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diver said:
I don't know, man. Maybe. I think it's more though that people are just sick and tired of the same crap being reiterated over and over and over and over and over...I could keep going, again. I don't think there is a person that posts here that doesn't wish the Steelers had a different coach. If anyone else in your life, your wife, or your kid or whatever, would just keep saying the same thing all the time you'd tell them to shut the hell up. And it would be reasonable to say that. Here, in this weird world? Somehow it gets construed as support for Tomlin if you get sick of it.

As for the QB position, he isn't the first coach to mangle it. Noll's list of QBs post Bradshaw was nothing to write home about. What is always said in support of Cowher? "When he finally got a QB he won it!" Well, what the hell was he doing at the position for his first 13 years or so of coaching?
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jitter77 said:
I feel this is a little unfair to TJ. Saying he has pretty boy muscles makes it seem like they are just for looks and useless. I think TJ is pretty tough and a gritty player. I agree with the intimidation factor though. TJ can be a game wrecker, but i don't think he strikes fear in opponents like Lambert, Harrison, Lloyd etc etc. Harrison seemed like he genuinely wanted to kill you while TJ is content just making the play.
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or hes just from the mountains of caucascus
 
diver said:
Today, almost every year a team, regardless of how good the defense is, has to outscored someone. It happens in a 16/17 game schedule. It isn't 1976.

Why couldn't Ben and the offense outscore them?
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The offense never had a sense of urgency in Tomlin Special games but here we are years later with Tomlin trying to win 16-15 and avoiding the MOF so he gets no pass with offense. When have his teams ever stomped on weaker teams with any regularity? That's where "we're not looking for style points" came from.
 
SojournerSteel said:
With no disrespect to Mike Glennon or the late Ryan Mallett signed one weak off the scrap heap, Tomlin's defense got picked apart by those guys with Ben at QB as just a couple of examples that come to mind with him having one of the Top 5-8 most physically gifted QBs to ever play and routinely snatching defeat from the jaws of easy victory.
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wtf i never heard this news about Mallett drowning..
 
diver said:
Now you are changing the argument. I agree with that. But the original point was how Tomlin has mangled the QB position the last number of years. Noll didn't win anything after Bradshaw and Cowher didn't win before Ben. They could also be accused of mangaling. Or are you adjusting the argument again by using playoff wins? I thought it was about championships.

It's another argument that while true I don't quite get Steeler fans making. He hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. Yeah. But I wouldn't feel any better about things if they won a bunch of playoff games and not the Super Bowl. That would suck just as much.
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I'm not changing the argument. Read my post where I highlighted one line you wrote and I responded to that line.

The rest of your response is just your spew; nothing to do with my comment.

And Tomlin didn't win that 2016 PO game. Peezy won it with a game changing tactic by driving Pac-Man nuts with a couple comments and a look; otherwise the bungles win.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Here’s a thought………..

Even in the Pre-Superbowl era, the Steelers made bone-headed moves from top to bottom. Owners / coaches / GMs /even players did sh-it laughable.

One thing was know for certain, when you played the STEELERS, you were in for a very physical beating / game, win or lose. That physicality carried over through Coach Cowher’s tenure.

Today’s team is SOFT, from the top down, outright soft. Other teams come to town and push us around, when was the last time you saw a Steeler start a fight or mouth off openly to an opponent?

When was the last time our coach (cowher) ran down a ref and stuck a pic in his pocket, but instead a coach (Tomlin) running out of the way of a opposing kick returner…….

How about an owner standing up for his team, telling Godell to **** off when they scheduled the covid debacle 3 games. (Baltimore did it), said they wouldn’t play with sick players out).

Just to repeat, this team is soft from top to bottom and that’s partly from no accountability from the top on down.




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I don’t think the players are soft, I think the scheme is soft. I think the coaches are soft. I’m not sure the ownership is soft as much as they are complacent. Either way, it is a problem.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Bill Belicheat is on 5 years without a playoff win and only 1 appearance in that time frame. He has only ever won 1 playoff game without Brady on the roster. Great QBs make great coaches. There are very, very few exceptions in the modern era and most of those were one year or one game wonders. Yes, we had Ben for some of those losses but he also contributed to some of those losses and was a shell of his former self. Tomlin hasn't won in a while, but you also can't take away the fact he gets them there. It is a double-edged sword. Do you knock him for losing those games or give him credit for getting flawed teams into those games. The truth lays somewhere in between. And yes, I still support Tomlin, but I am not blind to his faults as well.
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Cowher won playoff games, went to conference championships and made it to a Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell. Great coaches win with what they have and get more out of average players...
 
diver said:
I don't know, man. Maybe. I think it's more though that people are just sick and tired of the same crap being reiterated over and over and over and over and over...I could keep going, again. I don't think there is a person that posts here that doesn't wish the Steelers had a different coach. If anyone else in your life, your wife, or your kid or whatever, would just keep saying the same thing all the time you'd tell them to shut the hell up. And it would be reasonable to say that. Here, in this weird world? Somehow it gets construed as support for Tomlin if you get sick of it.

As for the QB position, he isn't the first coach to mangle it. Noll's list of QBs post Bradshaw was nothing to write home about. What is always said in support of Cowher? "When he finally got a QB he won it!" Well, what the hell was he doing at the position for his first 13 years or so of coaching?
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Cowher got to a Super Bowl with Neil O’Donnell. Damn near won it. I know you’ll dismiss it because he didn’t win it, but what Cowher built in order to win with what amounts to mediocre QB’s is pretty amazing. Cowher and Tomlin are not the same in that regard.
 
Sarge said:
Cowher got to a Super Bowl with Neil O’Donnell. Damn near won it. I know you’ll dismiss it because he didn’t win it, but what Cowher built in order to win with what amounts to mediocre QB’s is pretty amazing. Cowher and Tomlin are not the same in that regard.
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Just the overall feeling year to year was Bill won more with less and Mike falls short with more.

It all comes back to that X and O shortcoming that will plague Mike when it matters most.
 
diver said:
If anyone else in your life, your wife, or your kid or whatever, would just keep saying the same thing all the time you'd tell them to shut the hell up.
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Only if you’re a complete dumbass is “shut hell up” your response. Examples…

1) If my wife says the lawn needs mowed 5-6 times, guess what…I mow the lawn
2) If your kid keeps crying he’s hungry and there’s nothing to eat…ya go to the store and get some food
3) If your best friend says you should stop bringing home a different gal every night…ya get a new best friend.

Point is there are times to listen, and this dumbass ownership needs to open its ears and take the good advice…it’s not like the fanbase is saying something stupid like the best friend in example
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Sarge said:
I don’t think the players are soft, I think the scheme is soft. I think the coaches are soft. I’m not sure the ownership is soft as much as they are complacent. Either way, it is a problem.
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Tomlin is and has been living off of the Steeler name. He’s a lazy disgace.
 
Sarge said:
Cowher got to a Super Bowl with Neil O’Donnell. Damn near won it. I know you’ll dismiss it because he didn’t win it, but what Cowher built in order to win with what amounts to mediocre QB’s is pretty amazing. Cowher and Tomlin are not the same in that regard.
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It was different league with different economics in a big chunk of Cowhers tenure. Team building was far different.
 
gk1951 said:
Is this another AR “red alert” day?

Is a signing imminent?🤪😆😝😎
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This coming Tuesday is 3 days of mini camp, mandatory attendance.

AFTER that, 5 weeks of NO football.

Aaaa-Aron is not an employee of the Steelers. Odds are he does not attend.




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A-Rog has litteraly sat and waited for any other opportunity with ours being the last option and we have allowed it to go on. Embarrassing.
 
diver said:
Now you are changing the argument. I agree with that. But the original point was how Tomlin has mangled the QB position the last number of years. Noll didn't win anything after Bradshaw and Cowher didn't win before Ben. They could also be accused of mangaling. Or are you adjusting the argument again by using playoff wins? I thought it was about championships.

It's another argument that while true I don't quite get Steeler fans making. He hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. Yeah. But I wouldn't feel any better about things if they won a bunch of playoff games and not the Super Bowl. That would suck just as much.
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You’ve got the right to your opinion, I doubt many agree with you.

I know I’d want to the team to be relevant-winning playoff games and competing with the best even if they don’t win a Super Bowl- you half to be competitive before you win of course. I’d take that over this disaster we have now.

Cowhers teams could beat anyone-regular season or playoffs pre Ben

Tomlins teams are totally irrelevant post Ben. They are light years behind the Chiefs, Eagles, Bills etc. in the regular season and post season and can’t win a playoff game
 
diver said:
Now you are changing the argument. I agree with that. But the original point was how Tomlin has mangled the QB position the last number of years. Noll didn't win anything after Bradshaw and Cowher didn't win before Ben. They could also be accused of mangaling. Or are you adjusting the argument again by using playoff wins? I thought it was about championships.

It's another argument that while true I don't quite get Steeler fans making. He hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. Yeah. But I wouldn't feel any better about things if they won a bunch of playoff games and not the Super Bowl. That would suck just as much.
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There was a dictum from Jim Wexell some years back that Cowher should not get a pass for the QB position because he somewhat deemphasized the position and purportedly was in to draft Shawn Andrews until Dan intervened and suggested Roethlisberger if lore is correct. If that's true, then certainly Tomlin did not think it critical for Mason to have a QB coach as a first round grade and he completely hamfisted managing KP, Mitch and finally Mason not to mention clinging to the disastrous Matt Canada experiment for 45 games.

Cow at least put together some very competitive teams with lesser quarterbacks. Tomlin did almost everything wrong with the position to include doing what defenses cannot do in taking away 1/3 of the field.
 
Confluence said:
I'm not changing the argument. Read my post where I highlighted one line you wrote and I responded to that line.

The rest of your response is just your spew; nothing to do with my comment.

And Tomlin didn't win that 2016 PO game. Peezy won it with a game changing tactic by driving Pac-Man nuts with a couple comments and a look; otherwise the bungles win.
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I completely agree that Tomlin has screwed up the QB situation. How can anyone argue otherwise? But he isn't the only coach to ever do that, and we have 2 examples with the Steelers to show that. It seems so many here seem to think Tomlin is the first guy to screw this up.

I used Cowher as an example. Then the typical response is he won playoff games and went to the Super Bowl with average QBs before Ben, and that's true. But there is a bit of 20/20 rearview vision going on with this. I remember this place in late January of 2005. Nobody then wanted to hear those arguments. It was, overwhelmingly, if Cowher hadn't won it by this time, he never will. Nobody gave a damn about getting close and that's how it should be. I don't give a shiit of Tomlin makes the playoffs and wins a playoff game or two. If you get that far, you gotta take it home, or it means nothing. Maybe in the past it didn't, you could see a team building to something, but with the way the game is today with player movement, every year is almost a stand alone.
 
Sarge said:
Cowher got to a Super Bowl with Neil O’Donnell. Damn near won it. I know you’ll dismiss it because he didn’t win it, but what Cowher built in order to win with what amounts to mediocre QB’s is pretty amazing. Cowher and Tomlin are not the same in that regard.
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While I agree with you, the game has changed as well. If Tomlin could have punishing defenses and a physical running game like back then...oh wait.... never mind. We still wouldn't win anything that matters....we are talking Tomlin. Carry on:ROFLMAO:
 
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