Pickens would not have had this success here

[Coryea]

I appreciate the success he has here and he was a really good coach. I've wanted to move on for years now, but was still in the boat that he's still a top coach in the NFL even as we started this season. I'm honestly not sure that is the case. The way this team lines up each week, it appears more and more as though the game is passing him by.

The best thing he's ever done was basically forced on him. When he was hired he delegated and let his assistants do what they do. Since Tomlin moved on from his original coordinators and he took control of the D, we've won 3 playoff games in like 13 years.
I think he's just an average coach who landed in the right spot at the right time, that's being proven more and more every year.

 

[Gildong Sack]

The best thing he's ever done was basically forced on him. When he was hired he delegated and let his assistants do what they do. Since Tomlin moved on from his original coordinators and he took control of the D, we've won 3 playoff games in like 13 years.
I think he's just an average coach who landed in the right spot at the right time, that's being proven more and more every year.

Thank you for a post that gets to the point about what Tomlin is without mentioning DEI.

There are many here who fall back on that lame crap while ignoring the decade after decade of mediocre white re-tread coaches that moved from team to team. Yet, never a peep about those guys.

Tomlin is what he is regardless of his skin color. It's time to move on.

And the irony of not knowing the difference between affirmative action and DEI...they can't even get their racism correct. Talk about incompetence...lol.

 

[jitter77]

I feel as Tomlin got more comfortable he started to insert his "coaching " into the team more. He phased out any good coordinators and then brought in guys who shouldn't be nfl assistants. Smith maybe the exception, but I'm pretty sure Smith would use the middle of the field of he was allowed You hear stories of Ben creating plays in the huddle because the O was so bad during the game. Even Pickett went off script to win a game with a bomb to Pickens.

 

[bigben]

Those plays are all completely different situations.

The ball was so badly underthrown it hit DKs forearm and Bears dude snatched it up. There is no way to compare that play on the sideline to the play you showed on the hashes or wherever it was, but it was not the sideline. DK is trying to make a play and stay in bounds like he has on all the other incredible catches he's made with the GOAT throwing him the ball... not Rudy the Check Down Reindeer.

The Bears DB is twisted sideways as his knee hits and he falls out of bounds with the ball cradled and locked against his chest..there is no way to take it away from him.

You can add physics to the other things you are confused by.

DK 33 million
DB 1 million

Show me 1 stat that puts Metcalf in the top 20 at his position.

He has been bad this year, There isn't 1 stat that says otherwise
And you know it
Stop being delusional

 

[Gildong Sack]

DK 33 million
DB 1 million

Show me 1 stat that puts Metcalf in the top 20 at his position.

He has been bad this year, There isn't 1 stat that says otherwise
And you know it
Stop being delusional

DK 33 million
DB 1 miilion

Ignoring the terrible throw from the backup QB....Priceless

 

[SteelerFan448]

I feel as Tomlin got more comfortable he started to insert his "coaching " into the team more. He phased out any good coordinators and then brought in guys who shouldn't be nfl assistants. Smith maybe the exception, but I'm pretty sure Smith would use the middle of the field of he was allowed You hear stories of Ben creating plays in the huddle because the O was so bad during the game. Even Pickett went off script to win a game with a bomb to Pickens.

Smith has used the middle of the field this year with Rodgers and there were guys open over the middle against Chicago. Rudolph didn't take those throws and that should've been a focus point given the injury situation with the Bears' defense.

 

[Confluence]

 

[jitter77]

Smith has used the middle of the field this year with Rodgers and there were guys open over the middle against Chicago. Rudolph didn't take those throws and that should've been a focus point given the injury situation with the Bears' defense.

He uses it occasionally with Rodgers but we seem to go whole games without doing it, or use it for a drive or 2. With the bears missing their LBs or should have been pounded into Rudolphs head to use the middle. One of the easiest ways to get DK involved is throw some slants at him

 

[madinsomniac]

So here is the pickens trade in a nutshell... the Steelers sold low on him because he wasnt engaged here abd was becoming a distraction.
Moreover, as a second round pick in 22, the guy was an UFA at the end of the season and wanted top end wr money before he had the numbers for it... he will almost certainly want close or over 40 mil per now... the Cowboys are 33 million over next year... signing pickens and filling out the team will be extremely hard... so he almost certainly will be a one season rental.

The best the cowboys could finish is 11-5-1... thats winning all five remaining games

The Cowboys have a tie, so the only tiebreakers they likely have to worry about are with Green Bay, who are more than likely going to win any tiebreaker with Dallas barring them getting swept by the bears.

Right now at 6-5-1 the Cowboys trail the 8-3 eagles in the Division. The eagles play the meh Bears next. If they win that it will be very hard for Dallas, especially since the eagles would need a combo of 3 wins or dallas losses to clinch the division in that case...
the eagles have 2 games with washington and a gane vs the raiders on their schedule... those would be big upsets if the eagles lost.

Looking at the wild card, the Cowboys are 9the in the conference, and the worse wild card team is San fran T 8-4. If they win 3 of the remaining 5 games they have, they finish 11-6 and Dallas has to win out to beat them... seattle is 8-3... with six games left


The bottom line is Dallas has a pretty low percentage shot at the playoffs

This trade may look good in the stats, but its impact on the standings probably is not significant enough to make the post season and probably doesnt lead to a long term relationship with Pickens... barring them trading Lamb... and then you are playing a volitile headcase qb money without another great wr in the fold

 

[bermudasteel]

So here is the pickens trade in a nutshell... the Steelers sold low on him because he wasnt engaged here abd was becoming a distraction.
Moreover, as a second round pick in 22, the guy was an UFA at the end of the season and wanted top end wr money before he had the numbers for it... he will almost certainly want close or over 40 mil per now... the Cowboys are 33 million over next year... signing pickens and filling out the team will be extremely hard... so he almost certainly will be a one season rental.

The best the cowboys could finish is 11-5-1... thats winning all five remaining games

The Cowboys have a tie, so the only tiebreakers they likely have to worry about are with Green Bay, who are more than likely going to win any tiebreaker with Dallas barring them getting swept by the bears.

Right now at 6-5-1 the Cowboys trail the 8-3 eagles in the Division. The eagles play the meh Bears next. If they win that it will be very hard for Dallas, especially since the eagles would need a combo of 3 wins or dallas losses to clinch the division in that case...
the eagles have 2 games with washington and a gane vs the raiders on their schedule... those would be big upsets if the eagles lost.

Looking at the wild card, the Cowboys are 9the in the conference, and the worse wild card team is San fran T 8-4. If they win 3 of the remaining 5 games they have, they finish 11-6 and Dallas has to win out to beat them... seattle is 8-3... with six games left


The bottom line is Dallas has a pretty low percentage shot at the playoffs

This trade may look good in the stats, but its impact on the standings probably is not significant enough to make the post season and probably doesnt lead to a long term relationship with Pickens... barring them trading Lamb... and then you are playing a volitile headcase qb money without another great wr in the fold

I somewhat agree but fully expect Jerry to franchise tag George...

 

[slashsteel]

I somewhat agree but fully expect Jerry to franchise tag George...

As I look at this game to game my opinion is starting to change. It looks like it is more of a Mike didn’t handle it right over Pickens couldn’t be handled right.

When your HC can’t handle talent and depletes talent. Add to it his playoff futility…. I think it is 100 percent time to move on.

Which he has plenty of documented instances of both.


Agree or disagree?

 

[FAB802]

As I look at this game to game my opinion is starting to change. It looks like it is more of a Mike didn’t handle it right over Pickens couldn’t be handled right.

When your HC can’t handle talent and depletes talent. Add to it his playoff futility…. I think it is 100 percent time to move on.

Which he has plenty of documented instances of both.


Agree or disagree?

While I can agree with most of the Tomlin criticisms, I can't with this one. George Pickens is surrounded by talent and an offense that utilizes him perfectly. He is extremely happy, producing huge numbers and about to hit the jackpot. None of that was possible in Pittsburgh. He was a couple years into the garbage offense and coaching in Pittsburgh, nothing was fixing that for him, or his personal situation. So, he lashed out. From game 1, Dallas fed him the ball.

Had Dak been lost for multiple games, and the backup never threw him the ball, there's a good chance we would have seen the same behavior. You can't live on what ifs though. He's dominating and the Steelers offense is still middle school level. I'm not mad at him; he will end up someplace of his choosing in the off season. We'll see if he chooses more money and a garbage offense, like Bell did, of if he chooses to go where he can be happy on Sundays over a few million dollars. Time will tell.

 

[slashsteel]

While I can agree with most of the Tomlin criticisms, I can't with this one. George Pickens is surrounded by talent and an offense that utilizes him perfectly. He is extremely happy, producing huge numbers and about to hit the jackpot. None of that was possible in Pittsburgh. He was a couple years into the garbage offense and coaching in Pittsburgh, nothing was fixing that for him, or his personal situation. So, he lashed out. From game 1, Dallas fed him the ball.

Had Dak been lost for multiple games, and the backup never threw him the ball, there's a good chance we would have seen the same behavior. You can't live on what ifs though. He's dominating and the Steelers offense is still middle school level. I'm not mad at him; he will end up someplace of his choosing in the off season. We'll see if he chooses more money and a garbage offense, like Bell did, of if he chooses to go where he can be happy on Sundays over a few million dollars. Time will tell.

That is just it I think it wasn’t possible due to the offenses restrictions from the approach limitations Mike sets in place for his conservative live in his fears approach.

For me it is one coach is handling him and one isn’t. Mike has a track record of not being able to handle players. Sure some of that is on the players I think some of this falls on Mike too…

 

[Punxsutawney]

While I can agree with most of the Tomlin criticisms, I can't with this one. George Pickens is surrounded by talent and an offense that utilizes him perfectly. He is extremely happy, producing huge numbers and about to hit the jackpot. None of that was possible in Pittsburgh. He was a couple years into the garbage offense and coaching in Pittsburgh, nothing was fixing that for him, or his personal situation. So, he lashed out. From game 1, Dallas fed him the ball.

Had Dak been lost for multiple games, and the backup never threw him the ball, there's a good chance we would have seen the same behavior. You can't live on what ifs though. He's dominating and the Steelers offense is still middle school level. I'm not mad at him; he will end up someplace of his choosing in the off season. We'll see if he chooses more money and a garbage offense, like Bell did, of if he chooses to go where he can be happy on Sundays over a few million dollars. Time will tell.

As it relates to Pickens, I have no issue with them deciding to go with a player like Metcalf over him longterm, as Metcalf is every bit as talented, IMO, and has a better attitude in general.

He's just encountering the same frustrations that Pickens and Diontae Johnson had with the Steelers offense, except he's being paid enough to suck it up.

I think I still would have taken the risk of bringing Pickens back for this season. If they were going to take their shot with Rodgers, they needed to maximize the talent around him.

If they felt Pickens coming back this season was totally unacceptable, why wait until after the draft to move him?

By doing so, they pretty much killed their ability to find a capable replacement through the draft or another trade.

They seemed to think bringing in Jonnu and creating a "three headed monster" of sorts at TE would compensate for the lack of depth at WR, but it hasn't worked that way, especially when they refuse to fully utilize those TEs over the middle of the field.

For all the criticism Tomlin is deservedly taking, the luster has completely fallen off of Omar Khan as well.

 

[Litos]

As it relates to Pickens, I have no issue with them deciding to go with a player like Metcalf over him longterm, as Metcalf is every bit as talented, IMO, and has a better attitude in general.

He's just encountering the same frustrations that Pickens and Diontae Johnson had with the Steelers offense, except he's being paid enough to suck it up.

I think I still would have taken the risk of bringing Pickens back for this season. If they were going to take their shot with Rodgers, they needed to maximize the talent around him.

If they felt Pickens coming back this season was totally unacceptable, why wait until after the draft to move him?

By doing so, they pretty much killed their ability to find a capable replacement through the draft or another trade.

They seemed to think bringing in Jonnu and creating a "three headed monster" of sorts at TE would compensate for the lack of depth at WR, but it hasn't worked that way, especially when they refuse to fully utilize those TEs over the middle of the field.

For all the criticism Tomlin is deservedly taking, the luster has completely fallen off of Omar Khan as well.

Rumors have it that the team was only offered a 4th during the draft, if so I agree with keeping him.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Rumors have it that the team was only offered a 4th during the draft, if so I agree with keeping him.

Even if that's the case, I'm not sure if settling for a 3rd as opposed to a 4th was worth going into the season with little behind Metcalf at WR.

Their options at WR were significantly reduced after the draft.

 

[topseed]

It's George's fault that the Cowboys are 3-5-1. I mean 4-5-1. I mean 5-5-1. I mean 6-5-1. You can't win with a cancer like Pickens.

 

[bermudasteel]

As I look at this game to game my opinion is starting to change. It looks like it is more of a Mike didn’t handle it right over Pickens couldn’t be handled right.

When your HC can’t handle talent and depletes talent. Add to it his playoff futility…. I think it is 100 percent time to move on.

Which he has plenty of documented instances of both.


Agree or disagree?

To a certain extent...

We all know that Coach Tomlin held AB in check for years. He also navigated thru the management of quite a few divas as well - Wallace, Sanders, Bryant, Claypool, etc.

Maybe the simple answer is he and the FO just have had it with the BS and now prefer volunteers over hostages, which, in the case of George, it infuriates me...

 

[SteelerFan448]

It's George's fault that the Cowboys are 3-5-1. I mean 4-5-1. I mean 5-5-1. I mean 6-5-1. You can't win with a cancer like Pickens.

Looking back on many of the players the Steelers traded, it seems like most of the situations were created because of how they were being used (or should I say not used). Pickens, DJ, Harrison, Blount, Ingram, etc.

 

[DesertSteel]

Any way you look at it, 2025 is another failed roster experiment, including signing Rodgers/Metcalf and trading Pickens.

 

[Litos]

Even if that's the case, I'm not sure if settling for a 3rd as opposed to a 4th was worth going into the season with little behind Metcalf at WR.

Their options at WR were significantly reduced after the draft.

Yeap agree, was just talking about the draft