chase potential secondary issues always a season too late rather than a season too early. And after the secondary, it might be the aging D-line. Again, always one season too late.

This is regardless of our play of QB, which is just deteriorating before our eyes. I'm taking that aspect of the team problems away right now.

Politely said......................... see below my response

How many teams are truly looking more like than a year or two in advance in constructing their teams?

To me, it's not so much that Tomlin/Colbert do not address issues in advance, it's that it takes them forever to address them once they emerge.

The OL was crap for Tomlin's first six or seven years with the team, and the secondary was garbage throughout the entire Ben/Bell/Brown Killer B era, and was a big reason why it went to waste.

It still pisses me off that they were not able to build a decent secondary until 2019 when Bell and Brown were gone and Ben blew out his elbow.

COACHING, our coaching hasn't been able to elevate players. Awhile ago some player that mentioned in the Baltimore facilty coaches were always testing them in football knowledge. A player would be walking to enter a "drill" and that position coach would throw a question at him on the spot or step right up to him and show him a foot move to help or stuff of that nature.

I NEVER have heard anything of that sort about our coaches. The STEELERS organization has lost that ability to actually coach. You heard and seen it all the time under Cowher & Noll but never under Tomlin. I'm not saying he doesn't coach but its all the little things that are very apparent when we watch them play and those are the little things when cumulatively combined are what add up to being "COACHED" up.


COACHING is what is hurting this team. Injuries are immeadiate but the long haul has been coaching up players.






Salute the nation

 

[steelreeling]

Politely said......................... see below my response







COACHING, our coaching hasn't been able to elevate players. Awhile ago some player that mentioned in the Baltimore facilty coaches were always testing them in football knowledge. A player would be walking to enter a "drill" and that position coach would throw a question at him on the spot or step right up to him and show him a foot move to help or stuff of that nature.

I NEVER have heard anything of that sort about pour coaches. The STEELERS organization has lost that ability to actually coach. You heard and seen it all the time under Cowher & Noll but never under Tomlin. I'm not saying he doesn't coach but its all the little things that are very apparent when we watch them play and those are the little things when cumulatively combined are what add up to being "COACHED" up.


COACHING is what is hurting this team. Injuries are immeadiate but the long haul has been coaching up players.






Salute the nation

Ouch. fricken ouch.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

When one man misses his block. Green needs to do a better job. He really blew it in the second analysis.

so the run game is failing because guys often have mission impossible for their blocking assignments? How do you expect your C to run all the way down the line and block a DB in space? Then you want Gentry to get a reach block on a DE.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

What players have actually developed under Tomlin? Round 3 or later, i'd say only Mike Hilton.

 

[Hypocycloids]

so the run game is failing because guys often have mission impossible for their blocking assignments? How do you expect your C to run all the way down the line and block a DB in space? Then you want Gentry to get a reach block on a DE.

Yeah, I took that into account in the first example.

But in the second example it looks like it was all on Green.

 

[Steelr4evr]

this is huge.!

Funny isn't it. The Steelers defensive achilles heel for many years. Cover zero in the middle of the field.


Now our offense won't even go that way. All of these silly 3 yard passes to the sidelines. Which makes the receiver have to go from a dead stop while a defensive player is coming in near full speed.

 

[bigben]

How many teams are truly looking more like than a year or two in advance in constructing their teams?

To me, it's not so much that Tomlin/Colbert do not address issues in advance, it's that it takes them forever to address them once they emerge.

The OL was crap for Tomlin's first six or seven years with the team, and the secondary was garbage throughout the entire Ben/Bell/Brown Killer B era, and was a big reason why it went to waste.

It still pisses me off that they were not able to build a decent secondary until 2019 when Bell and Brown were gone and Ben blew out his elbow.

They had all the pieces in place for a title run in 2018, they chose to not pay to keep the team together.
I knew when the killer Bees left it was over for Big Ben. I think most Steeler fans knew it deep down, whether they wanted to admit it or not.

Now we have a Rookie RB, a few second rate receivers and a **** line. Worst of all Tomlin is still the coach. How could any sane person think it would look much different than it does?

 

[Steelr4evr]

They had all the pieces in place for a title run in 2018, they chose to not pay to keep the team together.
I knew when the killer Bees left it was over for Big Ben. I think most Steeler fans knew it deep down, whether they wanted to admit it or not.

Now we have a Rookie RB, a few second rate receivers and a **** line. Worst of all Tomlin is still the coach. How could any sane person think it would look much different than it does?

Wishful thinking that the status quo will change from years prior. It is however way to early to heap this year onto the failures of past years.

The biggest question is if the team can make it through the season intact and trend upwards if they're fortunate enough to make the playoffs.


We've seen what they've done in the playoffs. Get hammered!

 

[Punxsutawney]

so the run game is failing because guys often have mission impossible for their blocking assignments? How do you expect your C to run all the way down the line and block a DB in space?

I'm not sure Dawson or Pouncey in their primes make that block.

Green getting out there as quickly as he did and even getting a hand on the DB was pretty impressive.

Tomlin and Canada obviously think highly of Green to give him that type of assignment. He definitely has great athleticism.

 

[Punxsutawney]

They had all the pieces in place for a title run in 2018, they chose to not pay to keep the team together.
I knew when the killer Bees left it was over for Big Ben. I think most Steeler fans knew it deep down, whether they wanted to admit it or not.

The secondary was still not fully up to the task in 2018. It was prior to the additions of Fitzpatrick and Nelson and they were still trotting Artie Burns and Sean Davis out there.

The Steelers had one of the best, most explosive offenses in the league in the 2014-2017 period and they simply were not aggressive enough in upgrading the defense during much of that time

 

[chipped ham]

I think that is part of the problem of not drafting Oline. One injury and we have what we got now. The chiefs whole online is new and they are improved over the SB disaster. I have nothing against Harris at all, but if they were going to take an RB in round 1 we should have stocked up the Oline via free agency. Ben can not take 10 hits / game and he is already banged up. We do not have the talent to play the style they are playing right now.

Why have we not made even a call to a guy like Mitchell Schwartz? At this point, it is beyond stupid to not bring this guy in. While they wait for Banner, who is still a relative unknown. He was a fan favorite as the third/jumbo tackle, but who’s to say he can be a regular starter?

 

[steelreeling]

I'm not sure Dawson or Pouncey in their primes make that block.

Green getting out there as quickly as he did and even getting a hand on the DB was pretty impressive.

Tomlin and Canada obviously think highly of Green to give him that type of assignment. He definitely has great athleticism.

Green was pretty quick out there and that said, he missed a couple of blocks. Also, Najee needs to know when to bounce it outside - albeit something he is not very good at because although Najee has a burst thru the hole, he's going to get his *** run-down and caught to the boundary. Unfortunately, Najee doesn't have that extra gear. It's an issue, and nobody talks about it.

I see Tape's point but if you put KG heads up on a zero or 1 technique, he gets seriously blown the **** up. And that's something that we just cannot have going on because there is almost no play called that can withstand that ****.

So what are left with? Najee running into Dotson's ***, bouncing and pushing off Dotson's *** with his free arm while trying taking the to the outside.
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Dot, Chucks and Moore have little to no giddy-up while Green and Turner seem to get no push at the point. Only Dot seems to be able to consistently beat his man 1-on-1.
What the hell shall we do?

 

[stuntmanmike]

every team gives up middle of field till they hit the red zone... steelers need to get M4th and Harris into the middle of field into open ground and well get first downs but beyond that they have go back to basics actually run the fullback they have give the offensive line a chance to hit the guys in front of them.... I've been bitching about the low disregard the steeler brain trust has for winning the line of scrimmage. and they are to get a lesson the hard way fr0m the rats, browns, and the bengals now! they are going to run the ball down our throat and we are going to be standing there with our *** being handed to us on offense when we try to run... going to be long season just because it started with 4 games left in last season. our "brain trust" seems to be brainless......

 

[diver]

What players have actually developed under Tomlin? Round 3 or later, i'd say only Mike Hilton.

I don't know how much of this was just talk, but I remember Cowher saying they drafted guys who loved football first. Now it seems they draft physical specimens why don't love the game as much. I think it shows.