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So Bell isn't getting his 14.5 million,

Wrong choice of words because i definitely dont think the steelers are shafting him i meant the whole RB market thing. I think a player salary cap shouldnt be determined by his position.

Well, doesn't that HAVE to be a leading factor? Some positions are more important to the overall success of the team, and therefore get more of the salary cap pie. For instance, let's assume we had the best QB in the league, best shut down corner, best punter, and best kicker in the league. Do you really think it would be reasonable to expect the punter or kicker (even though they are the best in the league) to get as much as the QB? That woldn't make sense.

When's the last time the best RB in the league was on a team that won the Super Bowl? Terrell Davis? You can win with a decent RB, or even a rotating stable of them. However, (while admittedly there are outliers like Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer) the Super Bowl winners have top notch QBs and top tier defenses. So yeah, an excellent QB deserves more of the pie than an excellent RB. That's just the way it is.
 
Im comfortable paying 15-17. Id rather keep the people who develop into one of the best in the business..then try to replace them and hope the next guy developes

Who do you cut and how do you upgrade your DEFENSE as opposed to the cap.......???


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I don't pay Bell a dime over $15M/yr. That's the max and that is above fair for his position. I stay rigid next year when it's time to negotiate before Free Agency. 3yrs 45M. That's it. I'd consider a $20M signing bonus, maybe up to $25M, but that's it.

He just earned $27M for 2 years of work. With my contract, he still gets a raise, and I guarantee nearly what he made the previous 2 years.
 
Who do you cut and how do you upgrade your DEFENSE as opposed to the cap.......???


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Why am i cutting anyone who on the defense is going to be getting a big pay day at this point?
 
Well, doesn't that HAVE to be a leading factor? Some positions are more important to the overall success of the team, and therefore get more of the salary cap pie. For instance, let's assume we had the best QB in the league, best shut down corner, best punter, and best kicker in the league. Do you really think it would be reasonable to expect the punter or kicker (even though they are the best in the league) to get as much as the QB? That woldn't make sense.

When's the last time the best RB in the league was on a team that won the Super Bowl? Terrell Davis? You can win with a decent RB, or even a rotating stable of them. However, (while admittedly there are outliers like Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer) the Super Bowl winners have top notch QBs and top tier defenses. So yeah, an excellent QB deserves more of the pie than an excellent RB. That's just the way it is.


No one is saying any of that. I just think bell is one of the best players in the NFL regardless of his position
 
Why not?? For the same reasons every one wants Bell to accept less. To help the team? Ben has made 179 million in his career. So again like its asked of Bell how much does he need? He wants to win more super bowls right just like thats asked about Bell. So again why cant he take less so we can fix the defence???

Hard to take someone serious that doesn't know how to spell DEFENSE. (just ******* with you)

Its not about what others would pay. Because if Bell was on the open market who knows what he might get also. Its about helping the team from what i keep hearing. Bell is greedy cause he knows we need to fix the defence too. But that only applies to him.

Ben is number ten in salary ranking, and Bell wants to make almost twice as much as the next back. who is greedy?
 
Hard to take someone serious that doesn't know how to spell DEFENSE. (just ******* with you)



Ben is number ten in salary ranking, and Bell wants to make almost twice as much as the next back. who is greedy?

Its not about greed or what ben makes. Its about who is in position to leave money on the table yo help the team since thats whats being bitched bitched about
 
I don't pay Bell a dime over $15M/yr. That's the max and that is above fair for his position. I stay rigid next year when it's time to negotiate before Free Agency. 3yrs 45M. That's it. I'd consider a $20M signing bonus, maybe up to $25M, but that's it.

He just earned $27M for 2 years of work. With my contract, he still gets a raise, and I guarantee nearly what he made the previous 2 years.

If the right RB is there high in the draft I think the Steelers take a long and hard look before sending in their pick. I'm thinking they hold onto their card for at least 10 to 15 seconds before running it up to Goodell.
 
Its not about greed or what ben makes. Its about who is in position to leave money on the table yo help the team since thats whats being bitched bitched about

then tell Bell to play QB or even DE if he wants to earn 18M/Y, let's see how well does it go for him,
 
AGAIN, Bell is a great football player asking for to much money. PLAIN and simple.

He is not helping his cause with his social media and if he is such a team player,......sign the tag and the STEELERS will promote a trade, he would do that if he really believed in his value. He isn't stupid because he knows he would end up on a bottom feeder team. TEAM participant..... Is missing in this debacle. Argue it in any direction you want but near twice the value of next closest RB is definately raising the BAR for RBs because after all, isn't that what this price was all about........ **** NO


Like most here we are tired of the non-team attitude player. He can do this exact same thing and yet be noble about it, would help his cause immeasurably. As he is going now he is burning the proverbial bridge.


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It seems Bell is BEGGING for the Steelers to draft another RB this year. I would not be surprised if they draft an early RB... wait for Bell to sign the tag (just before week one)... and then TRADE him to the highest bidder (preferably one with a horrible OLIne).

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Wrong choice of words because i definitely dont think the steelers are shafting him i meant the whole RB market thing. I think a player salary cap shouldnt be determined by his position.

It absolutely has to. The goal is to be competitive with the rest of the league, not just pay every player whatever he thinks he’s worth and hope no one notices you’re at double the salary cap.

Look at it like this. It’s highly likely that your QB is your highest paid player. Yes he makes a lot of money, a big % of the cap. But if you’re paying your QB the same as everyone else, appropriate to his worth on the market, then you’re not disadvantaged because everyone essentially has the same amount of remaining cap to fill out the roster.

But if you’re paying another position twice what every other team is paying that position, then that is when you are disadvantaging your team. I make an analogy to slow drivers in the left lane. They get defensive and say “but I’m going the speed limit!” Well you’re not the only one on the road. Studies show that it’s not fast drivers who cause accidents. It’s drivers who deviate too much from the average speed of the rest of the drivers who cause accidents. If the Steelers deviate so much from what the rest of the league is doing at running back, sure it helps Le’Veon and future RBs, but it costs them $9m that other teams are using to bolster their defenses (which we are in DESPERATE need of, by the way).

AB gets $17m, but that’s only $500k more than the next highest paid WR. So while it’s a big cap number, it’s reasonable to the market and you are not doing more than other teams to disadvantage yourself. If we’re all disadvantaging ourselves relatively equally, what’s the harm?

So you’re putting yourself behind the 8 ball, giving 31 teams an artificial $9m head start before the race begins because you believe the transcendence of this one player makes up for it. For context $9m is basically two Morgan Burnett’s who I think we all believe will be a huge help to this defense.

So is Le’Veon Bell by himself just so transcendent that you’d have to be willing to completely forego the flexibility of upgrading two of your defensive positions to the level of a Morgan Burnett type player?

I can point to a lot of nice stats for Le’Veon that suggest he’s great. And he is. He is great. But I can also point to a lot of stats that suggest that, while he is great, he is not necessarily some transcendent player who masks all your liabilities elsewhere on the field. His yards per carry and catch are down, he doesn’t break explosive TD runs, he’s touched he ball and been hit A LOT already, and he’s unreliable in terms of suspensions and injuries forcing him out of a lot of games. So yes, when you’re talking about paying a player more than double the next guy at his position, sorry you have to mention the negatives along with the positives. The positives have to outweigh the negatives by millions of dollars. And I’m sorry but being the 20th best rushing team at 3.8 yards per carry (among the worst) is not ******* inspiring me to make me forget all that other stuff.

I mean damn 19 teams got more rushing yards than we did. They might not have a talent like Le’Veon, but they’re getting the production somehow, and not with $17m tied into one guy. We are not some dominant rushing team and it’s possible to have a great running game without Le’Veon Bell and without destroying your flexibility everywhere else.

We can’t just wish the salary cap away no matter how hard we try. We can’t pretend we’re a dominant running team and that we’d be lost without Le’Veon (although he is a great individual talent). We can’t make assessments that force us into territory no other team will get even close to unless we are sure of the return and in the case of this player, he is FAR from a sure thing.

Sorry just not buying it. The numbers do not add up.


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Hero? Seriously he thinks this BS is Hero stuff? This guy has the torpedo locked and loaded in the tube to sink the 18 season. Just wait and see.

He can go be a hearo behind some Oline that sucks and can't block for his "special" style of running......
 
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You would think somebody would sit him down and explain to him that Championships define careers and the team is trying to free up money to get some key players to do that. As it stands I pull the tag and tell him he can gobble the highest paid player on a second tier team next year.

I think Antonio Brown should be in that meeting as well. I mean hell, if its all about championships, we haven't won **** with him either...

Me'Von is become a major distraction. Frankly I don't think he's worth 14.5 million a year. What does the 2nd and 3rd highest paid running backs make?

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Jarvis Landry! He was a franchise tagged, signed the tag, then was and traded.

I still don't understand why Bell can't sign the tag now. He's not making a dime more with the Steelers in 2018, but once he signs the tag, the Steelers can seek a trade where he might find a team willing to pay him more.

The dolphins were OPENLY TRYING to trade Landry. Landry didn't want to be in Miami anymore. Landry wasn't worth the franchise tag so he ran to it and signed it asap. Huge difference. Bell wants to be in Pittsburgh, KC has stated over and over that they want Bell to retire a Steeler. Apples to oranges.

I suppose the question isn't what running backs are worth, the question should be: Is Bell the best skill position player in the league?

That answer is no.

It would be yes if he could convert a 4th and 1 vs the JAX defense.

Yes, because ANY back could convert a 4th and 1 on a freaking sweep against a fast moving defense. That wasn't Bell, he was hit behind the line. You run right at that defense, that was the playcall...

LOL if Bell thinks he's as important as AB.
For him to ask for 17 per, he needs to be leading the league among rbs in everything. He didn't lead the league in rushing, not rushing TDs, his ypc was pedestrian, his long run was 27 yards (Bettis's shortest long run of a season was 29). He had 85 catches which lead the league, but he was 4th in receiving yards, Duke Johnson from the Browns who has no QB or wrs had more receiving yards than Bell, his ypc was well below everyone else.

The only thing Bell was elite at this past season was piling up the touches which isn't great fro a RB.

And just because he lines up out of the backfield doesn't make him a wr. He could never line up against CBs and make catches

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Bell gets matched up with CB's quite often, do you even watch games? He runs routes as good as any WR not named Brown. And how is Bell not as important as Brown, they call them the killer B's for a reason. When the offense was stagnant still into the middle of the season, they decided to ride Bell, and he produced, and he produced well.

The Browns were also down a lot, and forced to throw the ball a lot, and stats like that can be misleading. You don't go 0-16 for no reason at all...

Tim Benz is a tool, a mark Madden wanna be.

Bell has never lead the league in yards from scrimmage either.

Everyone agrees he should be the highest paid RB, but not at the ridiculous amount he's asking for

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No, Bell has only set the mark for any player IN HISTORY by averaging 128 scrimmage yards per game in his first five years. We held Bell out of the final game of the year, you don't think that contributed to where he ended up at the end of the year? In fact, Bell has been held out of the final game of the year the past two years. He finished 5th in the league in rushing yards in 2016, 2nd in receptions for a RB, all while playing in only 12 games.

AB has 764 career offensive touches with 59 TDs and averages nearly 13 yards every time he touches the ball.

Bell has 1541 career touches with 42 TDs and averages 6 yards every time he touches the ball.

That's why AB is more valuable.

Bell wants paid as a WR, he has 7 career receiving TDs, Gurley had 6 this past season.

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You can't compare RB yards per touch to a WR yards per touch. How many times has AB been hit behind the LOS AFTER catching the ball? ******* dumb comparison...


And you know who one of Bells biggest supporters through all of this is? AB, in fact when it was reported that he wanted 17m a year to match Brown, Brown tweeted out "keep going". Brown understands what Bell does for this team, for this offense. And us fans love to reap the benefits of it, as long as it's within the narrative that we have set in place. Everyone screaming about Brown not making double what the next WR makes or the same with Ben needs to understand something. The players that are even close to being in Bells class, are still in their rookie contracts. They are about to get PAID themselves. Quit trying to compare Bell to Freeman, because Freeman can't hold Bells jock. That would be like trying to compare Brown and Baldwin.

And just an FYI, in 2016 the second highest paid RB played all 16 games and still finished with 500 scrimmage yards LESS than Bell who played in just 12.

Gurley, Elliott, and Johnson (as long as he can recover from the ACL) will all get WELL above what Freeman is making.
 
Younger stud RB will certainly make more than freeman, but i guarantee its not going to be close to 15 million. That's like saying the next stud QB is going to make like 50 mil per year. That is not happening..... most of bells good stats are mainly based on pure amount of touches. If the Steelers offer him anywhere near what he wants it is simply a terrible business decision.
 
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It seems Bell is BEGGING for the Steelers to draft another RB this year. I would not be surprised if they draft an early RB... wait for Bell to sign the tag (just before week one)... and then TRADE him to the highest bidder (preferably one with a horrible OLIne).

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99% sure a guy who signs a franchise tag can't be traded without his permission.

And even if he can as long as he waits until after the July deadline, he can't sign a new deal with his new team.
 
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The biggest problem I see here is in not letting Bell explore other options. They should have tagged him non-exclusive and let him test the waters. He could sign with another team and we would get 2 first rounders. If he didn't, we could match any contract offered. At least then he would know his worth.
 
The biggest problem I see here is in not letting Bell explore other options. They should have tagged him non-exclusive and let him test the waters. He could sign with another team and we would get 2 first rounders. If he didn't, we could match any contract offered. At least then he would know his worth.

Agreed That was a bad move on the team's part. I'd take those two 1st's and run at this point because even when he signs the tag and reports (after the pre season is over again) he'll be disgruntled the entire season and give us more locker room theatrics just like this team was loaded with last year.
 
Would have loved to keep Bell and make him the top compensated RB but his demand for $17M a year is just a leap too far. He's just not worth that much and his history makes signing him for that much a huge risk. I'm completely ok with a sign and trade at this point. Start making the calls and see if the Steelers can get a second rounder for him.
 
I think Antonio Brown should be in that meeting as well. I mean hell, if its all about championships, we haven't won **** with him either...



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The dolphins were OPENLY TRYING to trade Landry. Landry didn't want to be in Miami anymore. Landry wasn't worth the franchise tag so he ran to it and signed it asap. Huge difference. Bell wants to be in Pittsburgh, KC has stated over and over that they want Bell to retire a Steeler. Apples to oranges.



Yes, because ANY back could convert a 4th and 1 on a freaking sweep against a fast moving defense. That wasn't Bell, he was hit behind the line. You run right at that defense, that was the playcall...



Bell gets matched up with CB's quite often, do you even watch games? He runs routes as good as any WR not named Brown. And how is Bell not as important as Brown, they call them the killer B's for a reason. When the offense was stagnant still into the middle of the season, they decided to ride Bell, and he produced, and he produced well.

The Browns were also down a lot, and forced to throw the ball a lot, and stats like that can be misleading. You don't go 0-16 for no reason at all...



No, Bell has only set the mark for any player IN HISTORY by averaging 128 scrimmage yards per game in his first five years. We held Bell out of the final game of the year, you don't think that contributed to where he ended up at the end of the year? In fact, Bell has been held out of the final game of the year the past two years. He finished 5th in the league in rushing yards in 2016, 2nd in receptions for a RB, all while playing in only 12 games.



You can't compare RB yards per touch to a WR yards per touch. How many times has AB been hit behind the LOS AFTER catching the ball? ******* dumb comparison...



And you know who one of Bells biggest supporters through all of this is? AB, in fact when it was reported that he wanted 17m a year to match Brown, Brown tweeted out "keep going". Brown understands what Bell does for this team, for this offense. And us fans love to reap the benefits of it, as long as it's within the narrative that we have set in place. Everyone screaming about Brown not making double what the next WR makes or the same with Ben needs to understand something. The players that are even close to being in Bells class, are still in their rookie contracts. They are about to get PAID themselves. Quit trying to compare Bell to Freeman, because Freeman can't hold Bells jock. That would be like trying to compare Brown and Baldwin.

And just an FYI, in 2016 the second highest paid RB played all 16 games and still finished with 500 scrimmage yards LESS than Bell who played in just 12.

Gurley, Elliott, and Johnson (as long as he can recover from the ACL) will all get WELL above what Freeman is making.
LMAO, Bell can run routes like any WR besides AB? Do you even watch the games? Bell is a very good route runner for a RB, but he isn't comparable to teams #1 WR in terms of route running.
Bell isn't lined up vs CB very often, it's usually a coverage LB like in the playoff game, that's why the term mis-match is used so much when he splits out.

Yeah it is a ******* dumb comparison when to compare wr per touch yards and TDs to a RB's, but Bell keeps comparing himself to wr's. That is exactly why WRs are paid more, they make more plays per touch, is that really that hard to comprehend?

I mean if Bell regularly beats CBs like you say and is a better route runner than everyone besides AB like you say, then why doesn't he just become a WR?

Also, just because most here do not want to give him 17 million, that doesn't mean we think he sucks or shouldnt be the highest paid RB.

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Bell is a great RB for this modern era of football but I wouldn't pay him $15-17 M on a long term contract. History says that's a bad bet.

First, he will be 27 after this season and with quite a number of carries in his years thus far. He's had some injury issues but nothing major that should prevent a normal career. But there's the issue - he is already halfway through the normal RB career span. Why are we to think he will defy history and be as good or better at age 29 when most RB are used up and out of the league by that age?

Add in his off-field choices and he is one bad decision away from another lengthy suspension that leaves the team scrambling for a last minute replacement.

History says that Bell's best years are already behind him. Why pay him 2-3x the next highest paid RB for 3-4 years going forward? Could it pan out for us and Bell? Sure. But the odds are not favorable.
 
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