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P-U-N-T-I-N-G-------------------- Again

I understand sticking with a talented young QB or OT, etc. Those are positions with a learning curve. Players get better. But not Punter. It's not like you have to learn a scheme or new technique. I'm sure there are some coaching tips that can help, but for the most part, you can Punt or you can't. I don't understand sticking with him so long waiting for him to improve.
Harvin's issues isn't that he can't punt. Clearly he can boom the **** out of it. His issue is consistency - the shanks likely come from a slightly different foot position or leg swing or ball drop when he punts. Unfortunately, that is something I believe is not fixable. To me it is like young baseball pitchers...i've seen HS kids who can hurl over 90 but can't find the strike zone for ****. There is no good way to fix it.
 
Has Harvin ever had a punt blocked?

Doubt if he ever drew a running into a kicker penalty.
He's so big and fat defenders fear they may get injured.
Just let the fat boy kick it, good chance he may shank it anyway.
 
I understand sticking with a talented young QB or OT, etc. Those are positions with a learning curve. Players get better. But not Punter. It's not like you have to learn a scheme or new technique. I'm sure there are some coaching tips that can help, but for the most part, you can Punt or you can't. I don't understand sticking with him so long waiting for him to improve.

There's no harm bringing him back to compete in camp but you better have a real competition for the job. There better be real competition too. Sign a real punter who has actually done it in the NFL or even the UFL spring league, not just some undrafted guy from Slippery Rock.

They should tell Harvin that he's on his last chance. He does have a booming leg. He should seek out a punting coach. I'm sure they exist. Get some focused coaching and maybe he can add consistency to his punts.

If Harvin can clearly win the job in camp without the shanks then fine. No more keeping him because of upside and hoping he figures it out in the regular season.

Exactly.
Read his bio and he's punted since MIDDLE SCHOOL....you'd think he'd have it together by now.

I just don't get.

He should be over the jitters a player may get when becoming a pro.
 
Exactly.. the thing is if you have an all pro punter, how much does it really change things over a course of a season compared to an average punter? What is the real benefit to trying to develop one past year two?

At qb the difference between a top guy and a bottom level starter can be thousands of yards

Its probably close to 800 for wrs and Rbs...
a stud olineman can fundamentally change what you can do on O
A great defender is on the field for 50 snaps or more a game ... a Punter punts 5 or 6 times a game, holds some field goal attempts...

Their impact is minimal.. the difference between 29th ranked Harvin and the best net yardage guy in the league was 340 yards total... the difference between that league leading guy and an average punter was like 150 yards total all year...

So basically if having a star punter isnt much different from having an average one, why would you keep one that is on the wrong side of that comparison and who is actively harming your team in the vague hope he will develop into a star?

Just get an average guy and call it a day


They had Mann in as competition, he went to Philly. He was 6yards average better than Harvin and yet got dismissed as he couldn’t make the cut in Tomlin / Bubble’s eyes.

How many punts did Harvin have this past season ……. X 6 = 150-340 yards more.



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You know the part I don't get is it's as close to a closed skill as you are going to get in this sport. So unless he chokes and it's in his head, the inconsistency must show in practice and training camp.
I would tend to agree, but I have also seen people whose issues show under pressure - get the Yips so to speak. Either way, the guy has had 3 seasons to work through it and as already said here, that is too long for a punter.
 
I would tend to agree, but I have also seen people whose issues show under pressure - get the Yips so to speak. Either way, the guy has had 3 seasons to work through it and as already said here, that is too long for a punter.
Right. The message was sent by Tomlin - "if you suck at your job, no problems by me."
 
Right. The message was sent by Tomlin - "if you suck at your job, no problems by me."
Shades has a habit of trotting his draft picks out there hoping light comes on no matter how bad they are.
 
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Shades has a habit of trotting his draft picks out there hoping light comes no matter how bad they are.
I really cannot even believe that Devin Bush was put on the field by the Seahawks after all the opportunity he had in Pittsburgh. Like I'm a JV head coach, former defensive coordinator and linebacker coach. And even at my youth football level I could watch his tape and practice and say as hard a pass on him as we got.
 
I really cannot even believe that Devin Bush was put on the field by the Seahawks after all the opportunity he had in Pittsburgh. Like I'm a JV head coach, former defensive coordinator and linebacker coach. And even at my youth football level I could watch his tape and practice and say as hard a pass on him as we got.


When we played them in season, I think he was their leading tackler (17) just out of clouded memory———

ALSO KNOW that was against us and he was teaching us a lesson and definately didn’t do anything like that in any of the rest of the season’s games.

He looked like RayRay out there piling on.

I hear and fully agree that he was way over kept and played while here. It was insane how our SBWHCMVT paraded him out as if to say we can beat you with just ten men + Bush.



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I really cannot even believe that Devin Bush was put on the field by the Seahawks after all the opportunity he had in Pittsburgh. Like I'm a JV head coach, former defensive coordinator and linebacker coach. And even at my youth football level I could watch his tape and practice and say as hard a pass on him as we got.
Well, Pete Carroll got fired after the season, so there is that.
 
When we played them in season, I think he was their leading tackler (17) just out of clouded memory———

ALSO KNOW that was against us and he was teaching us a lesson and definately didn’t do anything like that in any of the rest of the season’s games.

He looked like RayRay out there piling on.

I hear and fully agree that he was way over kept and played while here. It was insane how our SBWHCMVT paraded him out as if to say we can beat you with just ten men + Bush.



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Not a PFF guy at all. F'n hate it. But the term tackles is pretty laughable. 3/4 of his tackles were 6 yards down field riding or hip dropping. 2 or 3 were down hill. Tgey absolutely ran at him all day. The Warren TD was prototypical of his play in Pittsburgh. No effort to shed or beat the block to the gap and create a mess.
 
Not a PFF guy at all. F'n hate it. But the term tackles is pretty laughable. 3/4 of his tackles were 6 yards down field riding or hip dropping. 2 or 3 were down hill. Tgey absolutely ran at him all day. The Warren TD was prototypical of his play in Pittsburgh. No effort to shed or beat the block to the gap and create a mess.


100% guaranteed, Bush was a bad coaching decision while he played here. His rookie season showed so much promise....... injury ....... PooF he disappeared.


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100% guaranteed, Bush was a bad coaching decision while he played here. His rookie season showed so much promise....... injury ....... PooF he disappeared.


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I'd really like to see that first year again on film. Like maybe the boys up front just kept him so clean. It's really hard for me to believe that an ACL injury would have that much impact. They are done so well now. I don't see a guy who is late to the party. I see a guy that didn't get the invitation. It's like he sees himself as the last line of defense instead a downhill gap stuffer.
And it's a real testimony to how shity shades can be in talent eval and stubbornness. They must have went through what 6 ILB this year and literally every one of them was better vs. the run then that waste of equipment.
 
When we played them in season, I think he was their leading tackler (17) just out of clouded memory———

ALSO KNOW that was against us and he was teaching us a lesson and definately didn’t do anything like that in any of the rest of the season’s games.

He looked like RayRay out there piling on.

I hear and fully agree that he was way over kept and played while here. It was insane how our SBWHCMVT paraded him out as if to say we can beat you with just ten men + Bush.



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Yeah he was not impactful in the 17 tackle game at all

Reminded me of Urlacher stats when he’d get 25 or some BS like that in a game when he legit made a handful but came and put his hand in a pile another 20 times

But something to be said about running to the ball until the whistle blows cough, cough is Josh still running???
 
They were indeed fortunate Purdy worked out but a coach has to have the balls to put the best talent on the field

The nutless Shaded one would have never even given Purdy the shot in the first place
Just for accuracy sake Lance and Jimmy G both had season enders before Purdy got an in game rep. Then it became more than obvious that he was best. Although he had Ben Elbow surgery that took some risk.
 
Harvin was inconsistent in college as well. Anyone could have seen it, averaging between 38-51 yards average (13 yard differential).

Bush was also inconsistent (read underachieving) in college and may have had the least total tackles in a full season as a college player to EVER have been drafted in the first round in history. Again, anyone could see it.

Our decisions don't seem to be made on common-sensical evaluations but more on something else less tangible...

Since 2013, TJ Watt is the only first round pick to make it out of their rookie deal. That needs to change.
 
Since 2013, TJ Watt is the only first round pick to make it out of their rookie deal. That needs to change.
A little early to lump Harris, PIckett and Jones in that thought as they are still on rookie deals.
2020 no first round pick.
No question Shaz was getting another deal.
Dupree got another contract, just not with us - cap hit.
Edmunds technically made a second contract with PIT though only a one year deal. Still with TEN I believe.

Jones, Burns and Bush were indeed disasters.
 
They were indeed fortunate Purdy worked out but a coach has to have the balls to put the best talent on the field

The nutless Shaded one would have never even given Purdy the shot in the first place

Mason rings a bell !!!!


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A little early to lump Harris, PIckett and Jones in that thought as they are still on rookie deals.
2020 no first round pick.
No question Shaz was getting another deal.
Dupree got another contract, just not with us - cap hit.
Edmunds technically made a second contract with PIT though only a one year deal. Still with TEN I believe.

Jones, Burns and Bush were indeed disasters.

A couple points
Dupree played his full 5 year first round contract with us then got a second one year franchise tag deal from us, then signed a big deal with the titans, but was cut after two seasons..

Edmunds didnt get the fifth year option picked up on his deal, but signed a one year deal to come back for a low salary in that fifth year

He signed a low value deal with the eagles but was traded to the titans midseason last year..
 
Harvin is the worst punter in the NFL. Why is he still on this team?
 
Harvin is the worst punter in the NFL. Why is he still on this team?
Shades doesn’t cut his draft picks.
Much like assistant coaches who suck, he just waits for their contracts to run out.
Devin Bush says Hi.
 
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