Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3
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So is it better drafting a guy who has a 12% chance of starting or a guy who will touch the ball in the return game and in the running and receiving game. I would say there's a 95%+ chance Archer has more yards from scrimmage his first three years than Bryant. Oh, but if he gets 500 receiving, 500 rushing, and 1000+ returning but doesn't start he's a wasted pick.
And all this BS about him not being able to return a punt is just moronic. I mean like window licking retarded! In 2013 Kent State had 17.... yes 17 punt returns as a team. In 2012 they had 9. Facts are Kent State didn't return punts I don't know why but they just didn't. The facts are the Steelers along with several other NFL teams took Archer out on a cold, blustery, and windy day after his pro day and had him field punts to make sure he could. By all accounts he did an awesome job.
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lmfao awesome! Great point.
His college coach said he can return punts and was all set to do so until his ankle injury his senior year.
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Well if his coach says so!!
LOL @ the concept of Archer outgaining Bryant from scrimmage. 1,000 total yards AND returns? Again, LOL.
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You're roughly the 28th person to post this.
About as entertaining as your "Because Steelers" posts.
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Quarters are valuable as well. Tell me this, if this guy becomes the next Devon Hester, was he a poor choice? Hester has always sucked as a wr, but he does what he does, and he does it very well. If that's all he does, I'd say he's WELL worth a 3rd round pick. If he isn't able to do that, well, he was a 3rd round pick. I for one am sick to death of taking these ******* middle of the road, mediocre, safe ******* picks that never amount to ****. If the kid runs like the wind, maybe we can make something out of it. I'll wait and see, but in my mind it's hard to NOT be excited about a guy with his skillset, hopefully he can cure the fumbleitus and take the pounding of the nfl though.
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No matter how you say it, "this bucket can't hold the water". The kid is an automatic bust apparently...
What would you rather Coach Tomlin say? "We're pulling up the stakes on the season - see you at the draft."??? Unbelievable...
Someone needs a pacifier...
Careful, NC, can't have too many shepherds directing the herd...
It still makes me sick that Nix was drafted in our spot that we traded to Cleveland. imagine if we had drafted Shazier, Tuitt, and Nix. holy crap. I like Shamarko, but we didn't need to trade that pick to Cleveland for him. I think we would have gotten him at our normal pick.
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What if he is the next Rainey? The problem is that you can't compare Hester to Archer. No matter what metric you use Archer always come out at the bottom unless it is pure speed. Injuries, fumbles, size, height, history, college competition etc... so taking Archer isn't like taking Hester. He maybe the next Hester but absolutely nothing about Archer says that except... right.. speed. The one thing that most people on here cry about during the combine and draft. How many times on this board have we heard how useless 40 times are when looking at football players? But now because the Steelers draft someone with a great 40 time nothing else matters.
Also Hester played WR, KR and PR. He even played on defense at Miami. He's a guy that was drafted to be all those things plus be able to block down field and if good enough could start at WR. Archer at his best can't do that.
Think about this. The clowns drafted Archer. What would you say? You worried? Nope, then all the injuries, fumbles and no chance of starting all come out and he is a non-factor. I'd love to have a great PR and KR. I would love Hester or Cribbs back in the day. But I'd much rather have a guy that has potential to be a Brown in the 6th round or even a Beachum in the 7th. Archer at his very best is a situational player.
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Very insightful. I figure he gets 6 carries a game and lets say he averages 5 ypc = 480 yards a year. Lets say 3 catches a game and averages 10 a catch is 480 yards a year. Lets say he had 43 KR next year and averages 25 a return = 1075 a year.
6 carries AND 3 catches per game is a big, big projection. You really want Archer carrying the ball 6 times per game when we have Bell and Blount at RB? I think 1.5 carries per game and 1 catch per game is much more realistic.
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I was just pointing out the fact (which you apparently agree on) that Tomlin (or any other coach) often says things that are (intentionally or not) out of touch with reality, because if they spoke the absolute, frank truth, they'd be compromising the integrity of the team. He can't say exactly what the plan or expectations are for Archer, he might as well FedEx a copy of the Steelers' playbook to the other coaches. He can't say that he doesn't know WHAT they were thinking when they made the pick, because he would look incompetent.
My statement is not an indictment of Archer or Tomlin, just saying that something a coach says at a press conference has to be taken with a grain of salt, because what else do you expect them to say in situations like this?
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If you can't compare Archer to Hester you can't compare Archer to RAINEY!!!!
Hester vs Archer
Hester- KR- 40 att 1019 yards 2 td 25.5 ave
Archer- KR- 51 att 1436 yards 4 td 28.2 ave
Win Archer
Hester- PR- 41 att 638 yards 4 td 15.6 ave
Archer- PR- 6 att 8 yards 0 td 1.3 ave
Win Hester
Hester- Rushing- 24 att 160 yards 1 td 6.7 ave
Archer- Rushing- 325 att 2342 yards 24 td 7.2 ave
Win Archer
Hester- Receiving- 10 rec 196 yards 0 td 19.6 ave
Archer- Receiving- 99 rec 1194 yards 12 td 12.1 ave
Win Archer
And Hester picked 57th overall
Archer picked 97th overall
Win Archer!
If all you see when you watch this kid is speed then i dont know what to say. Wallace had just speed. Parker has just speed. Neither posessed the ability to make someone miss. Archer has that. Excellent running vision. Saying he is just speed is only telling half the story. Like Hester like Randle El he could make you miss. Just because you take the right angle doesnt mean your going to tackle him.
Just stop with this, man! The rules of this thread clearly state that Archer can only be compared with Rainey and other players who were complete and total failures in the NFL. You can not compare him to McCluster, Sproles, Cribbs or Hester!
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BTW, Hester has fumbled 34 times in the NFL. He fumbled it 8 times in 2006 on 67 touches (used only as a PR/KR) which is almost 12% of the time. Archer has averaged less than 3% in his career. For perspective, Archer fumbled 6 times in his last 310 touches.
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Depends how quickly he picks things up. McCluster in his second year had 114 rushes and 46 catches.
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I forgot to read the rules of the thread lol
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Again, you are comparing a guy who played in the Mid America Conference to someone who played at Miami. He averaged less than 3 yards difference in KR going against much less competition. He doesn't do PR. Hester is an all around talent. He played defense for **** sake. He is over 3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier. When you draft him you get a guy that can be a PR, KR and starting WR. His ceiling is so much higher. With Archer you get a guy that can ONLY be a KR and maybe a PR. He is never going to start at WR, RB or any other position. So his ceiling is basically Hester's floor.
I just have a hard time thinking he will average 6/3. He will probably hit those marks in a couple games, but I imagine there will be games where he doesn't get any touches from scrimmage also. Again, last year's 3rd rounder (a guy I'm actually quite high on) caught 6 balls all season. We already have an accomplished slot WR in Lance Moore and a RB in Bell that plays all 3 downs and is featured in the passing game...
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Rainey is a fair comparison because they are almost the same size and are similar prospects. You can't compare Archer to guys who are bigger and taller and that actually START or STARTED in the NFL. Archer isn't going to be that player even according to Tomlin. Seriously how is Archer similar to Parker? Really? But those comparison are ok? **** me.
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He has no chance at 9 touches a game. With all due respect, you're overvaluing what these scatbacks do. A realistic projection, even if he were a better prospect, would be closer to 3-4 rushes and 2-3 catches as a best-case scenario. You want him to put up high-end #2 RB carries AND high-end slot WR catches AND return every kickoff? Good luck. Dude was frequently injured in school, and was only a part-time player there, so I admire your optimism. Not to mention his extreme fumbilitis, but I'm sure he'll stay on the field for 16 games with a backbreaking workload.
Darren Sproles has had two 1,000-yard seasons in his career, BTW. He never comes anywhere close to 5 YPC or 10 YPC. Very, very few RBs ever do. Not sure why you think he's already the best and most productive scatback and KR on the planet.
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