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Steelers Reportedly Targeting 3 Free Agent QBs
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Who the **** thinks Teddy hamburger helper gloves Bridgewater could do anything real on this team. At least Rudolph has some level of the unknown.
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I totally disagree with that. Generally speaking, unless the team you root for happens to have a franchise QB in his prime, fans typically love the backup quarterback. In fact, there were even some "homers" here calling for Rudolph to replace Ben during last season.
The problem is, neither Rudolph nor Haskins is NFL starting material. And the only love for the latter has wafted in via Bermuda, as far as I can see.
We bring in Trubisky. We go with Trubisky, Rudolph and Haskins and kick Dobbs to the curb? Or do we bring in Trubisky, and draft a qb, leaving us with Trubisky, Rudolph and rookie/Haskins fight for number 3 spot, kicking one of them to the curb with Dobbs?
This team is a mess at the qb position right now. No plan to get that position younger, more capable, and this team under Tomlin hasn't proved they can " develop " a qb.
This team is a mess at the qb position right now. No plan to get that position younger, more capable, and this team under Tomlin hasn't proved they can " develop " a qb.
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I don't hate the guy. I am just very realistic about who he is and what he brings to the table. He is a low tier QB#2. Duck Hodges beat him out and he isn't even in the league anymore. I would love for Mason to be "the guy" but we have seen enough of his playing to realize he is not "the guy". I feel ok about him continuing to be the #2 guy but to expect any more from him is just unrealistic. A starter in this league never even would have been in conversation at any point in time deciding if Mason or Duck should play. Any bonafide starter in this league that conversation never happens let alone go with the other guy.
Can we put one thing to rest here. Duck did not beat out Rudolph. If he did Duck would be here and Rudolph would be a CFLer. In the immediate aftermath of Ben's injury Rudolph was playing very uneven. I think he was improving and then he got knocked the **** out. The team was searching for some answers and they won some games in spite of Hodges not because of him. Then when Rudolph got back in there the whole Myles Garrett **** happened. They went to camp the next year and Hodges was released.
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No, we've just watched him play and have scene his ceiling. Rudolph has a lot of snaps at No. 1 between training camp, the preseason, and practices during the season. Ben sits out a lot and we just haven't seen much development from Rudolph.
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My God, some folks need to get off the ledge. Ben retired, 18 year franchise starter. They knew it was coming and extended Rudolph one more year last year. Then picked up Haskins for nothing while Dobbs (who won’t be retained) was no more than a #3/scout team before being IR’d. No team can do anything right now. No agent will allow any movement until the league’s FA period has started. Once March 16 hits, then movement will happen en masse. Maybe on the FA market another QB will be signed (possibly) but like everything, there is a process.
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That kid is not nearly as bad as he is made out to be. These clowns think that another HOF QB is just going to drop in their laps next year.
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I'm one of those who believe Rudolph is no more than a spot starter and full-time clipboard holder at best.
In the games I've seen him play, and I've missed few games over the years, he looks good/decent in the first drive. Sometimes that extends to the first 2-3 drives. Then, its as if he hits a mental block. He locks on to receivers. He panics. He panics a lot. I mean, dude is large. Not Ben large, but Rudolph isnt a small stature guy like Duck is. I don't hate on the guy, but he's limited. Sure, he may throw some damn good passes in practice, and look the part at that time... but when **** gets real, he's a different guy altogether.
If Tomlin doesnt want his "no losing record" busted, we'll move on from Rudolph. He's the same guy who allowed us to tie the Lions, and they're picking 2nd in this draft. In then game vs the Lions, Mason threw 50 times. for 242 yards. Completed 30. Eye-popping 8 yards per completion. The following week, against the Chargers, Ben throws for 273 yards on 28 completions in 44 attempts. 9.75 yards per completion.
Largely the same teammates, Ben led us to the playoffs. Somehow. If Mason were our #1QB the rest of the way, we'd be looking at one of the top 5 draft picks, IMO.
Worlds of difference between old, broken down Ben and almost-prime Mason. Rudolph even had his college security blanket to throw to, and that didn't help his progression since being drafted. And that should have helped both Mason and Washington. Odd how it didn't.
IMO, we should go for Trubisky. A modest 3-4 year deal. Not a bank-breaking one, but one that would make no doubt that he's our #1QB in 2022. As such, I'd also not hesitate to draft Matt Corral if he were to fall to us. Yes, Corral has some ugly parts to his game. Those can be cleaned up. I'm not sure if Tomlin can do that, but maybe Sullivan can. And I'd only draft Corral if Penning was off the board. IMO, Corral is the only QB in the draft worthy of a 1st round grade, and that's pushing the definition.
In the games I've seen him play, and I've missed few games over the years, he looks good/decent in the first drive. Sometimes that extends to the first 2-3 drives. Then, its as if he hits a mental block. He locks on to receivers. He panics. He panics a lot. I mean, dude is large. Not Ben large, but Rudolph isnt a small stature guy like Duck is. I don't hate on the guy, but he's limited. Sure, he may throw some damn good passes in practice, and look the part at that time... but when **** gets real, he's a different guy altogether.
If Tomlin doesnt want his "no losing record" busted, we'll move on from Rudolph. He's the same guy who allowed us to tie the Lions, and they're picking 2nd in this draft. In then game vs the Lions, Mason threw 50 times. for 242 yards. Completed 30. Eye-popping 8 yards per completion. The following week, against the Chargers, Ben throws for 273 yards on 28 completions in 44 attempts. 9.75 yards per completion.
Largely the same teammates, Ben led us to the playoffs. Somehow. If Mason were our #1QB the rest of the way, we'd be looking at one of the top 5 draft picks, IMO.
Worlds of difference between old, broken down Ben and almost-prime Mason. Rudolph even had his college security blanket to throw to, and that didn't help his progression since being drafted. And that should have helped both Mason and Washington. Odd how it didn't.
IMO, we should go for Trubisky. A modest 3-4 year deal. Not a bank-breaking one, but one that would make no doubt that he's our #1QB in 2022. As such, I'd also not hesitate to draft Matt Corral if he were to fall to us. Yes, Corral has some ugly parts to his game. Those can be cleaned up. I'm not sure if Tomlin can do that, but maybe Sullivan can. And I'd only draft Corral if Penning was off the board. IMO, Corral is the only QB in the draft worthy of a 1st round grade, and that's pushing the definition.
This 100 percent.
Rudolph has never won a game when the Steelers gave up at least 14 points, very Mike Kruczek like. All his wins occured when the Steelers gave up 13 points or less. Not a recipe for success in today's NFL.
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He's also not a full-time starter in the NFL.
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that is still yet to be determined.
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What have you seen from Rudolph that shows he can be a guy that is the answer for the Steelers at QB? I’ve seen enough to know he is a solid backup and spot starter but not a guy who will lead a team to the playoffs without a lot of help.
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What real chance has he had to show he can be a guy that is the answer for the Steelers at QB? He's had a total of ten starts and 17 games he's appeared in.
Frankly, I thought he looked great in his last start.
I don't think Ive seen anything that would say that. But I would say that none of these guys that are gonna be available as FA's you could say are any better. Jimmy G. Would be marginally better and I don't want to mortgage the next three drafts for Wilson or Rogers. So I can live with a down year to get the house in order and hey you just never know.
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First, any of these options is far better than wasting any draft capital on a guy like Garoppolo. Also, any of these options comes at a much better price than Garoppolo. I don't even discuss the likes of Watson, Rodgers or Wilson because the cost will be way too high in all cases (and completely unrealistic in any case).
Of the specific three, my thoughts:
Trub: Pedigree, sufficient athleticism, been to the playoffs, upside, ready to go now, reasonable cost. A pretty strong bridge QB with upside to actually develop into what was originally expected.
Winston: Pedigree, not so mobile, good arm strength. Looked pretty darn good last year and seemed to have his turnover issue somewhat fixed (temporary or ???). Likely to be a reasonable cost and has upside. Downside, not potentially immediately available due to injury. A strong bridge QB with upside, but that is tempered by what his availability might be.
Bridgewater: What in the living hell? NO. If Colbert leaves us with Bridgewater its because he is trolling us. There are better options out there from both a performance and upside standpoint. Teddy had a ton of potential but he has never returned there post-injury (unfortunate) and it has now been long enough to make any dramatic turnarounds unlikely. If we are going to bring in a bridge it needs to be someone with potential upside or we may as well roll with Mason.
Of the specific three, my thoughts:
Trub: Pedigree, sufficient athleticism, been to the playoffs, upside, ready to go now, reasonable cost. A pretty strong bridge QB with upside to actually develop into what was originally expected.
Winston: Pedigree, not so mobile, good arm strength. Looked pretty darn good last year and seemed to have his turnover issue somewhat fixed (temporary or ???). Likely to be a reasonable cost and has upside. Downside, not potentially immediately available due to injury. A strong bridge QB with upside, but that is tempered by what his availability might be.
Bridgewater: What in the living hell? NO. If Colbert leaves us with Bridgewater its because he is trolling us. There are better options out there from both a performance and upside standpoint. Teddy had a ton of potential but he has never returned there post-injury (unfortunate) and it has now been long enough to make any dramatic turnarounds unlikely. If we are going to bring in a bridge it needs to be someone with potential upside or we may as well roll with Mason.
I prefer them to go QB in 2 if they are going to go that route. 20 is a good value pick I would hope they would pick a good value player. I feel if you are picking from a list of not named Pickett the value isn't there that high in the draft. Trib is fine by me but if they go that route no need to force a QB selection. See who is there in 2 if the value is there.
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THIS
We can't afford draft capital. We are in a rock and a hard spot as to what direction to go. We bring in a high-end temporary QB (because none are long term) the we still have to fix the holes or those QBs won't be able to do ****.
OR
We fix the holes while maintaining on minimal QB play. We bide our time and possible have better postioning for high end "draft" QB who will take over a near ready solid team.
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Everything I've heard is that next year's QB class will be much better than this years. How many quarterbacks did the Browns ruin throwing them being garbage lines and not able to develop any skills other than running for their lives. Live with RedNose this year and fix the line. Next year, grab one of the better quarterbacks coming out - even if you have to move up. I've always felt that with few exceptions, taking a quarterback out of the first ten picks is a waste. We got damned lucky getting Ben at 11.
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What part of the Lions game did he look great? I mean I think that is about average of what we'll see from Rudolph on a weekly basis and it wasn't very good.