Plenty of blame to go around

[antdrewjosh]

Once again we lost on a short week to Baltimore on the road. 24-42 is the record for the road teams on Thursday nites. Move on. This team has alot of season to go and a lot of work to do.

 

[Idioteque]

Dude. What is your point on Franco's posts? He's showed up every time you've obsessively begged him to. This is like the 10th post you've put in today about Franco.

 

[F83]

Only thing that can be seen was gilbertblooked a lot slimmer but after the 1st sack that was erased with roughing the passer penalty the sets should of had speath next to Gilbert to block dumervill.foster sucks.
Dick lebeau made no adjustments same 2-4-5 where heyward and Brett rushed from the middle with whorl ides and jj around the edge both aside from 1 time got hit at the wall and that allowed pierce to go off tackle mostly to jj side easily getting 4-8 yes on carries.
If we uses the same formations cam is gonna run all over us we need some 3-3-5 and 1-5-5 and it is time shamarko it's in some of the sets.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Dude. What is your point on Franco's posts? He's showed up every time you've obsessively begged him to. This is like the 10th post you've put in today about Franco.

What, you jealous breh?

People say "Dont feed the Troll'.


I say screw that. Its more entertaining with him lurking about.

 

[Omar10213245]

What, you jealous breh?

People say "Dont feed the Troll'.


I say screw that. Its more entertaining with him lurking about.

Yeah I guess if my POV on the state of this team was lacking in sound rationale, I'd probably look for another angle to shield myself from critique as well.

Actually, I probably wouldnt.

 

[MT~Forged]

Once again we lost on a short week to Baltimore on the road. 24-42 is the record for the road teams on Thursday nites. Move on. This team has alot of season to go and a lot of work to do.

That short week argument is bullshit, especially in the 2nd week. You should not be so exhausted after just one game, you can not play again in 4 days. Now if this were the 12th week, then I would be willing to give them a break. So far they played ONE COMPLETE GAME, before the game in 4 days. They didn't even play a complete game in week one.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Yeah I guess if my POV on the state of this team was lacking in sound rationale, I'd probably look for another angle to shield myself from critique as well.

Actually, I probably wouldnt.

Oh Omar, you're so witty.

You are probably one of the coolest guys that you know.

 

[Franco]

Dude. What is your point on Franco's posts? He's showed up every time you've obsessively begged him to. This is like the 10th post you've put in today about Franco.

I own his sorry *** An and of course I have never asked for Tomlin to be fired, he sucks but it is up to the Rooneys n. Now back to apples puerile attempjts at humor and deflection.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I own his sorry *** An and of course I have never asked for Tomlin to be fired, he sucks but it is up to the Rooneys n. Now back to apples puerile attempjts at humor and deflection.

That word wasn't forced at all- not the least bit. Lol.


I am simply adapting to this new board. Which is rife with vapid arguments with little to no football talk. Just "Fire XYZ", or "XYZ Sucks". Alas, I am trolling the trolls.

But in case you thought I forgot, Franco- Thats 4...

 

[Steelerfan]

I start at the very top because that is who directly started the downward spiral which is what we see on the field today. Art Rooney II and the Rooney rule was the direct reason WHY we hired Mike Tomlin. Their liberal and "progressive" ideology has single-handedly ruined the Pittsburgh Steelers. You don't hire anyone because of the color of their skin whether it's black or white you hire someone based on their abilities and attributes. Not a defensive coordinator that ranked 31st in pass defense whom happen to be a formed defensive back. Art Rooney II should step down because he is the Daniel Snider or Jerry Jones of the AFC North.

Second person to blame is Mike Tomlin. Whether he is qualified or not it IS his job to have this team prepared, have the ability to make game time adjustments, keep the team motivated, and develop the personnel you have into quality NFL players. He has failed on every level mentioned before. He is the black Barry Switzer.

I put Colbert down the line because he has had success in drafting when he had a competent head coach. I feel he is likely drafting better players than they appear to be under the current coaching staff but the fact remains he is extending and overpaying players who are not very good. Marcus Gilbert is so god awful it almost makes me cry to know he will hinder our ability to sign another quality offensive lineman for 2-3 years at the minimum. Just because he had a good camp and looked good in practice does not negate the FACT he has never looked good during the games. The team has to be willing to let underachieving players leave even if it leaves a hole that will need to be filled via the draft or in free agency. I want to know WHO would have given Marcus Gilbert 5 years 30 million with 8 million in a bonus? Answer? NO ONE! Let him walk see what is out there and then sign him for a friendly deal if you wanted him back all the while paying him his rookie contract this year. Cortez Allen whom the FO like more than Keenan Lewis so they let Lewis walk and keep Taylor and now overpay Allen. Bad, worse, and ugly! Pouncey they overpay (though so far he has looked better this year than the past few) but I just don't think a center who is maybe slightly above average deserves LT money. I just don't. Matching Manny Sanders tender last year then LETTING HIM WALK this year. If you did not have a long term contract worked out you take your third round pick and move on you don't amplify your poor decision on which tender to offer by not letting the Pats choke on their obvious ploy to make us spend more money on Sanders. Then the drafting has been sub par since Tomlin took over. I am not sure who all to blame but the player development is not what you need to put a competent team on the field. The 2008 draft class IMHO is the worst draft class of all time for the Steelers. And 2009 would have been a bust year if not for the fact we got several serviceable years out of Wallace and one out of Lewis.

Todd Haley is next in line because I do feel bad for him in the sense he was brought in because Art Rooney II is a moron. He and Ben are like oil and vinegar, fire and water, or whiskey and my penis. They just don't mix well. His offense is so predictable that I call the play before the snap. To be honest I feel his offense needs a Dri Acrher or McCluster to function because he has to use misdirection to create mismatches because he cannot beat a team straight up. The only time the offense seems to function is when Roethlisberger runs a no huddle and is allowed to call plays and audible out of them depending on the defensive look. The irony is that is not Ben's strong suit. He's not a cerebral QB who is playing chess out there on the field. He's a checkers kind of QB who create big plays by extending the play. He usually gets a pre-snap read and if it is not open creates time to find his second or third option. Todd Haley needs a QB who gets the ball out quickly and doesn't make mistakes. Just not a good match. Sadly I think Arians and Ben worked better together and if we had Munchak and a RT with him calling the plays our offense would be much better off.

Dick LeBeau is just not what he was 10 years ago. He is an innovator of the zone blitz and in his day knew how to create mismatches. In today's NFL the QB just dumps the ball too quickly for his scheme to work on a regular basis. In the old days our OLB's were regularly matched up on TE's, RB's or just totally unaccounted for but today I rarely see JJ or Worilds NOT on an OT. I think it is time to bring in a new coaching staff which sadly means this HOF and great person has to leave.

And finally I blame Goodell and his touch football new style of NFL that us true blue football fans are being forced to swallow. The problem is I don't think Goodell is doing it on his own but with the guidance of the NFL owners who want to see the game so parallel that everybody has a shot every week and 8-8 teams in the playoffs will be a regular event. They want scoring, no hitting, and people not disinterested in week 15 because their team is totally out of it. The problem is the league will not change so the team has to. I said it years ago when I first saw this coming that I would only draft DL who can get to the QB and DB's who can catch the ball. I don't care if the DE gives up big run plays as long as he sacks the QB and causes bad throws or strips. I don't care if the CB gives up an 80 yard TD as long as he has a pick six. I would draft mostly offensive players and try to out score other teams only caring that my defense is capable of sacks and turnovers and hope they do at key moments during the game.

Solution? Fire the front office and coaching staff. We need a Chip Kelly who in an innovator of the game. We need someone to revamp this team in their own image and keep the good and throw out the trash. Someone who can develop and motivate players. The only good thing is if we go 4-12 is I believe Tomlin is fired. I either want him to right the ship and win 12 games and get us to the Super Bowl or I want us to fall on our face to we can yank off the band-aid and be done with this!

Heh heh. You said penis. heh heh

 

[Steeltime]

If I am going to get involved in knee-jerk reactions regarding a coach, after the 2nd game of the season-

My opinions on Tomlin - his inability to prepare the team and make adjustments when his pre-game approach is faltering and the team's lack of discipline as evidenced by the endless stream of penalties and his failure to get significant production from 1st and 2nd round picks and his poor clock management and his endless "surprise" at what the opposition shows - are not knee-jerk.

I have been a Steelers fan since 1970. My mom and dad are from East Liberty, both attended Westinghouse, and my dad graduated from Duquesne. I was one who thought that Tomlin was a good coach, and could develop into a great coach, as of January, 2009.

But as Cowher's players started to leave - Big Snack, Hines, Randle El, Aaron Smith, Farrior, M. Smith, Roye, Hoke, Starks, McFadden, Holmes, Townsend, Starks, Foote - or decline due to age - Troy, Kiesel, Heath, Taylor - the Steelers became Mike Tomlin's team.

And Mike Tomlin's teams are loaded with very mediocre players who underperform even their mediocrity and lose to astonishingly bad teams. I am not going to repeat the list I gave earlier, outlining 12 embarrassing losses the past 5 seasons.

So my conclusions about Tomlin are sure as @#$& not "knee-jerk." They are based on specific flaws in his coaching, embarrassing losses to terrible teams, and the fact that the Steelers are 16-18 over their past 34 games, many of which were against very bad teams.

 

[slashsteel]

For how much I dislike the Harbaughs, they at least more often than not have their teams ready to play and compete.

I know the one is having owner issues. Come available I would be fine replacing Tomlin with him.............

 

[freak]

The ****** unprepared, lazy, fat ,undisciplined and stupid team we trot out on the field reflects the personna of our head coach. I have known for years he was a fraud and was carried by others and now all but the truly stupid are seeing what most knew but hated to admit. As I have said many times before enjoy the 8-8 seasons , they will be the good old days under this idiot.

well sayd ..

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

My opinions on Tomlin - his inability to prepare the team and make adjustments when his pre-game approach is faltering and the team's lack of discipline as evidenced by the endless stream of penalties and his failure to get significant production from 1st and 2nd round picks and his poor clock management and his endless "surprise" at what the opposition shows - are not knee-jerk.

I have been a Steelers fan since 1970. My mom and dad are from East Liberty, both attended Westinghouse, and my dad graduated from Duquesne. I was one who thought that Tomlin was a good coach, and could develop into a great coach, as of January, 2009.

But as Cowher's players started to leave - Big Snack, Hines, Randle El, Aaron Smith, Farrior, M. Smith, Roye, Hoke, Starks, McFadden, Holmes, Townsend, Starks, Foote - or decline due to age - Troy, Kiesel, Heath, Taylor - the Steelers became Mike Tomlin's team.

And Mike Tomlin's teams are loaded with very mediocre players who underperform even their mediocrity and lose to astonishingly bad teams. I am not going to repeat the list I gave earlier, outlining 12 embarrassing losses the past 5 seasons.

So my conclusions about Tomlin are sure as @#$& not "knee-jerk." They are based on specific flaws in his coaching, embarrassing losses to terrible teams, and the fact that the Steelers are 16-18 over their past 34 games, many of which were against very bad teams.

Fair,

What I see is a team that is going through a complete overhaul. One that typically takes a team 2 to 3 to complete. It looks like we are in year 2 and have yet to go through a real rough stretch, despite what some spoiled fans would say.

I have no idea how the young defense will progress. I see some progress from JJ and hope that Shaz and Tuitt fill the role.
I have no idea how the offense will fare going forward. But I see a young RB who is becoming a star and a WR heading toward the upper echelon
of WRs.

Yea, there are definitely concerns and a great deal of questions. But the team has not acquiesced, even in a stout division such as ours. So I am willing to be patient not only with the coaches, but with the players.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

For how much I dislike the Harbaughs, they at least more often than not have their teams ready to play and compete.

I know the one is having owner issues. Come available I would be fine replacing Tomlin with him.............

But hasn't he only succeeded with Mike Singeltary's players?

 

[antdrewjosh]

Fair,

What I see is a team that is going through a complete overhaul. One that typically takes a team 2 to 3 to complete. It looks like we are in year 2 and have yet to go through a real rough stretch, despite what some spoiled fans would say.

I have no idea how the young defense will progress. I see some progress from JJ and hope that Shaz and Tuitt fill the role.
I have no idea how the offense will fare going forward. But I see a young RB who is becoming a star and a WR heading toward the upper echelon
of WRs.

Yea, there are definitely concerns and a great deal of questions. But the team has not acquiesced, even in a stout division such as ours. So I am willing to be patient not only with the coaches, but with the players.

*slow clap*

 

[The other bill]

I have still not seen one player on D step up to a leadership role.
There is no fire and the D looks flat.
Can the Steeler's dress Pezzy and bring back Debo for a few weeks

GO STEELERS

 

[Idioteque]

That word wasn't forced at all- not the least bit. Lol.


I am simply adapting to this new board. Which is rife with vapid arguments with little to no football talk. Just "Fire XYZ", or "XYZ Sucks". Alas, I am trolling the trolls.

But in case you thought I forgot, Franco- Thats 4...

Are you serious? There is thread after thread of football reasoning behind most if not all of the Tomlin talk on here. Examples, explanations, etc. Are you high?

 

[Supersteeler]

On defense I was most disappointed in Worilds last night. He pulled a Woodley on one of Woodley's off nights where you completely even forget he's on the field. A close 2nd would have to be Cortez Allen. I think he is going to get victimized a lot this year. And the one time he put himself in a good position to make a play, he drops the INT. I almost forgot Cam Thomas. He has to get an honorable mention. I don't recall seeing a D Lineman getting driven 10 yards backwards before and it happened to him several times yesterday.

I think Jarvis is showing some signs that he is stepping up his game, which is good. He looks more explosive, probably because he knows what he is supposed to be doing now. I like Shazier alot. He is a rookie starting from Day 1.....he is going to make mistakes. I know that is unacceptable for people but that's how it works. He's going to make a lot of great plays and will also make his share of mistakes. Hopefully he will start to minimize those the more he plays.

 

[FordFairLane]

Fair,

What I see is a team that is going through a complete overhaul. One that typically takes a team 2 to 3 to complete. It looks like we are in year 2 and have yet to go through a real rough stretch, despite what some spoiled fans would say.

I have no idea how the young defense will progress. I see some progress from JJ and hope that Shaz and Tuitt fill the role.
I have no idea how the offense will fare going forward. But I see a young RB who is becoming a star and a WR heading toward the upper echelon
of WRs.

Yea, there are definitely concerns and a great deal of questions. But the team has not acquiesced, even in a stout division such as ours. So I am willing to be patient not only with the coaches, but with the players.

The flaw in your theory is at the end of this overhaul to a younger team we will have a 34 year old quarterback. I just don't see the progression. I guess if Worilds and JJ turned it on and Marcus Gilbert started protecting Ben and Cortez Allen started picking off passes and if Mike Mitchell quit getting flagged and started understanding his assignments I could be more optomistic.

 

[Idioteque]

The flaw in your theory is at the end of this overhaul to a younger team we will have a 34 year old quarterback. I just don't see the progression. I guess if Worilds and JJ turned it on and Marcus Gilbert started protecting Ben and Cortez Allen started picking off passes and if Mike Mitchell quit getting flagged and started understanding his assignments I could be more optomistic.

But that will all happen overnight. All they have to do is listen to Tomlin, who coaches impeccably only for the stupid players to forget it all every. single. week. I know all of this because we won a close Super Bowl six years ago.

 

[FordFairLane]

You are preaching to the chior. I thought Whisenhunt got the shaft when they hired Tomlin over him. Then I think he got a bad rap when Kurt Warner retired and he was stuck with Leinart and other scrubs to try to get a passing game. I mean look what he did with the Chargers last year and look how he throttled the Chiefs week one. I think he and Mike Mularkey are pretty good offensive coaches (he's the OC in Tennessee now) and we don't know what we have until it's gone. Mularkey who had Tommy Maddox and Kordell Stewart at QB won games. Whisenhunt took Roethlisberger his rookie year to break records. Now we have Tomlin...

 

[steelhurt]

My opinions on Tomlin - his inability to prepare the team and make adjustments when his pre-game approach is faltering and the team's lack of discipline as evidenced by the endless stream of penalties and his failure to get significant production from 1st and 2nd round picks and his poor clock management and his endless "surprise" at what the opposition shows - are not knee-jerk.

I have been a Steelers fan since 1970. My mom and dad are from East Liberty, both attended Westinghouse, and my dad graduated from Duquesne. I was one who thought that Tomlin was a good coach, and could develop into a great coach, as of January, 2009.

But as Cowher's players started to leave - Big Snack, Hines, Randle El, Aaron Smith, Farrior, M. Smith, Roye, Hoke, Starks, McFadden, Holmes, Townsend, Starks, Foote - or decline due to age - Troy, Kiesel, Heath, Taylor - the Steelers became Mike Tomlin's team.

And Mike Tomlin's teams are loaded with very mediocre players who underperform even their mediocrity and lose to astonishingly bad teams. I am not going to repeat the list I gave earlier, outlining 12 embarrassing losses the past 5 seasons.

So my conclusions about Tomlin are sure as @#$& not "knee-jerk." They are based on specific flaws in his coaching, embarrassing losses to terrible teams, and the fact that the Steelers are 16-18 over their past 34 games, many of which were against very bad teams.

This post is spot on.

People, forget the color of the man's skin. Its not relevant here in this day and age. I would like to think we as a society have moved far beyond that. I'm talking about the man, the coach and I come up with the same answer every time. The man can't do the job,period. I don't give a crap why he was hired or any Rooney Rule mandate to hire a minority. Black or white, the man can't do the job.

He and Colbert do not work well together and if the end result means they both go to improve things, then they both go. Remember where we pulled Colbert from, that perennial powerhouse Detroit. He didn't exactly have a stellar resume there but the combination of Colbert and Cowher seemed to click. Now you have a weak coach and its exposing some of Colbert's weaknesses as well. Although I think we all can find some things we did not like about Cowher, he did know how to evaluate talent and develop it. Look at the F/A's the man was responsible for. That's says a lot right there. Tomlin is in way over his head now since the last of Cowher's guys are just about gone and their replacements are not getting the job done.

 

[wig]

Offensively, I don't think the coaches trust Roethlisberger quite enough to give him the keys to the ferrari. They trust him enough to give him the keys to the family sedan. Tomlin doesn't know enough about offense to trust Roethlisberger to just do what he does so he hires strong-willed coaches like Arians and Haley to try to "teach" Roethlisberger, to mold him. Unfortunately, that puts Roethlisberger in a Oldsmobile that he doesn't fit in quite right and he goes out and tries to do cookies in the city park after dark when nobody's watching. Sometimes he gets away with it and often he doesn't but secretly he believes he could rip the **** out of that park in the ferrari.

Defensively Tomlin wants to switch over to an entirely different scheme and he's dismantled the personnel that Lebeau has put together for the 3-4 for years. What we're left with is mismatched guys who don't work for either and can't make Dick's defense work. That's my theory. Tomlin thinks he knows what he's doing but he sits there on the sidelines on game day with a complete deer-in-the-headlights look on his face and you KNOW he's desperately trying to figure out what the hell to do and and in his mind football is like advanced algebra to a 3rd grader.

 

[Wingman]

3?!?!?

Today was a good day

Interesting video, all of these folks can raise both hands and keep their pants up.