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Steelers have traded for Jalen Ramsey.

Phoenix1172 said:
What are the chances Ramsey pulls a Rod Woodson and finishes out his career at safety? I've read some think he could be an all pro at the position.
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I will say that fans should be cautious in assuming that every aging great CB can make the transition to S. If it was relatively easy, we would see it a lot more than we do

However, in the case of Ramsey, it seems quite likely, not just due to his skill set, but because of his background at the position.

He played a lot of safety at Florida State, just like Woodson did at Purdue.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Ramsey is a better and more versatile player than Minkah. The defense is better with Ramsey instead of Minkah. Why is that hard to grasp?

As for the cap impact, who cares? Steelers are in great shape with the cap.

Why should the steelers wet their pants about their #3 safety? Go look at depth charts and the #3 safety on each team and then tell me which team is all set with a great #3 safety just ready to go.

Ramsey can and likely will be a hybrid player with the steelers. I don't care about the position label. It's about getting your 5 best DBs on the field in nickel. The 5 best DBs are Porter, Ramsey, Slay, Eliot, Thornhill.

The steelers improved their team and they did not give away any of their high picks for next year when they clearly seem to be targeting their QB.
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One thing this board is consistent at, is members no matter how good or bad they are, have a tendency to read things that were never said...

First, I never said that Ramsey wasn't good, or that I wasn't glad that we were able to get Ramsey. The issue is weakening one position to strengthen a position that we had already addressed in FA. We also aren't talking about a number 3 safety, we are potentially talking about a starting free safety. Again, Thornhill WAS a solid player for the Chiefs, but he went to Cleveland and for two years in a row suffered from the same injury and forced him to miss 12 games.

Ramsey being a "hybrid" player doesn't fix the hole at FS, because as a hybrid player, you want him to be around the ball and the play as much as possible, and that is not 20 yards off the LOS playing the last line of defense.

Why is that so hard to grasp for you people, you all put words in my mouth, read into things that aren't there...

As for the cap impact, it was relevant to my original argument that the Steelers did not trade one highly paid player for another highly paid player to sit back as the last line of defense.

Why is THAT so hard to grasp? I'm not speaking french here...I just want to know what they plan on doing at FS, because the 4 safeties on the roster, 3 of them being STRONG SAFETIES, don't exactly instill a ton of confidence in being a consistent and reliable last line of defense
 
insaniti said:
One thing this board is consistent at, is members no matter how good or bad they are, have a tendency to read things that were never said...

First, I never said that Ramsey wasn't good, or that I wasn't glad that we were able to get Ramsey. The issue is weakening one position to strengthen a position that we had already addressed in FA. We also aren't talking about a number 3 safety, we are potentially talking about a starting free safety. Again, Thornhill WAS a solid player for the Chiefs, but he went to Cleveland and for two years in a row suffered from the same injury and forced him to miss 12 games.

Ramsey being a "hybrid" player doesn't fix the hole at FS, because as a hybrid player, you want him to be around the ball and the play as much as possible, and that is not 20 yards off the LOS playing the last line of defense.

Why is that so hard to grasp for you people, you all put words in my mouth, read into things that aren't there...

As for the cap impact, it was relevant to my original argument that the Steelers did not trade one highly paid player for another highly paid player to sit back as the last line of defense.

Why is THAT so hard to grasp? I'm not speaking french here...I just want to know what they plan on doing at FS, because the 4 safeties on the roster, 3 of them being STRONG SAFETIES, don't exactly instill a ton of confidence in being a consistent and reliable last line of defense
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Probably they will sign at least 1 FS before TC.
Hopefully a T too. Lots of cap room.
 
insaniti said:
One thing this board is consistent at, is members no matter how good or bad they are, have a tendency to read things that were never said...

First, I never said that Ramsey wasn't good, or that I wasn't glad that we were able to get Ramsey. The issue is weakening one position to strengthen a position that we had already addressed in FA. We also aren't talking about a number 3 safety, we are potentially talking about a starting free safety. Again, Thornhill WAS a solid player for the Chiefs, but he went to Cleveland and for two years in a row suffered from the same injury and forced him to miss 12 games.

Ramsey being a "hybrid" player doesn't fix the hole at FS, because as a hybrid player, you want him to be around the ball and the play as much as possible, and that is not 20 yards off the LOS playing the last line of defense.

Why is that so hard to grasp for you people, you all put words in my mouth, read into things that aren't there...

As for the cap impact, it was relevant to my original argument that the Steelers did not trade one highly paid player for another highly paid player to sit back as the last line of defense.

Why is THAT so hard to grasp? I'm not speaking french here...I just want to know what they plan on doing at FS, because the 4 safeties on the roster, 3 of them being STRONG SAFETIES, don't exactly instill a ton of confidence in being a consistent and reliable last line of defense
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Furthermore of those 4 safeties one is basically STs only (an ace there but not someone you want to see on defensive snaps) and the other an undrafted rookie.

The only FS being injury prone as of late is definitely a major concern as a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Ramsey was brought in to play CB this year not S, if he ends up playing a lot of S it means they dropped the ball addressing the hole on the roster which is now FS (and still swing tackle).

They are Extremely thin at a few spots that can easily derail a team. Generally that FS keeps the secondary communication together so the SS can thump. I’m actually surprised they haven’t had any of the free agent FS in yet. I would have had visits lined up with 2-3 of em before putting pen to paper on that deal.

But I believe in being proactive rather than just creating holes on a roster and hoping something works out or that the injury situation works out perfectly. Contingency plans are nice to have.

Simmons or Blackmon would both provide starter potential (likely beating Thornhill for the job) and neither would be that expensive at this stage of free agency. What the hell is the hold up?
 
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Fiji Mariner said:
Furthermore of those 4 safeties one is basically STs only (an ace there but not someone you want to see on defensive snaps) and the other an undrafted rookie.

The only FS being injury prone as of late is definitely a major concern as a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Ramsey was brought in to play CB this year not S, if he ends up playing a lot of S it means they dropped the ball addressing the hole on the roster which is now FS (and still swing tackle).

They are Extremely thin at a few spots that can easily derail a team. Generally that FS keeps the secondary communication together so the SS can thump. I’m actually surprised they haven’t had any of the free agent FS in yet. I would have had visits lined up with 2-3 of em before putting pen to paper on that deal.

But I believe in being proactive rather than just creating holes on a roster and hoping something works out or that the injury situation works out perfectly. Contingency plans are nice to have.

Simmons or Blackmon would both provide starter potential (likely beating Thornhill for the job) and neither would be that expensive at this stage of free agency. What the hell is the hold up?
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This is the same team that used Van Jefferson as a WR2 last year and then traded for Mike Williams only to never use him. It's also a team that waits until late summer after prices skyrocket to re-sign veteran players rather than get ahead of the game.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
This is the same team that used Van Jefferson as a WR2 last year and then traded for Mike Williams only to never use him. It's also a team that waits until late summer after prices skyrocket to re-sign veteran players rather than get ahead of the game.
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Not to mention williams comes in makes a big play only to barely see the field again.
 
insaniti said:
Since you have trouble reading.

The bold statement was you need a back up plan for Thornhill. The posts that I were replying to about moving Ramsey to FS was NOT about him filling in, but moving him PERMANENTLY. Which my response was, you don't make that player of player trade if that was the intent. Minkah has played very well the last few years, doing what the coaches have asked him to do. The splash plays haven't been there, but it's still been solid play. And when you take your play making safety, that has been roaming more in the box and at worst 10 yards off the LOS, and move him to be the last line of defense because you're playing scared now, the splash plays will drop off. And putting a different all-pro player back in the same exactly position isn't going to change the results...So again, they didn't make the trade to move him.
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No trouble with reading, but I'm just reading more bullshlt. You weren't replying to anyone. It was an independent post where you were "still processing this trade." Then you later went on to characterize any claims that the Steelers could move Ramsey to safety as "laughable." You do understand the difference between could and will, don't you?
insaniti said:
As for the money, you are wrong. The Dolphins paid him $7m this year, the Steelers added $1.5m bringing his guaranteed money this year to $26.6m, his cap hit for this year is actually $16.6m, add in the Minkah dead cap of $6.8m and this move costs us $23.4m in cap space this year. So pretty much exactly what it would have cost to keep Minkah.
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Nah, boy. What you said was that the Steelers are about to pay Jalen Ramsey $26 million this year. Given that we can agree (!) Miami has already paid $7 million of his salary, it's just an incorrect statement, no matter how you continue to spin it.

And Ramsey's cap hit for 2025 is evidently still in flux, depending on how the Steelers decide to structure the rest of his contract. Most likely, the highest the number will be is 16.661. Spotrac is currently estimating it on the low end at 5.316. Others are guessing around 8. We'll see.
insaniti said:
AND, you still need a viable back up for Thornhill, because Ramsey filling in at FS on a new defense shouldn't be your plan A, it should be plan B or C at best. Right now there are 4 safeties, 3 are SS.
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Never said it was plan A, chief. Said that they would consider it if Thornhill gets hurt again. Pretty simple, really. Most children should be able to understand the concept.
 
I keep mulling over what they will do with Ramsey, his salary, etc.
I am thinking depending on what formation he will either be in the slot or FS. I am leaning 60 70 percent of the time in the slot. Barring good positional health. I think Thornhill will be given every opportunity to be the FS . But his reps might be dependent on if the slot CB is on the field…
 
Finally, what will we do with Ramsey ?

How much did it cost us ?

When did this trade actually happen………………….?





Salute the nation
 
With so many new players on both sides of the ball, I worry about continuity early in the season.
 
insaniti said:
One thing this board is consistent at, is members no matter how good or bad they are, have a tendency to read things that were never said...

First, I never said that Ramsey wasn't good, or that I wasn't glad that we were able to get Ramsey. The issue is weakening one position to strengthen a position that we had already addressed in FA. We also aren't talking about a number 3 safety, we are potentially talking about a starting free safety. Again, Thornhill WAS a solid player for the Chiefs, but he went to Cleveland and for two years in a row suffered from the same injury and forced him to miss 12 games.

Ramsey being a "hybrid" player doesn't fix the hole at FS, because as a hybrid player, you want him to be around the ball and the play as much as possible, and that is not 20 yards off the LOS playing the last line of defense.

Why is that so hard to grasp for you people, you all put words in my mouth, read into things that aren't there...

As for the cap impact, it was relevant to my original argument that the Steelers did not trade one highly paid player for another highly paid player to sit back as the last line of defense.

Why is THAT so hard to grasp? I'm not speaking french here...I just want to know what they plan on doing at FS, because the 4 safeties on the roster, 3 of them being STRONG SAFETIES, don't exactly instill a ton of confidence in being a consistent and reliable last line of defense
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I agree we weakened the back end but we already had serious issues on the front end stopping the dink and dunk which neutralized Minkah. By bringing in JR we may have bolstered the front of the secondary to help stop the dink and dunk. Our pass rush will be more effective if they try to go long and help compensate for the loss of Minkah. It is an easier position to fill. We will have to wait and see if it actually works.
 
topseed said:
No trouble with reading, but I'm just reading more bullshlt. You weren't replying to anyone. It was an independent post where you were "still processing this trade." Then you later went on to characterize any claims that the Steelers could move Ramsey to safety as "laughable." You do understand the difference between could and will, don't you?

Nah, boy. What you said was that the Steelers are about to pay Jalen Ramsey $26 million this year. Given that we can agree (!) Miami has already paid $7 million of his salary, it's just an incorrect statement, no matter how you continue to spin it.

And Ramsey's cap hit for 2025 is evidently still in flux, depending on how the Steelers decide to structure the rest of his contract. Most likely, the highest the number will be is 16.661. Spotrac is currently estimating it on the low end at 5.316. Others are guessing around 8. We'll see.

Never said it was plan A, chief. Said that they would consider it if Thornhill gets hurt again. Pretty simple, really. Most children should be able to understand the concept.
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You're referencing two different posts. I didn't hit "quote", but I was replying to ALL the people saying we would just move Ramsey to FS. And they weren't talking about in the event of an injury

In post that you just quoted, I admitted to correcting myself IN ANOTHER POST about his salary, but on "over the cap", his cap hit is $16m, and with the minkah dead money, the cap cost is a wash.

You keep putting words into the argument that were never there "chief". You've always been the top seeded prick on the board, good to see you keeping on with tradition
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I agree we weakened the back end but we already had serious issues on the front end stopping the dink and dunk which neutralized Minkah. By bringing in JR we may have bolstered the front of the secondary to help stop the dink and dunk. Our pass rush will be more effective if they try to go long and help compensate for the loss of Minkah. It is an easier position to fill. We will have to wait and see if it actually works.
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The players are there to help the dink and dunk, but the coaches are also still here to live in their fears, which was why minkah was so far back and why the dink and dunk is always there.
 
Claypool claims he is stronger and faster than ever now maybe be can play safety
 
Fiji Mariner said:
So you’re sayin’ there’s a chance 😂

And he’d be highly motivated too

And…bring back Martavis speaking of highly motivated!
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I’m sorry to be the one who has to tell you, but we have lost Martavis on a near permanent basis.

He has disappeared deep in the Amazon forest, in search of the ultimate poison frog fix.

He purchased some other brand Peyote and it sent chemical imbalance with in him……………..

His girlfriend at the time introduced him to the poison frog experience and hasn’t been seen since other than the one time by
Stryker (about 3 yrs. Ago).

Stryker hasn’t been seen (physically) since about that time as well, but has been verbally heard from.

There is a point to all this and that is BUY from trusted Peyote Outlaw Pirate (Arrrrrrr) and don’t bicker on the price which includes FREE air drop(s), with prizes for preferred customers.




Salute the nation
 
There is still time to bring in a veteran free agent at safety. Like I said in a previous post, I like Thornhill when he is healthy but I don’t trust that calf injury. Those seem to just linger. If they brought in either Simmons or Julian Blackmon as rentals and shore up the depth there.
 
insaniti said:
The players are there to help the dink and dunk, but the coaches are also still here to live in their fears, which was why minkah was so far back and why the dink and dunk is always there.
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Yep. Our entire D philosphy and scheme need reworked. Third and one our ILBers drop 10 yards from the LOS at the snap of the ball. We consistantly just give teams first downs. As someone stated on here.....if a drive lastS 12 plays....Tomlin and who ever our DC is simply think that we now have 12 plays for a TO.

Then a few on here blame our offense for our defense being gassed at the end of games. Perhaps if we as a D create more 3 and out's they might help? Then of course, that would go directly against Tomlin's belief of limiting the opposing offense's number of drives per game. Which directly goes to keeping the score low.
 
Shane Falco said:
There is still time to bring in a veteran free agent at safety. Like I said in a previous post, I like Thornhill when he is healthy but I don’t trust that calf injury. Those seem to just linger. If they brought in either Simmons or Julian Blackmon as rentals and shore up the depth there.
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I would prefer Blackmon myself, because of his age. So that means, they'll be interested in Simmons, also because of his age lol
 
gk1951 said:
With so many new players on both sides of the ball, I worry about continuity early in the season.
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Early and late season could be problems. How many of these guys will stay healthy all year and not suffer a drop off in play? That’s a lot of key players on the back 9 of their career, a couple are on the green at 18.

Aaron Rodgers: 41 (42 in Dec)
Cam Heyward: 36
Darius Slay: 34 (35 in Jan)
Robert Woods: 33
Isaac Seumalo: 31 (32 in Oct)
TJ Watt: 30 (31 in Oct)
Jalen Ramsey: 30 (31 in Oct)
Juan Thornhill: 29 (30 in Oct, missed 14 total games due to injury last two years)
 
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