Pittsburgh NOT the only team to loose to BAD teams

[Superman]

You ladies really need to cut back on all your infighting across multiple threads. It's getting really old, stale and tiresome.

understood. I'll do my part and place the caustic ******* dickbag on ignore to better the board experience for everyone.

 

[Idioteque]

you're such a lame ************. I have no idea why that Jalen Rose story stuck in your **** sideways, but whatever. I shot ball with Jalen Rose once. No big deal to me. But it absolutely must be to you. I've also seen had brushes with other players, but nevermind that.

Because you held it up as your Qualification (capitalized for emphasis!) as a basketball guru. It was one of the lamest ******* things I've ever read on here, which speaks volumes.

and, if you really think I care one ******* bit if anyone "likes" me, then you've not paid much attention over the past "10 years". And I quote that since for some reason it seems to be your badge of honor having been on the very board you totally despise - and you point both out every chance you can. Though for some reason, you see this board as a popularity contest despite being the most caustic dickbag ever to grace the bandwidth.

Oh not at all. It's merely a reference point to dictate how long you've been following me across various threads and boards since I'm stuck so far up your craw. 10 years is a long time to stalk a message board poster, wouldn't ya say?

The class is still waiting, oh knight in shining armor, of your revelation as to which damsel in distress I so viciously ran off the board.

I guess I've kinda been waiting for you to man up and cop to it yourself.

so you admit your logic is bullshit? finally.

I offered no "logic" on whether the Rams were good or bad. And my only statement on .500 teams was that .200 is different from .500. (hint: .200 is worse)

jizz jizz spreadsheet!

 

[Idioteque]

This has nothing to do with everyday life and constructive criticism. I have had a successful career for over 25 years so I can handle constructive criticism. But if rooting for your favorite team turns into constant and I mean constant criticism of everything they do, why even waste the time and pull for them. I also noticed you didn't address my questions. What did you personally do in the 80's when we sucked and what did you do during the bad Cowher seasons?

If you haven't noticed, our team isn't nearly as good as it was a few years ago. To me, it stands to reason that worse performance + repeating the same stupid crap that breeds that worse performance = more criticism. It's hard for me to glow about the state of our team when I consider us very medicore. Considering we have a HOF QB and were perennial SB contenders just 3 years ago.

I became a Steeler fan in 1990 at age 6. During the bad times under Cowher, I grumbled about our ****** performance as well. It was eventually turned around as we accumulated gobs and gobs talent across the board, and I'm sure I'd be more optimistic had I ever seen Tomlin accumulate talent on an appreciable level. To this point, I see a team treading water with MAJOR holes at significant spots. I don't think a team can excel without a pass rush, a secondary, or an offensive line, so until those spots show some real promise, it's hard for me to just assume we're on the way up.

 

[Idioteque]

Man you two guys really can't stand each other, can you?

We've rubbed each other the wrong way for quite some time. Years ago, I decided to just ignore the guy and move on. Around that time, he appointed himself Chief of Steeler Nation Security and began tracking me from one thread to another to fling off-topic smack on football, basketball, etc. on a daily basis (no exaggeration). He would literally interrupt Steeler discussions to write me long diatribes on why Kobe Bryant sucks. It came to a head when I began posting at another board while this one was down; he registered there under another name and began ****-talking me and only me about Lawrence Timmons. He now spends his days responding to pretty much all of my posts with some variation of his post from this morning.

Then again, we've also PM'd a number of times about this and that. He's not some unlikable ********; he just has a way of posting on here that's caustic (similar to mine, except I don't go after the uninitiated). To me, our little thing is more of a sometimes-funny novelty act. To him, it seems to be Serious Business.

BAS is right. It has gotten old, and I've been sucked in far too many times.

 

[ark steel]

He's not some unlikable ********

Uhh, I thought we were talking about Supe. Who are you talking about?

 

[SCSteeler4life]

If you haven't noticed, our team isn't nearly as good as it was a few years ago. To me, it stands to reason that worse performance + repeating the same stupid crap that breeds that worse performance = more criticism. It's hard for me to glow about the state of our team when I consider us very medicore. Considering we have a HOF QB and were perennial SB contenders just 3 years ago.

I became a Steeler fan in 1990 at age 6. During the bad times under Cowher, I grumbled about our ****** performance as well. It was eventually turned around as we accumulated gobs and gobs talent across the board, and I'm sure I'd be more optimistic had I ever seen Tomlin accumulate talent on an appreciable level. To this point, I see a team treading water with MAJOR holes at significant spots. I don't think a team can excel without a pass rush, a secondary, or an offensive line, so until those spots show some real promise, it's hard for me to just assume we're on the way up.

That's the big issue. Some of us just see things differently because of our age and experience we have seen more of the good and bad that some of you younger guys have yet experienced. So to some of us you just come off as spoiled brats. It's great that you are passionate about the Steeler's and want things to be great for us all the time. But the truth is it has never been that way since the 70's and with today's NFL it never will be again. I just choose to give the staff and owners the benefit of the doubt. This is what the NFL has become love it or hate it. We are competitive year and year out. Do I wish we won more games yes, is there room for huge improvements, yes. I just choose not to be so miserable about my favorite team. But the way you guys go at it over and over in every thread makes me come here less and less.

 

[Idioteque]

Uhh, I thought we were talking about Supe. Who are you talking about?

When I typed that, the universe folded in on itself

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

That's the big issue. Some of us just see things differently because of our age and experience we have seen more of the good and bad that some of you younger guys have yet experienced. So to some of us you just come off as spoiled brats. It's great that you are passionate about the Steeler's and want things to be great for us all the time. But the truth is it has never been that way since the 70's and with today's NFL it never will be again. I just choose to give the staff and owners the benefit of the doubt. This is what the NFL has become love it or hate it. We are competitive year and year out. Do I wish we won more games yes, is there room for huge improvements, yes. I just choose no to be so miserable about my favorite team. But the way you guys go at it over and over in every thread makes me come here less and less.

Couldn't have said it better myself

 

[Idioteque]

That's the big issue. Some of us just see things differently because of our age and experience we have seen more of the good and bad that some of you younger guys have yet experienced. So to some of us you just come off as spoiled brats.

I could see that if I were renouncing my Steeler fanhood or something like that. But you don't see me doing that.

If you look closer you'll see me glowing about plenty. I've done everything but jack off over Ben, Bell, Brown, Shazier, Tuitt, etc. Few on here have glowed and gushed over the great aspects of the last Steeler generation - Hines, Troy in his prime, Aaron, Farrior, etc. I'm also vocal about aspects like Tomlin, the o-line, the relatively poor drafting, the sorry pass rush, the awful secondary, etc. In other words, I praise the good and criticize the bad. Kinda like most of us do with politics, movies, music, etc. I love Bob Dylan, but I don't have to pretend that his shittier albums are gold, do I? And when it comes down to fanhood, I kinda think that's the point. I ENJOY when the Steelers are succeeding and DISLIKE seeing them fail. So my attitude kinda reflects that, and I like to discuss what I think would make the team better. Simply saying, "Well we won some Super Bowls in the past so I'm sure it'll all work out, Tomlin will learn how to coach and Jarvis will become DeMarcus Ware overnight" is boring to me.

I'm not just spouting "Steelers suck!" I've laid out some pretty detailed reasoning for my distaste of the negatives.

It's great that you are passionate about the Steeler's and want things to be great for us all the time. But the truth is it has never been that way since the 70's and with today's NFL it never will be again.

There are teams who stay competitive, even compete for the Super Bowl every year. Falling off the map overnight with a HOF QB, HOF safety, and #1 defense is a rare and disappointing occurrence. IMO, from 2004 to roughly 2011, we had the league's premier roster, top to bottom. But as the last generation of players has aged/retired/left, the new one has been very average, going 23-20 and missing the playoffs the last two years. That's not a gradual decline; it's a pretty clear tumble off the face of the earth.

I just choose to give the staff and owners the benefit of the doubt. This is what the NFL has become love it or hate it. We are competitive year and year out. Do I wish we won more games yes, is there room for huge improvements, yes. I just choose no to be so miserable about my favorite team. But the way you guys go at it over and over in every thread makes me come here less and less.

I'm sure sorry to hear it. But as I said, some of us bored by posting "rah rah we'll turn it around! why? I dunno!" over and over. Some of us enjoy sports for the analysis/discussion/debate aspect of it. And it's not some small percentage of the sports world that feels that way. Advanced analytics and so forth are becoming huge in every sport. So, with all due respect, the say-nothing cheerleading stuff doesn't do it for me.

 

[Wingman]

For anyone else that forgot this thread is about Pittsburgh not the only team to lose to bad teams. I would love to see one that reads Pittsburgh the only team not losing to bad teams. Might be a while for that to happen.

 

[blitzburghv5]

The defense allowed the Titans to average 8 yards per play. To put that in perspective, Tennessee has averaged 5.6 YPP in 2014, and Denver has led the league the past two years at 6.2.

I'm not sure what you're seeing, but to me, that ain't "playin much better."

Well 80-yards of it was on one play (Nate Washingtons TD at the end of the half)

 

[Wingman]

Well 80-yards of it was on one play (Nate Washingtons TD at the end of the half)

I always wonder about some of the stats in the game discussions. I would rather see how many times the defense got a turnover or forced the other team to punt. That is an important stat that I never see mentioned with exception of turn overs and I think shows the main job of a defense being done well. The next one I would think is important is how many times did the other team get held to field goals instead of touch downs. Those are some things I think are important measures for a defense.

 

[AggieSteel]

Well 80-yards of it was on one play (Nate Washingtons TD at the end of the half)

Big plays are part of the game. In case you forgot, that Washington TD almost sunk us. It's not like it just shouldn't count toward statistics because it was a long gainer.

And I'm with Idio.. I would be a lot more optimistic about the team if I saw more to be optimistic about. On the offensive side of the ball, we seem to be great at developing skill players. That's exciting. But the defensive side of the ball is in complete shambles and I honestly do not trust it against ANY team, ANY QB, ANY offensive scheme in the entire league. I'm optimistic about the future in terms of scoring more points. I'm not optimistic about this defense whatsoever and until it shows it can put up any kind of resistance whatsoever, we are going to be treading water.

 

[topseed]

Well 80-yards of it was on one play (Nate Washingtons TD at the end of the half)

Well, even if you take that gigantic, game-changing play out of the equation (which is nonsensical), the Titans still averaged 6.1 yards per play, which would tie them with Green Bay and Dallas for #2 in the NFL behind the Broncos.

 

[Vader]

Well, even if you take that gigantic, game-changing play out of the equation (which is nonsensical), the Titans still averaged 6.1 yards per play, which would tie them with Green Bay and Dallas for #2 in the NFL behind the Broncos.

What if you took out the top 3 plays? That'd help a bunch.

 

[Wingman]

Now in addition to the net yards that are real high due to some big plays there are some positive things to see as well. Look at the third down conversions. The titans were 3 for 8 so that is several times that a touch down was prevented and a field goal taken instead or a punt was caused or some other turn over. That is a good thing. The Arian's offense would often do well in yards and completion etc but fail to get points and we would lose the game.
Net Passing Yards – Ten: 263 Pit: 180

Net Rushing Yards – Ten: 49 Pit: 206

Third Down Conversions – Ten: 3-8 (38%) Pit: 7-13 (54%)

Penalties (Yards) – Ten: 1 (10) Pit: 4 (39)