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Pay your fair share, Tibs.

Are you implying Tibs was dodging the taxes he demanded be higher for you and I? Surely socialists aren’t advocating that just other people’s money pays the freight.
 
Pay your fair share?

Tibs is in the 1%? Who knew?

Did you read the article? Obviously not. The tax on ex-patriot business owners has no "floor" for revenues subject to the taxation, and one business owner interviewed stated that his business receipts had never exceeded $100,000.

Try reading the data before commenting on it. Doing so will make you less likely to embarrass yourself. A little less, granted, but still ...
 
Did you read the article? Obviously not. The tax on ex-patriot business owners has no "floor" for revenues subject to the taxation, and one business owner interviewed stated that his business receipts had never exceeded $100,000.

Try reading the data before commenting on it. Doing so will make you less likely to embarrass yourself. A little less, granted, but still ...

elfie can't read......
 
Did you read the article? Obviously not. The tax on ex-patriot business owners has no "floor" for revenues subject to the taxation, and one business owner interviewed stated that his business receipts had never exceeded $100,000.

Try reading the data before commenting on it. Doing so will make you less likely to embarrass yourself. A little less, granted, but still ...

No I didn't even bother with the link. I was pointing out how CONservative bottom of the barrel lemmings never worry about the income inequality and how the 1% NEVER pay their fair share.

Kind of like how now deficits and debt suddenly went *POOF* and aren't relevant anymore. You know since it's a Republican running them up now.

Not to worry. As soon as a Dem becomes President you'll blame it on him as he struggles to repair the damage.
 
No I didn't even bother with the link. I was pointing out how CONservative bottom of the barrel lemmings never worry about the income inequality and how the 1% NEVER pay their fair share.

Kind of like how now deficits and debt suddenly went *POOF* and aren't relevant anymore. You know since it's a Republican running them up now.

Not to worry. As soon as a Dem becomes President you'll blame it on him as he struggles to repair the damage.

Are you truly that dense? Republicans only ***** about the deficit when Dems are in power. When they have a chance to fix things they get amnesia, and do NOTHING about it. Democrats only ***** about the deficit when Reps are in power. When they have a chance to change it, they do, unfortunately it is normally for the worse.

What this country really needs is a House and Senate full of people who will fix the financial mess without worrying about the crying from those made to be responsive for their decisions. Every single assistance recipient needs to be evaluated, and cut off as needed.
 
No I didn't even bother with the link. I was pointing out how CONservative bottom of the barrel lemmings never worry about the income inequality and how the 1% NEVER pay their fair share.

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Your statement about paying their "fair share" is demonstrably false. The top 1% earned 20.58% of the income for 2016, and paid 39.48% of the taxes. In other words, paid nearly twice as much as their share of income.

Not to worry. As soon as a Dem becomes President you'll blame it on him as he struggles to repair the damage.

Massive deficits are a problem. I don't doubt that. The simply fact of the matter is that the deficit and debt are a spending issue, not a taxation/revenue issue.

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The spending on Medicare, social security are driving the debt. Anybody who doubts that is simply not paying attention. Your proposed solution of "tax the rich" simply does not work. Obama taxed the rich and the debt exploded. Why? Because the rich will move income to non or lower tax activities, like retirement accounts, or real estate investment, and not simply turn over more of their income.

Have you not noticed that the top tax Federal income tax rates over the past 55 years have gone down, then up, then down, then up, then down, etc. ... and the share of Federal income tax paid by the top 1% has consistently increased?

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Tax Rates on Various Earnings 1913-2015


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Undeniable Trend - Top 1% Pay More Federal Income Tax, Bottom 90% Pay Less


Further, your take that the United States simply does not "tax enough" compared to other developed nations is just not true:

chartoftheday_5594_global_corporation_tax_levels_in_perspective_n.jpg


In summation, the problem with the burgeoning debt is spending, not taxation; the problem with income tax revenues is certainly, definitively not a lack of taxation on the top 1%. Only uninformed imbeciles like Ocasio-Cortez believe otherwise.
 
Are you truly that dense? Republicans only ***** about the deficit when Dems are in power. When they have a chance to fix things they get amnesia, and do NOTHING about it. Democrats only ***** about the deficit when Reps are in power. When they have a chance to change it, they do, unfortunately it is normally for the worse.

What this country really needs is a House and Senate full of people who will fix the financial mess without worrying about the crying from those made to be responsive for their decisions. Every single assistance recipient needs to be evaluated, and cut off as needed.

I agree. We need to start with the military and that bloated 700+ billion dollar budget.

As far as the deficit; there is a pattern of Dems having to fix the waste and plain theft Repugnicans commit when they are in power.

Clinton had to fix Bush Sr., Obama had to fix W's mess.

What will the cost be just for the war in Iraq?

When you include healthcare for vets and other compound ing costs it's over 3 trillion.....3 trillion for nothing but to enrich their cronie buddies.
 
No I didn't even bother with the link. I was pointing out how CONservative bottom of the barrel lemmings never worry about the income inequality and how the 1% NEVER pay their fair share.

Kind of like how now deficits and debt suddenly went *POOF* and aren't relevant anymore. You know since it's a Republican running them up now.

Not to worry. As soon as a Dem becomes President you'll blame it on him as he struggles to repair the damage.

what a ******* surprise.....

income inequality? you are paid as much as the market says you are worth.

want to make more, get a better education or more training....plenty of good blue collar jobs pay well with the right training.

everyone does not have to end up with equal pay....but everyone deserves an equal shot at their piece of the pie.....but they have to ******* work for it
 
Actually taxes for ex-pat Americans are kind of a nightmare. People are changing their citizenship not because of the cost but just because it's such a freaking hassle.
 
When you include healthcare for vets and other compound ing costs it's over 3 trillion.....3 trillion for nothing but to enrich their cronie buddies.

So the defense budget is $700 billion per year and you posit that the total cost for medical care of the military, including active military and veterans, is $2.3 trillion per year? That must be the case to reach the $3 trillion annual spending you cite. Let's check that out, shall we?

Ohhhhh, just a bit outside. The annual spending on military health care IS INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET, and totaled approximately $250 billion per year in 2017, or 48% of the annual budget.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Funding_of_payments_and_benefits

Ouch. I'm afraid that one may leave a mark, elfster.
 
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Your statement about paying their "fair share" is demonstrably false. The top 1% earned 20.58% of the income for 2016, and paid 39.48% of the taxes. In other words, paid nearly twice as much as their share of income.


Massive deficits are a problem. I don't doubt that. The simply fact of the matter is that the deficit and debt are a spending issue, not a taxation/revenue issue.

usxbudget_1789x2019_572x412.png


The spending on Medicare, social security are driving the debt. Anybody who doubts that is simply not paying attention. Your proposed solution of "tax the rich" simply does not work. Obama taxed the rich and the debt exploded. Why? Because the rich will move income to non or lower tax activities, like retirement accounts, or real estate investment, and not simply turn over more of their income.

Have you not noticed that the top tax Federal income tax rates over the past 55 years have gone down, then up, then down, then up, then down, etc. ... and the share of Federal income tax paid by the top 1% has consistently increased?

US-Income-Tax-Marginal-Rates-copy.png


Tax Rates on Various Earnings 1913-2015


TaxShareTop1Bottom90_0.png


Undeniable Trend - Top 1% Pay More Federal Income Tax, Bottom 90% Pay Less


Further, your take that the United States simply does not "tax enough" compared to other developed nations is just not true:

chartoftheday_5594_global_corporation_tax_levels_in_perspective_n.jpg


In summation, the problem with the burgeoning debt is spending, not taxation; the problem with income tax revenues is certainly, definitively not a lack of taxation on the top 1%. Only uninformed imbeciles like Ocasio-Cortez believe otherwise.

All of that is cute ,but it's not the entire story.

You are only showing us income tax share for income EARNED. We all know many super wealthy basically pay very little to zero income tax by having their accounting show little to zero income. Ask Warren Buffet, ask Donald Trump who brags about not paying anything...how is that possible?

Easy, they mask their wealth by using tactics like buying stocks that have their dividends reinvested in themselves so that their is no taxable income, yet they grow in value.

They borrow to pay for their personal consumption and use those same loans to pay interest on said loans loans while using their assets that are growing in value through mentioned reinvestment as collateral. Again, NO capital gains tax.

When they finally croak they leave these assets that have grown handsomely to their kids.. Again, NO tax.

Those are just a few of the many tricks the wealthy use to avoid paying their fair share, which is why Bernie talks about getting rid of those loopholes. Put in a consumption tax with a lower bar of $200,000 or so and we are set.

Of course the rich fight tooth and nail to prevent this...and it's clear why....with this system THEY NEVER PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.

Further, your take that the United States simply does not "tax enough" compared to other developed nations is just not true:

I never said that above. When I said you should consider a career as a lawyer if you are a young person since you are great at lying, building straw men, and just making up stuff whole cloth......you come running to prove me right.
 
So the defense budget is $700 billion per year and you posit that the total cost for medical care of the military, including active military and veterans, is $2.3 trillion per year? That must be the case to reach the $3 trillion annual spending you cite. Let's check that out, shall we?

Ohhhhh, just a bit outside. The annual spending on military health care IS INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET, and totaled approximately $250 billion per year in 2017, or 48% of the annual budget.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Funding_of_payments_and_benefits

Ouch. I'm afraid that one may leave a mark, elfster.

No it won't.

Your lack of reading comprehension is the problem. Read my post again I was referring to the war in Iraq and the compounding costs of that war.

Try again champ.
 
What we need is you to start carrying your weight, and becoming a contributor here.

The content I provide is worth far more than the entire site.

The sad thing is that it's like bringing roses to the fish market.
 
what a ******* surprise.....

income inequality? you are paid as much as the market says you are worth.

want to make more, get a better education or more training....plenty of good blue collar jobs pay well with the right training.

everyone does not have to end up with equal pay....but everyone deserves an equal shot at their piece of the pie.....but they have to ******* work for it

So 40 years from now when the capitalists and their AI replacements tell you that the market says you are worth nothing, then what?

That's quite a system there.
 
The content I provide is worth far more than the entire site.

The sad thing is that it's like bringing roses to the fish market.

******* egotistical piece of ****...feel free to take you **** to another site....
 
All of that is cute ,but it's not the entire story.

You are only showing us income tax share for income EARNED. We all know many super wealthy basically pay very little to zero income tax by having their accounting show little to zero income. Ask Warren Buffet, ask Donald Trump who brags about not paying anything...how is that possible?

Easy, they mask their wealth by using tactics like buying stocks that have their dividends reinvested in themselves so that their is no taxable income, yet they grow in value.

They borrow to pay for their personal consumption and use those same loans to pay interest on said loans loans while using their assets that are growing in value through mentioned reinvestment as collateral. Again, NO capital gains tax.

When they finally croak they leave these assets that have grown handsomely to their kids.. Again, NO tax.

Those are just a few of the many tricks the wealthy use to avoid paying their fair share, which is why Bernie talks about getting rid of those loopholes. Put in a consumption tax with a lower bar of $200,000 or so and we are set.

Of course the rich fight tooth and nail to prevent this...and it's clear why....with this system THEY NEVER PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.



I never said that above. When I said you should consider a career as a lawyer if you are a young person since you are great at lying, building straw men, and just making up stuff whole cloth......you come running to prove me right.

as if you actually looked at any of it
 
The content I provide is worth far more than the entire site.

The sad thing is that it's like bringing roses to the fish market.

Wow. You're a mess. And it's funny, every single one of the liberals (socialists) on this site are non-contributors, yet they want equal contribution for equal pay/healthcare etc. in their policy makers and the people of this country. Hmm?

Talk the talk, walk the walk, boys.
 
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