If Moore doesn’t get better in pass pass protection quickly, perhaps we make an offer to Daryl williams, if nobody picked him up yet…
Pre-Season Week 1 Observations.....
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Too build a little on what you wrote.
Rudolph played reasonably well. He throw the ball down field. Pickett surprised some people and by the lowest of standards did well vs the third string competing mostly the 0-5 yard passes. Who can't do that? Up next 10 throwing the football can having some catch it 7-10 yards down the field and occasionally 11-20 yards down the field. What he did is only sustainable vs the 3rd string.
McFarland shows the Steelers can run outside the tackles. Waiting for Harris to prove he can do this well. Warren showed he can run tough.
Pickens continues to show us why many think he a star. He has Lynn Swann like ability to track the football and go up and get it. He's tall, and fast, and one heck of a blocker. Love this guy. Olszewski is proving he can play receiver. He's not just a special teams guy.
Conner Heyward is making this team, I don't know who we will use him over ( Not Harris ) but he is making this team.
The OL didn't play well. K Green in particular was awful. Chucks was surprisingly sound. Davis needs work at guard. A lot of work. Big John Leglue was out best guard that night. The Steelers are hurting here.
Leal did some things. He's going to at least be in the Steelers rotation this year.
Jack can play. Can he stay healthy? Bush can't play, I saw a play we he was standing around out of postion and gave a halfhearted chase letting the other guys finish the player. He trending to be a bust, a BIG expensive two 1st round and a 3rd round bust. Robinson ended up making 5 combined takes, which is five more than Bush made, a sack, and caused a fumble. This guy can play but he's going to have to work on coverage. He can hit too and shed blocks because he's strong. Something else Bush doesn't do well.
The DB's didn't stand out expect for Kazee who's always around the ball.
Let's not go over board. The Young players and Rookies flashed, but it only the first pre-season game and we beat a really bad team.
Nice Summary Chico. You are one of the few reasons I come here.
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I highly doubt BUSH will be cut due to his rookie contract but also he serves as depth. I don't think he is a lock to start unless the coaches see something on a day to day bases that we fans don't get to see.
I want to see BUSH's game in the next one coming up and he best improve. Why can't he put his body into it, why can't he see the reads, why can't he be physical, a lot of questions involved with this 1st round pick.
No take in his attitude of late and I see a player who just doesn't seem to care and is a little delusional in his abilities.
I'm pulling for the young man to better himself and our beloved team so lets be oportunistic Mr. Bush and reach that success.
Salute the nation
I want to see BUSH's game in the next one coming up and he best improve. Why can't he put his body into it, why can't he see the reads, why can't he be physical, a lot of questions involved with this 1st round pick.
No take in his attitude of late and I see a player who just doesn't seem to care and is a little delusional in his abilities.
I'm pulling for the young man to better himself and our beloved team so lets be oportunistic Mr. Bush and reach that success.
Salute the nation
Man your viewpoints are always a painful read. Yeah Rudy throw the ball down the field. Is that in caveman talk? I will respond likewise. Yeah one good he throw one good. One he throw out of play. Ooga booga.
League was the best guard out there huh. Lulz k.
Pickett surprised people then you belittle his play.
You continue to be the biggest clown on this site.
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Bush = Bust
Coach accurately called Bush a bust, but then again I feel like he calls every one of our first round picks a bust lol
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Yeah, it will be fun watching Spillane get waxed in coverage by some random WR. They need to move away from both of them. Both have glaring holes in their game and neither is starting material.
That is what he is always knocking the majority of players. So yeah eventually the noob will get one right.
Bush flashed in his rookie season, and I was looking forward to seeing him progress, then the injury.
It seems to have affected his mind more than his body, with recent quotes leading me to believe he just doesn't care.
What's that saying, hard work beat talent the doesn't work hard, that's where he seems to be.
It seems to have affected his mind more than his body, with recent quotes leading me to believe he just doesn't care.
What's that saying, hard work beat talent the doesn't work hard, that's where he seems to be.
The problem is systemic. The cover 2 sets in this age require 2 ilbs to be superb in coverage… the 3/4 set we utilize ( which is a misnomer.. it actually roves from a 4 dl to 1 dl formation) is more pass rush than stopping the run based… so the solution is probably using a bigger safety as an ilb, but then power run squads are going to be harder to deal with
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Bush is awful. And to make it worse, he looks disinterested. He was asked if this was a make or break year and his answer was basically - who cares somebody will pay me next year.
The worst part is the steelers pretty much have to play Bush. Spillane will get abused in coverage. Robinson isn't ready. Maybe the steelers can make a trade. I don't mean Roquan Smith. I can't see them paying that much for an ILB. But they don't need a star. They just need a LB who isn't a complete liability against run or pass. A guy who can cover a bit and just be in the right place and take on blocks in the run game.
I felt Rudolph was the best QB in that game. Why? Because he made the only tough throw of the night. That was a great throw to Pickens. Rudolph did show a bit of mobility to extend a few plays as well. Trubisky didn't play long and his TD was on a blown coverage. Pickett had an impressive debut for a rookie, but there were a ton of easy throws and he didn't push it downfield.
Snell will or won't make this team for blocking and special teams. As an offensive player, he's behind McFarland and Warren and probably Teague. McFarland is making the team. They don't have another back like him. Warren had a fumble. He has to clean that up. He showed some upside as a receiver. If the OL is still shaky, Snell could make the team just on pass protection.
I already bet on Pickens to win rookie of the year. BTW Kenny Pickett is the favorite right now. Pickett is a natural. He has strong hands and seems to glide.
The OL wasn't terrible but not great either. Hopefully just communication issues.
The worst part is the steelers pretty much have to play Bush. Spillane will get abused in coverage. Robinson isn't ready. Maybe the steelers can make a trade. I don't mean Roquan Smith. I can't see them paying that much for an ILB. But they don't need a star. They just need a LB who isn't a complete liability against run or pass. A guy who can cover a bit and just be in the right place and take on blocks in the run game.
I felt Rudolph was the best QB in that game. Why? Because he made the only tough throw of the night. That was a great throw to Pickens. Rudolph did show a bit of mobility to extend a few plays as well. Trubisky didn't play long and his TD was on a blown coverage. Pickett had an impressive debut for a rookie, but there were a ton of easy throws and he didn't push it downfield.
Snell will or won't make this team for blocking and special teams. As an offensive player, he's behind McFarland and Warren and probably Teague. McFarland is making the team. They don't have another back like him. Warren had a fumble. He has to clean that up. He showed some upside as a receiver. If the OL is still shaky, Snell could make the team just on pass protection.
I already bet on Pickens to win rookie of the year. BTW Kenny Pickett is the favorite right now. Pickett is a natural. He has strong hands and seems to glide.
The OL wasn't terrible but not great either. Hopefully just communication issues.
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No stupid. I called J Jones, A Burns, and D Bush Busts. I questioned T Edmunds in round one, I had a third round grade on him. I wanted T Etienne not Harris, and I loved the Watt pick. Get it right for once and search the archives. Gee I might know what I'm talking about.
You had a third round grade on him huh. The fact that you don't study the draft or watch game film makes that a hilarious
statement. Glad you brought ET9 up a rare admission when you were dead *** wrong. Just as you were with you month long bet gone wrong, Just like you are wrong the majority of times you open your mouth. Adjust your tin hat and get back to licking those windows. They aren't going to clean themselves.No, Mason did NOT throw the ball downfield, or down field, or up field, or whatever you and another certain poster want to call it. I have no idea what the **** you two people are looking at.
As I documented clearly in the "Rudolph is trade bait" thread, only 2 of his 15 attempts were further than 9 yards past the line of scrimmage. He made a good deep throw on a phenomenal TD catch by Pickens, and the other was well out of bounds on a ball where he gave Pickens no shot. That's it.
Amazing.
Wow. Basing their whole performance on one pass. That's smart.
I'd say it was a good throw, and a great catch made by Pickens. You think Christian Blake or Tyler Vaughns (the kind of guys Pickett was out there with) have the ability to get both feet in and make that sort of play for their quarterback?
Which plays were those?
While Pickett did mostly execute the short passing game, he also showed good arm strength on a couple of medium-level outs to Cody White and Vaughns for the touchdown. Along with the deep incompletion to Blake, he actually had more attempts past ten yards than Rudolph did.
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you could say the same for KP. mostly short throws. the TD to win the game was a short pass where the WR made a good play. it is not a bad thing to have 3 good QBs
I did say that.
The TD to win the game was not a short pass, it was an 11-yard out on a line from the far hashmarks. An "NFL throw" for sure.
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I want KP to be our guy for the next 14-18 years. but it was 10-11 yards. against a CB and WR that probs wont make their teams. the WR made the better play than the QB
The wide receiver made a nice play after the catch, indeed. But again, we're talking about the pass itself -- it was neither short, nor easy. An out like that from the far side of the field is one of the most difficult throws in the route tree. Especially with a defender right in the QB's face. Don't dismiss it.
Now, if Pickett shows that he can also throw the deep out (around 15 yards) successfully, then your wish may very well come true.
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hope so. I would love for the Steelers to be one of the very few teams that draft back to back franchise QBs. I thnk KP can end up being the guy. but this year is not his year. Mitch hopefully will start the entire year. and I hope MR stays on as well.
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All 3 QBs threw short almost exclusively. Trubisky was 0-2 on deep throws. Rudolph was 1-1 and the TD. Pickett was 0-1. Trubisky and Rudolph looked for downfield opportunities before checking down. Pickett did not look downfield very much and threw quickly. Pickett had 5 completions of 3 yards or less.
Pickett's weakness is that he holds the ball too long. He did it at Pitt and reports are that he's done that all camp too. Maybe they wanted him working on quick throws in the game and that's why it was all short, quick throws. Good debut but nothing to wet your pants over in terms of difficulty. People complained how Ben threw too short and that was holding back the offense. Pickett does exactly that same thing and it's a great performance.
So yes, on this short sample of 3 QBs, i do think that single play by Rudolph is enough to say he had the best game because that was really the only difficult completion of the game.
That's no statement that Mason should be QB 1, just that in this one game he was the only QB to really make a special throw.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but according to camp stats he is the most accurate of the QB, and the best down field passer, who's average catch per completion is noticeably higher than Trubisky and much high than Pickett's. Why is that? He threw more TD's too. The other qb's have been mostly check down passers. Now I'm not saying he should start. For openers that's because we know who he is. A back up QB. Secondarily we gave a big deal in free agency to Turbisky and spent or first round pick on Pickett. Thirdly he is a free agent next year, and will demand a lot of money if he's then man in Pittsburgh.
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everybody keep saying know who he is, a backup. If he is the best passer on the team and has a winning record maybe we should not say he is just a backup and that he is a potential starter. He had one bad throw but the rest were better than I saw from Pickett or Trubisky. Pickett gets a pass as he is young. Trubisky is way to up and down. I think he will be great some games and others look like Mark Malone. Mason's issue is Canada and his preference for a more nimble QB. Mason can run but ne isn't light on his feet. He is always looking throw first and second and check down before he even thinks about running. With this line that will get him killed. He may well be the best passer on the team but he won't fit the system we have correctly and that is what's holding him back.
We all know what RedZone Rudy's problem is he can't consistently put the ball in those right windows. No way Rudolph is the best passer on the team. Sheet it isn't like he hasn't shined in preseason before. But get to regular season it is the same ol issues surface.
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False he has only had one bad regular season game since 2019. Yes it is practice but by Williamson and Lolley's reporting he was the best in camp at throwing guys open and hitting tight windows. In games that would come with playing regularly with a consistent receiving corps, something he was far from having in 2019 and even in the Lions game as they were dropping balls and fumbling. I am not saying to start him as he isn't the best fit for Canadas scheme but I truly believe at this minute he is the most refined passer on the team. Hopefully Pickett surpasses him but I am less confident in the pocket passing of Trubisky. He has to have limited reads and be put on the move, which is what seemingly Canada does best.
