Report of Ben’s last Season

[Gildong Sack]

I don't think anybody minds a little constructive criticism from time to time. I've made some critical comments about Ben's play myself. (Last night, if Ben throws under on that long pass to Washington when he sees the DB turn and run full deep cover that's likely a reception around the 5 or so. That was a bad read and play by Ben.) But a couple of you guys have full on vendettas against Roethlisberger. You aren't constructive. You aren't objective. There are guys that literally think Ben is worse than Mason Rudolph or some guy the ******* REDSKINS dumped. Jesus.

He's one of the 10 best QBs to EVER play the game. Is he perfect? No. Is there ANYBODY we could POSSIBLY field who could hold Roethlisberger's jock? No. Not even close.
Somebody in an earlier post said...

I have a great deal of respect for Bradshaw, but the comparison between he and Ben isn't close. The only thing Terry has is those 4 rings. And he was a huge part of those victories. I think Bradshaw may be one of the best "Big Game" QBs ever. But Bradshaw had one of the best defenses ever to play the game mostly together for the duration of his run. He had H.O.F. running backs and receivers together for the duration of his SB run. He had a H.O.F. coach who is in the H.O.F. for something more than "never having a losing season."

Ben has also had some stellar talent around him. But he's never had a coach who could gameplan his way out of a wet paper bag. If (as you suggest) teams can win now with sup-par or average QB talent, why the **** can't Tomlin win a ******* playoff game with one of the best QBS to ever play the ******* game?

Yeah I am not a Tomlin defender, as I've stated.

Ya, but AB has a RING. He has a RIIIIIING!

Yep. I won't address all the ignorant comments on here, just yours. I will say that all the nuthuggers are gushing today as if Ben beat the 85 Bears. The defense won the game last night, that and Jackson lost it. 7 sacks 3 for Wormley.... The Ravens went searching local area high schools for DBs as they didn't have any left. Yet Ben still managed to throw a pick to those bums that was turned over luckily. He made a great throw that DJ dropped for a TD. And you are going to have that with washed QBs, they'll have a great moment then a bunch of crappy ones. I am not a Ben hater as most of the low IQ sycophants here believe. He is what he is...again I don't kid myself. They will probably beat the Vikings then hit the skids from there on out. And everyone who is praising Ben right now for a pedestrian performance , will when he plays terrible toward the end of the schedule......of course blame the OC or Tomlin. That's what clueless, delusional, nuthuggers do. LoL..

 

[wig]

I merely point out that one of your defenses of the "Ben has sucked for over a decade" argument was that AB went off and got a ring.
He got a ring in a secondary role when he was added to the most "loaded" team in the NFL and Brown barely contributed. Everyone on a team gets a ring, regardless of the value of their contribution to a SB winning season.
AB isn't 1/4 the player he was while in Pittsburgh. I'm sure there are a TON of reasons for that, but certainly the argument can be made that the QB was at least a significant contributor to AB's success.
The only receiver I can think of who has had more success after leaving the Steelers with Ben at QB is Emmanuel Sanders. And frankly he's done nothing but bounce around from H.O.F. QB to H.O.F. QB. It would be difficult to honestly judge his ability given the fact that he's pretty much always had elite QBs throwing him the ball.

Look, I get that you feel Ben is useless. You wish we'd have gone with Tee Martin or stayed with Kent Graham. Those were average QBs that apparently under your system would have won 5 or 6 SBs by now.

What we do know is that Aaron Rodgers would be apparently useless here, as he probably isn't pedestrian enough to thrive under this extraordinary new offensive scheme you have envisioned. So do let's not hang on his or Brady's nuts, yes?

 

[topseed]

He's one of the 10 best QBs to EVER play the game. Is he perfect? No. Is there ANYBODY we could POSSIBLY field who could hold Roethlisberger's jock? No. Not even close.

Ben's had a great career, and he remains my all-time favorite Steeler. But you're telling me that he's one of the top ten quarterbacks of all-time? C'mon, man. I'd love to see your top twenty list, and who you have ranked behind him.

 

[TDX27]

Maybe he is getting help. That wouldn't necessarily be reported.

Hopefully he is and that would be all the more reason for him to be back by now.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Look, I feel for Tuitt as well. I said this months ago. But, you need to move on. No one gets more than a couple weeks off for bereavement. If you are that emotionally damaged, you must seek psychiatric help and the Steelers should have forced him to do it for his own good after about 2 months. Offer it to him at first and then force him if he won't do it on his own. I was devastated when my dad died. My sister took it even harder. Everyone grieves differently but we all move on the best we can. It's been almost 3 years since my dad died and I still break down and ball my eyes out - especially during football season. We used to text and call back and forth all during the games. Hell, I'll admit it, I still send him texts during the game. But life MUST go on. Tuitt should have move on in some way so he could function at work and in society again. He was rehabbing. He was supposedly ready to start practicing again. Then, nothing. This is one him and on the Steelers if they didn't help force him into getting help.

I'm sorry about your daD. When my dad passed I had a hard time as well but I still managed to continue in life, like you say.

I'm compassionate for Tuitt as well but sooner or later you have to take that step and it doesn't seem that step is happening. I don't have day to day access so I can't judge or give the action needed but there is action needed regardless. If physical it would be disclosed on injury report but I think it's more than that.

I hope the yopuing man gets the help needed and can be productive in societyas well as the work force.

Maybe he is getting help. That wouldn't necessarily be reported.

I'd think HIPPA has a say on what can / can not be reported that is why I think there is more than physical to it. You know more than I abvout hippa and whats allowed to make public.




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[Gildong Sack]

I merely point out that one of your defenses of the "Ben has sucked for over a decade" argument was that AB went off and got a ring.
He got a ring in a secondary role when he was added to the most "loaded" team in the NFL and Brown barely contributed. Everyone on a team gets a ring, regardless of the value of their contribution to a SB winning season.
AB isn't 1/4 the player he was while in Pittsburgh. I'm sure there are a TON of reasons for that, but certainly the argument can be made that the QB was at least a significant contributor to AB's success.
The only receiver I can think of who has had more success after leaving the Steelers with Ben at QB is Emmanuel Sanders. And frankly he's done nothing but bounce around from H.O.F. QB to H.O.F. QB. It would be difficult to honestly judge his ability given the fact that he's pretty much always had elite QBs throwing him the ball.

Look, I get that you feel Ben is useless. You wish we'd have gone with Tee Martin or stayed with Kent Graham. Those were average QBs that apparently under your system would have won 5 or 6 SBs by now.

What we do know is that Aaron Rodgers would be apparently useless here, as he probably isn't pedestrian enough to thrive under this extraordinary new offensive scheme you have envisioned. So do let's not hang onan his or Brady's nuts, yes?

Do you know what a straw man argument is? That's what you are engaged in. I never said Ben has sucked for over a decade and I never said he was useless....Jesus you people.

 

[slashsteel]

I'm sorry about your daD. When my dad passed I had a hard time as well but I still managed to continue in life, like you say.

I'm compassionate for Tuitt as well but sooner or later you have to take that step and it doesn't seem that step is happening. I don't have day to day access so I can't judge or give the action needed but there is action needed regardless. If physical it would be disclosed on injury report but I think it's more than that.

I hope the yopuing man gets the help needed and can be productive in societyas well as the work force.





I'd think HIPPA has a say on what can / can not be reported that is why I think there is more than physical to it. You know more than I abvout hippa and whats allowed to make public.




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Nothing is allowed to be made public from your medical records. I can't even view my records without going through the proper steps. They really have medical privacy on lockdown.

 

[slashsteel]

Do you know what a straw man argument is? That's what you are engaged in. I never said Ben has sucked for over a decade and I never said he was useless....Jesus you people.

What do you mean by , "you people"?

 

[Gildong Sack]

What do you mean by , "you people"?

I was talking about the Ben can do NO wrong superfans...I think I'll stop calling them nut huggers. I usually use that only for the media and Brady.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Look, I feel for Tuitt as well. I said this months ago. But, you need to move on. No one gets more than a couple weeks off for bereavement. If you are that emotionally damaged, you must seek psychiatric help and the Steelers should have forced him to do it for his own good after about 2 months. Offer it to him at first and then force him if he won't do it on his own. I was devastated when my dad died. My sister took it even harder. Everyone grieves differently but we all move on the best we can. It's been almost 3 years since my dad died and I still break down and ball my eyes out - especially during football season. We used to text and call back and forth all during the games. Hell, I'll admit it, I still send him texts during the game. But life MUST go on. Tuitt should have move on in some way so he could function at work and in society again. He was rehabbing. He was supposedly ready to start practicing again. Then, nothing. This is one him and on the Steelers if they didn't help force him into getting help.

People do grieve differently. The circumstances definitely dictate how a person handles personal loss of that nature. It was a completely unexpected loss of which there is still an ongoing investigation to the maniac that hit Tuitt‘s brother. Something different to those of us who have lost loved ones or close friends to cancer or other comorbid medical conditions.

Slash is right, Tuitt has had help dealing with his emotional and mental discord. I expect everyone in his family has. But the public won’t ever know how much unless Stephon comments on it. Personally it’s none of our business to question how he is to handle his loss, but only to wish him peace and comfort to help him back to his friends and teammates.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Uh... Are you saying they ought to go find a H.O.F. QB that ranks in the top 10 across virtually every statistical category for QBs all time, sitting in the top 5 for several of them? A guy who has made Terry Bradshaw look like one of hundreds of Browns QBs over the last couple decades? A guy who could be so amazing he could be in third place all time for 4th quarter comeback wins? A guy who can post a perfect passer rating in the 4th quarter of a slugfest with the Ravens and come from behind and win it? A guy like that?

Where could we find a guy like that...

Are we also going to ignore the games Ben hasn't played well in? Listen, he's one of my favorite players ever. He's the best QB in franchise history and he deserves to go out on his own terms. I want him to light it up the rest of the season and the Steelers make the playoffs. Sunday was not the best game I've ever been to, but it was one the most satisfying wins I've watch. However, let's not pretend anyone is wishing a Hall of Fame QB in his prime will go away. No one is asking for that at all. Many recognize Roethlisberger for what he is at this point of his career and know that the Steelers need to invest in the position moving forward if they want to compete for championships.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Well.. Ya. Cause Tomlin has demonstrated CLEARLY that he's really ******* good at that.

You better watch saying that or you may get called out in this thread...

 

[Supersteeler]

Ben's had a great career, and he remains my all-time favorite Steeler. But you're telling me that he's one of the top ten quarterbacks of all-time? C'mon, man. I'd love to see your top twenty list, and who you have ranked behind him.

Well he's 6th all time in yards and 8th all time in passing TD;s, so yeah I'd say he's definitely in the conversation for top 10.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Well he's 6th all time in yards and 8th all time in passing TD;s, so yeah I'd say he's definitely in the conversation for top 10.

I'm on board with this as well, add in the game winning drives and come from behind victories. Match Ben's overall offensive line play and you will find he has played behind lesser caliber OLs than any other top 10 rated QB.

So top 10, hell yes but maybe top 6.



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[topseed]

Well he's 6th all time in yards and 8th all time in passing TD;s, so yeah I'd say he's definitely in the conversation for top 10.

Philip Rivers is in the top six in both of those categories. So what?

 

[jitter77]

Philip Rivers is in the top six in both of those categories. So what?

I think putting Ben in the top 10 would be tough. Just off the top of my head you have Montana, Brady, Manning, Brees, Marino, Young, Bradshaw. Then you have guys like Aikman, Elway, Favre, Jim Kelly, Rodgers. Thats not even taking into consideration some of the old timers. Ben is a great QB and a perfect fit for the steelers, but I think squeezing him into the top 10 would be difficult.

 

[insaniti]

I think putting Ben in the top 10 would be tough. Just off the top of my head you have Montana, Brady, Manning, Brees, Marino, Young, Bradshaw. Then you have guys like Aikman, Elway, Favre, Jim Kelly, Rodgers. Thats not even taking into consideration some of the old timers. Ben is a great QB and a perfect fit for the steelers, but I think squeezing him into the top 10 would be difficult.

What makes Aikman better than Ben? In fact, in every conversation of the best QB's to ever play the game, I don't think I've ever heard Aikman's name brought up.

 

[topseed]

I think putting Ben in the top 10 would be tough. Just off the top of my head you have Montana, Brady, Manning, Brees, Marino, Young, Bradshaw. Then you have guys like Aikman, Elway, Favre, Jim Kelly, Rodgers. Thats not even taking into consideration some of the old timers. Ben is a great QB and a perfect fit for the steelers, but I think squeezing him into the top 10 would be difficult.

The problem with putting Ben in the all-time top ten is: He's probably only #5 in his own generation, behind Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. He's behind Montana and Marino without a doubt. He's probably behind Young, Elway, Favre, Kelly, and I'd add Fouts and Staubach. Bradshaw to me is debatable. Then you have those old-timers like Graham, Dawson, and Unitas. I'd put Ben somewhere between 15 and 20.

 

[slashsteel]

The problem with putting Ben in the all-time top ten is: He's probably only #5 in his own generation, behind Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. He's behind Montana and Marino without a doubt. He's probably behind Young, Elway, Favre, Kelly, and I'd add Fouts and Staubach. Bradshaw to me is debatable. Then you have those old-timers like Graham, Dawson, and Unitas. I'd put Ben somewhere between 15 and 20.

He is 5 and 6 in regular season wins and post season wins. Add two SB victories and three SB appearances. All time TDs thrown? 8th. Postseason? 7th. What about when the game is on the line as in 4th quarter comebacks? He is 3rd. No way he isn't a top ten QB. Statistically where it matters he matters...

 

[Steelmann]

The only thing Terry has is those 4 rings.

A guy who has made Terry Bradshaw look like one of hundreds of Browns QBs over the last couple decades?

Lol.....I really must repeat your quotes. “ The only thing Terry has is those 4 rings.” Lol. Is that all?

“A guy who has made Terry Bradshaw look like one of HUNDREDS of Browns QBs over the last decade. “ lol. HUNDREDS.

I have been on this board for a long time. These two quotes might go down as the most idiotic I have read.
In fact,I’m sure you’re quite proud of them. Perhaps as stickies under your wig handle would be a good place for them.

While I am quite sure Big Ben is one of the few QB’s in today’s NFL that would have thrived in TB’s era,comparing the two is just apples and oranges. It’s just a different game. Is it not enough that we have two legendary first Ballet HOF QB’s? By the way. Terry had a gun for an arm. He might not have done so bad himself in today’s NFL.

You seem to love to single out posters if they have the audacity to criticize Big Ben. Haters. You gleefully go on and on and on like a little child. Now wanting to rub any Of your haters nose in it when he has a good game. We are all Steelers fans. We all want them to win. Knocking down Terry Bradshaw’s achievements is just a joke. But I guess all he’s got “ is four rings”

 

[Hypocycloids]

The problem with putting Ben in the all-time top ten is: He's probably only #5 in his own generation, behind Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. He's behind Montana and Marino without a doubt. He's probably behind Young, Elway, Favre, Kelly, and I'd add Fouts and Staubach. Bradshaw to me is debatable. Then you have those old-timers like Graham, Dawson, and Unitas. I'd put Ben somewhere between 15 and 20.

To me "no brainers" decide who is a top 10 QB. It's a no brainer that guys like Brady, Manning and Rodgers are top 10 QB's.

If it has to be debated, whether here or in the sports media, then Ben must not be a top 10 QB. Thats one way of looking at it.

 

[slashsteel]

To me "no brainers" decide who is a top 10 QB. It's a no brainer that guys like Brady, Manning and Rodgers are top 10 QB's.

If it has to be debated, whether here or in the sports media, then Ben must not be a top 10 QB. Thats one way of looking at it.

Media has agendas, posters have preferences sometimes based on pure opinion. I damn sure wouldn't base a conclusion on little to no factual data to support their stance. By discussion I gave factual statistical data to support my claims. Someone anyone is welcome to prove me wrong.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Philip Rivers is in the top six in both of those categories. So what?

Excuse me,................... how many Super Bowls has philip got, how many has he appeared in ?




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[Drink IRON City]

To me "no brainers" decide who is a top 10 QB. It's a no brainer that guys like Brady, Manning and Rodgers are top 10 QB's.

If it has to be debated, whether here or in the sports media, then Ben must not be a top 10 QB. Thats one way of looking at it.

With BEN ROETHLISBERGER comes debate on the negative side, haven't you watched anything Media generated in the last forever in his career. He has been conveinently over looked not only for league MVP but also Super Bowl MVP. Most under-rated QB in league history.




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[Hypocycloids]

Media has agendas, posters have preferences sometimes based on pure opinion. I damn sure wouldn't base a conclusion on little to no factual data to support their stance. By discussion I gave factual statistical data to support my claims. Someone anyone is welcome to prove me wrong.

Agree.
But that's what discussion boards are for...to express one's opinions. I just don't think people should get testy or mock those who have some reservations about Ben...criticisms that are within reason that is.

Ben a HOF'er? Absolutely. Now that's a no brainer.