Should the Steelers give Timmons a spot in camp?

[Ike Kelly]

20 of my top 50 players are HOFers!!

Did LT make the list?


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[Stryker]

Did LT make the list?


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To tell you the truth, I'm not sure, then again, I don't know how many ILBs I can put in the top 50 with Ham, Lambert, Kirkland, Chad Brown, and Andy Russel. Still Timmons was the best player on our D for the previous 3 years before Shazier. Another ILB that is better than him, but lacked the longevity.

 

[Coach]

To tell you the truth, I'm not sure, then again, I don't know how many ILBs I can put in the top 50 with Ham, Lambert, Kirkland, Chad Brown, and Andy Russel. Still Timmons was the best player on our D for the previous 3 years before Shazier. Another ILB that is better than him, but lacked the longevity.

Timmons work on the Steelers:

100+ tackles 8 times
35.5 sacks
12 interceptions
45 passes defended
13 forced fumbles
7 fumble recovers
Pro Bowl

IRON MAN, played 16 games six years in a row, other seasons 15 games

Notes:

Chad Brown only played four season for the Steelers, or 5 if you count 2006 when he came back old and started zero games.

I put Russell and Kirkland on the list.

 

[Coach]

Leaving the coaches out doesn’t change the decision to leave two of them with much higher pedigrees behind LT.

You replying thanks are unfounded. That list of names is impressive not because you picked them. 99% of knowledgeable fans would as well. They are impressive because of how many there are, even though you left out the pre-merger players. Which is ludicrous in itself. Just because you didn’t see Jack Butler or John Henry Johnson, Whizzer White, Bobby Layne and Ernie doesn’t mean they don’t belong in someone’s top 50. All of these players were significantly more impactful to the Steelers than LT. Oh, and they all are Hall of Famers as well.

Rocky was more important in achieving those 4 Lombardi’s than you can realize. His stats didn’t tell all the story. He was clutch and made some fantastic plays during his time. Swann is in the Hall, but Rocky made just as many plays when it was needed during those championships.

Lawrence was a good football for the Steelers during his time. IMO he was an excellent player when he started for Pittsburgh. An important piece to the defense before Shazier. But Father Time is undefeated. LT, if anything is a role playing backup, at this point.


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You could add Jack Butler, John Henry Johnson, Whizzer White, Bobby Layne and Ernie S.to the list. Timmons still makes the cut.

As for Rocky, I love the guy, but he as primary to winning as many others were. . I'd take Bradshaw, Swann. Stallworth, Webster, Harris, and Kolb over him. That's 6 guys on an 11 man offense. Maybe Rocky would be 7th or 8th most important to the OFFENSE, and we aren't even talking about the DEFENSIVE side of the ball.

Rocky currently rates 9th all time on the Steelers rushing list. Yes--rocky made some bog plays for the team. So did Willie Parker, who currently ranks 3rd on the all time Steelers rushing list, and I'd argue Parker's 75 yard run on the superbowl was a primary reason why we beat Seattle. Parker didn't make my cut for the top 50 either.

 

[SteveA]

As for Rocky, I love the guy, but he as primary to winning as many others were. . I'd take Bradshaw, Swann. Stallworth, Webster, Harris, and Kolb over him. That's 6 guys on an 11 man offense. Maybe Rocky would be 7th or 8th most important to the OFFENSE, and we aren't even talking about the DEFENSIVE side of the ball.

Rocky currently rates 9th all time on the Steelers rushing list. Yes--rocky made some bog plays for the team. So did Willie Parker, who currently ranks 3rd on the all time Steelers rushing list, and I'd argue Parker's 75 yard run on the superbowl was a primary reason why we beat Seattle. Parker didn't make my cut for the top 50 either.

I guess when we talk about someone being "Great", there are always those who are WAAAYYYY larger than they appear to be. The Rock is one. Stats is one aspect for sure. But in that day the Fullback was VERY important to the running game that we relied on so heavily.....Statistics wise yeah, he is left off. But intangibles, man it is really tough to NOT say he is one of THE GREATEST STEELERS OF ALL TIME....

 

[Ike Kelly]

You could add Jack Butler, John Henry Johnson, Whizzer White, Bobby Layne and Ernie S.to the list. Timmons still makes the cut.

As for Rocky, I love the guy, but he as primary to winning as many others were. . I'd take Bradshaw, Swann. Stallworth, Webster, Harris, and Kolb over him. That's 6 guys on an 11 man offense. Maybe Rocky would be 7th or 8th most important to the OFFENSE, and we aren't even talking about the DEFENSIVE side of the ball.

Rocky currently rates 9th all time on the Steelers rushing list. Yes--rocky made some bog plays for the team. So did Willie Parker, who currently ranks 3rd on the all time Steelers rushing list, and I'd argue Parker's 75 yard run on the superbowl was a primary reason why we beat Seattle. Parker didn't make my cut for the top 50 either.

Curious, who are you cutting out to replace those five players and STILL keep LT on your list?

 

[Coach]

Curious, who are you cutting out to replace those five players and STILL keep LT on your list?

I prefer to rate guys I see, which is a reason I said since the NFL - AFL Merger. The last 5 on the list in spots 45-50 are the first one to make room for pre NFL -AFL merger if I changed the rules. Timmons wasn't placed in the top 46-50. I'd placed LT at spot #39.

John Henry Johnson only had 5 productive years on the Steelers, with just two 1,000 yard rushing seasons. Great for a shorter period of time if you will. I value years of service as part of the formula.

 

[Stryker]

I prefer to rate guys I see, which is a reason I said since the NFL - AFL Merger. The last 5 on the list in spots 45-50 are the first one to make room for pre NFL -AFL merger if I changed the rules. Timmons wasn't placed in the top 46-50. I'd placed LT at spot #39.

John Henry Johnson only had 5 productive years on the Steelers, with just two 1,000 yard rushing seasons. Great for a shorter period of time if you will. I value years of service as part of the formula.

That's fair, here are some interesting RB stats.

JHJ is 5th on the team in rushing yards. Parker is 3rd, and only 42 rushing yards ahead of Bell. Bell also has 11 more TDs than Parker.

 

[Ike Kelly]

I prefer to rate guys I see, which is a reason I said since the NFL - AFL Merger. The last 5 on the list in spots 45-50 are the first one to make room for pre NFL -AFL merger if I changed the rules. Timmons wasn't placed in the top 46-50. I'd placed LT at spot #39.

John Henry Johnson only had 5 productive years on the Steelers, with just two 1,000 yard rushing seasons. Great for a shorter period of time if you will. I value years of service as part of the formula.

Johnson is HOF. 1k yards in his era wasn’t as easy as it was in the 90’s - post century.

You value years in your formula? Where’s John Jackson? As Bleed said before Marvel Smith? They were much more talented than Max Starks whose on your list. Of which both players started two-three or more times as many games as Starks. Heck Jeff Hartings could be considered a better pick than Max. No Mark Bruener either? He was the best TE for a decade.

It’s your list of 50. Not a consensus. Enjoy it. Just don’t try to explain how you came to it. You are better off that way.


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[Stryker]

Max Starks if very underrated. He won a superbowl at 2 different positions on the offensive line. The team didn't want to let him go and tagged him twice, then when he left, he came back...twice. Dude is an all time Steeler in my book. Top 50? That's debatable, but he gave everything to his team and his great friend Big Ben!

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

QB
1 Terry Bradshaw
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Bobby Layne HOF

RB/FB
1. Jerome Bettis
2. Franco Harris
3. Leveon Bell.
4. John Henry Johnson HOF
5. Bill Dudley HOF HM Blier

TE
1. Heath Miller
2. Mark Bruener (mainly for his blocking for the bus)
HM Eric Green , short career big impact

WR
1. Lynn Swann
2. John Stalworth
3. Louis Lipps
4. Hines Ward
5. Antonio Brown

Center
1. Webster
2. Dawson
3. Pouncy

Guard
1. Alan Faneca
2. David Decastro

Tackle
1. Jon Kolb
2. Tunch Ilkin
3. Marvel Smith
4. Larry Brown

PK
1. Gary Anderson
2. Shaun Suisham

P.
1. Bobby Walden


Total 27

Defense

DT
1. Joe Greene
2. Dwight White
3. LC Greenwood
4. Casey Hampton
5. Aaron Smith
6. Ernie Stautner HOF

LB
1. James Harrison
2. Greg Lloyd
3. Jason Gildon
4. Joey Porter
5. James Farrior
6. Mike Merriweather
7. Jack Lambert
8. Jack Ham
9. Andy Russel
10. Levon Kirkland
11. Ryan Shazier IDC. He was great and better than timdong

CB
1. Mel Blount
2. Rod Woodson
3. Ike Taylor
4. Dwayne Woodruff
5. Jack Butler HOF

S
1. Donnnie Shell
2. Troy Polumalu
3. Carnell Lake
4. Mike Wagner
5. Ryan Clark

27 Defense

 

[Ike Kelly]

Max Starks if very underrated. He won a superbowl at 2 different positions on the offensive line. The team didn't want to let him go and tagged him twice, then when he left, he came back...twice. Dude is an all time Steeler in my book. Top 50? That's debatable, but he gave everything to his team and his great friend Big Ben!

Oh I loved Max Starks....penultimate team player. Did his job, I don't think he had any complaints.....Lunch pail guy. Like Strelzyck, He does a good job in the TV business too.

 

[Coach]

QB
1 Terry Bradshaw
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Bobby Layne HOF

RB/FB
1. Jerome Bettis
2. Franco Harris
3. Leveon Bell.
4. John Henry Johnson HOF
5. Bill Dudley HOF HM Blier

TE
1. Heath Miller
2. Mark Bruener (mainly for his blocking for the bus)
HM Eric Green , short career big impact
WR
1. Lynn Swann
2. John Stalworth
3. Louis Lipps
4. Hines Ward
5. Antonio Brown

Center
1. Webster
2. Dawson
3. Pouncy

Guard
1. Alan Faneca
2. David Decastro

Tackle
1. Jon Kolb
2. Tunch Ilkin
3. Marvel Smith
4. Larry Brown

PK
1. Gary Anderson
2. Shaun Suisham
P.
1. Bobby Walden


Total 27

Defense

DT
1. Joe Greene
2. Dwight White
3. LC Greenwood
4. Casey Hampton
5. Aaron Smith
6. Ernie Stautner HOF

LB
1. James Harrison
2. Greg Lloyd
3. Jason Gildon
4. Joey Porter
5. James Farrior
6. Mike Merriweather
7. Jack Lambert
8. Jack Ham
9. Andy Russel
10. Levon Kirkland
11. Ryan Shazier IDC. He was great and better than timdong

CB
1. Mel Blount
2. Rod Woodson
3. Ike Taylor
4. Dwayne Woodruff
5. Jack Butler HOF

S
1. Donnnie Shell
2. Troy Polumalu
3. Carnell Lake
4. Mike Wagner
5. Ryan Clark

27 Defense

I'll laugh at four of these picks, others are debatable. But for now:

Shaun Suisham a top 50 Steeler??? Hell no. He only played four years, had a really bad season and lacked rage. A very stupid pick. Never made a pro bowl either.

Marvell Smith? Not better than Timmons. Lower AV value by a big margin on Pro football reference, a 3rd party data system I do not control. A decent player, though he didn't even play 10 seasons as a Steeler. Suspended for pot, correct?

Mark Bruener - B()LL ****. Bruener was not better than Timmons. A blocker type. Limited pass catcher. A joke of pick again.

Bobby Walden? Sure a punter with a career average as a Steeler of 41.1 yards per kick is a top 50 Steeler of all time in your mind? Amazing.....he also had 5 kicks blocked.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Not arguing with a moron. Go make another post. We need more loll's.

 

[Coach]

Not arguing with a moron. Go make another post. We need more loll's.

Shaun Suisham, Mark Bruener and Bobby Walden top 50 all time great Steelers?. Do you have any idea how foolish you look?. I bet you can't argue with me. I'd challenge you to a battle of wits, but I can see you are unarmed. Get with the program, Francis.

If you going to call me out for a debate, punting the topic isn't going to make you look better.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Just picking at least one player at the positions. Bobby walden has the best stats at punter. Mark bruener was a blocking TE. He was reliable though. Eric Green was more dynamic and a pass catcher,, but was here very short. Although two probowls.
You yourself put gary Anderson on the list. But surely we can have more than 1 at a position. Suishams numbers are better than andersons. His career was cut short by injury. Tell you what , You can take all 3 off. Timmons still doesn't make the cut.

This isn't a debate. This whole thing was over before your retarded *** claimed only steelers after the merger.. and some other silly rules you made up. I feel bad answering. Its like kicking the fat kid after he fell over.

 

[Ike Kelly]

I'll laugh at four of these picks, others are debatable. But for now:


Marvell Smith? Not better than Timmons. Lower AV value by a big margin on Pro football reference, a 3rd party data system I do not control. A decent player, though he didn't even play 10 seasons as a Steeler. Suspended for pot, correct?

Coach....PFR AV is for the position, not the player. You comparing ILB to T is like comparing RB to DE. Which begs the question...Keisel? One of the best 7th rounders ever picked.

LT only had one Pro Bowl invite...he should have had more but Ray Ray was “killing” his competition.

It’s strange Coach is pimping Tomlin’s “guy” and Coach hates Tomlin. In some ways it’s like “kissing your sister”. It’s like a twilight zone episode.


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[Black & Gold Bleeder]

he cant answer till tomorrow. His partner is home from work.

 

[Xc944]

For starters I out Nickerson merriweather and perry ahead of timdong

 

[Coach]

Just picking at least one player at the positions. Bobby walden has the best stats at punter. Mark bruener was a blocking TE. He was reliable though. Eric Green was more dynamic and a pass catcher,, but was here very short. Although two probowls.
You yourself put gary Anderson on the list. But surely we can have more than 1 at a position. Suishams numbers are better than andersons. His career was cut short by injury. Tell you what , You can take all 3 off. Timmons still doesn't make the cut.

This isn't a debate. This whole thing was over before your retarded *** claimed only steelers after the merger.. and some other silly rules you made up. I feel bad answering. Its like kicking the fat kid after he fell over.

Foolish one, his career average. 41.1 That would be BELOW AVERAGE TODAY. A pick of yours for the top 50 all time Steelers.
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Yes, I put Gary Anderson on the list, you did too. Gary Anderson is one of the NFL's very best kickers. 4 pro bowls, 1 all pro, 2nd overall in points in the history of the NFL...and he won some big games for the Steelers. He belongs. The Steelers won't even re-issue #1, and has a distant shot to make the hall of fame.

Mark Bruener was limited. Terrible pick.

I did not comment on Eric Green. He was only here for 5 seasons, never had a 1,000 season and ha drug issues, plus he got to fat. Not a top 50 all-time Steeler.

Yes--this is a message board debate, and people here can see Timmons was better than the garbage you listed...and I think you needed my list to make your own.

Keep posting new stuff, pretty please!

 

[Coach]

Coach....PFR AV is for the position, not the player. You comparing ILB to T is like comparing RB to DE. Which begs the question...Keisel? One of the best 7th rounders ever picked.

LT only had one Pro Bowl invite...he should have had more but Ray Ray was “killing” his competition.

It’s strange Coach is pimping Tomlin’s “guy” and Coach hates Tomlin. In some ways it’s like “kissing your sister”. It’s like a twilight zone episode.

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Are we talking PFR? Timmons score is better than Smith's by a good margin. Smith only had one pro bowl, and played less as a Steeler. I liked Timmons pre-draft. He was my choice, and Colbert pick him, not Tomlin. To use your words I " pimp " lots guys on the team. Me liking them has zero to do with Tomlin.

 

[Coach]

For starters I out Nickerson merriweather and perry ahead of timdong

Nickerson wasn't here very long, had less tackles when he played, and wasn't much in coverage. His AV Value, something Ike brought up is lower than Timmons by a good margin at the exact same position. Merriweather was a top blitz and cover guy. You could argue he's top 50. I say no. Only here for 6 seasons, and held out an entire year, forcing a trade.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Are we talking PFR? Timmons score is better than Smith's by a good margin. Smith only had one pro bowl, and played less as a Steeler. I liked Timmons pre-draft. He was my choice, and Colbert pick him, not Tomlin. To use your words I " pimp " lots guys on the team. Me liking them has zero to do with Tomlin.

Hahahaha! “Colbert pick (sic) him”. Coach, you are delusional. LT was Tomlin’s first pick as a NFL head coach. The customary measure to define his mark on the team. It’s well documented Tomlin recruited the LT pick. Was enamored with him at the combine and his pro day.

Guess what Nancy....LT had one Pro-Bowl as well....and get this, one less SB ring. Not that pro bowl nods even matter.

As you’ve shown you think LT is in the 50. That’s ok, it’s your list, your world. But it’s your opinion, not others. So try to stop convincing to everyone he should be. The idiosyncratic methods of determining your 50 is your own, not ours.


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