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Steelers UDFAs Thread

Drink IRON City said:
No Worries madinsomniac, all good here………


Take my word for it,…… I certainly have my episodes of SUSD


Happens to be a little town who took the FSC national championship this year “SDSU”

“SOUTH DAKOTA STATE UNIVERSITY”

A lot of people haven’t even heard of SDSU and just assume San Diego State U.

That was my meaning with-in that post.


Salute the nation
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I've heard of SDSU. As a kid my teacher would tell me Sit Down and Shut Up all the time.
 
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SteelerSask2 said:
All I know is JPJ's sub 4.5 at almost 6'3 with 34 inch arms.........fast enough.
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Being physical is going to help Peezy Jr. That and those long arms will help bat down some passes.
 
Stewey said:
I've heard of SDSU. As a kid my teacher would tell me Sit Down and Shut Up all the time.
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Didn’t stick though…………………. :flame:


Salute the nation
 
slashsteel said:
Yep that short area quickness and or change in direction ability. I am always looking at 10 yard and 3 cones. Peezy Jr seemed to test out very similar to Sauce, but longer arms and stronger. **** pretty much the whole class had decent RAS scores on top of their signature on field performances.
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Did he? Well sort of. Sauce Garder ran a 4.41 Porter jr ran a 4.46 which is good speed for a CB, not very good speed which is 4.41

I think Porter does not have very good stop and go / charge of direction ability. He grabbed players a lot, but got away with in in college. He's not the next Sauce Gardner, now that guys was a ball hawk ( 9 INT's ), Porter only had 1 int. Having said that Porter is excellent at knocking balls away / PD's and should be a good player for the Steelers.




 
Coach said:
Did he? Well sort of. Sauce Garder ran a 4.41 Porter jr ran a 4.46 which is good speed for a CB, not very good speed which is 4.41

I think Porter does not have very good stop and go / charge of direction ability. He grabbed players a lot, but got away with in in college. He's not the next Sauce Gardner, now that guys was a ball hawk ( 9 INT's ), Porter only had 1 int. Having said that Porter is excellent at knocking balls away / PD's and should be a good player for the Steelers.




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Do you ever read posters responses? Something shouldn't have to be explained to you three times.

I am going to try it one last time. It has been noted that he improved in that area in his last season.

Try try try to soak this in

Try


Try
 
bigben said:
4.4 is average at best especially at WR. Not elite speed
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Just really depends on a lot more than what their 40 speed is. But if I had to throw out what I perceive to be an average 40 I think I would go with 4.5 but we are just splitting hairs here.
 
bigben said:
4.4 is average at best especially at WR. Not elite speed
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Sub 4.5 is fast. I've watched this thing enough and listened to the commentary. Sub 4.4 is elite. 4.4 is not average receiver speed. Sorry champ. That's just false.
And if you want to keep arguing 4.41 was 9 out of 32 receivers in 2022.
 
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I guess you would have to establish what "elite" means. 4.4 is in the 94th percentile for all combine participants. 4.3 is the 99th percentile. I guess I would say if you run a 4.4 you are probably a top 2 fastest guy on the field that day. If you are a 4.3 you are almost certainly the fastest guy on the field.
 
FordFairLane said:
I guess you would have to establish what "elite" means. 4.4 is in the 94th percentile for all combine participants. 4.3 is the 99th percentile. I guess I would say if you run a 4.4 you are probably a top 2 fastest guy on the field that day. If you are a 4.3 you are almost certainly the fastest guy on the field.
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Golf clap. The standard of fast is sub 4.5. If you are below you are on the good side of the curve.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Sub 4.5 is fast. I've watched this thing enough and listened to the commentary. Sub 4.4 is elite. 4.4 is not average receiver speed. Sorry champ. That's just false.
And if you want to keep arguing 4.41 was 9 out of 32 receivers in 2022.
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Ok champ pretend like there aren't plenty of DB's and WR in the league in the 4.2's. There are. Dri archer the bum had 4.2 speed, nobody outside Pittsburgh would even know that name.
 
bigben said:
Ok champ pretend like there aren't plenty of DB's and WR in the league in the 4.2's. There are. Dri archer the bum had 4.2 speed, nobody outside Pittsburgh would even know that name.
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Do you ever research the **** you write. I'm talking legit time at Combine. Top ten all time ends at Jamel Dean in 2019 at 4.30. That's all time. And in fact Chris Johnson is the only good player in the top ten all time.
 
FordFairLane said:
I guess you would have to establish what "elite" means. 4.4 is in the 94th percentile for all combine participants. 4.3 is the 99th percentile. I guess I would say if you run a 4.4 you are probably a top 2 fastest guy on the field that day. If you are a 4.3 you are almost certainly the fastest guy on the field.
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SteelerSask2 said:
Do you ever research the **** you write. I'm talking legit time at Combine. Top ten all time ends at Jamel Dean in 2019 at 4.30. That's all time. And in fact Chris Johnson is the only good player in the top ten all time.
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I don't have to research to know that 4.4 is average speed for a NFL WR and RB. Its far from elite. Not trying to argue here, but the facts remains 4.4 is very average.

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bigben said:
I don't have to research to know that 4.4 is average speed for a NFL WR and RB. Its far from elite. Not trying to argue here, but the facts remains 4.4 is very average.

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I'm just checking here. You do understand that 4.4 and 4.48 are different? And that 4.48 is 2 100ths off of 4.5 which is what I said was the cut-off at Combine.
 
bigben said:
I don't have to research to know that 4.4 is average speed for a NFL WR and RB. Its far from elite. Not trying to argue here, but the facts remains 4.4 is very average.

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4.48 is very close to 4.5 actually closer than 4.4. BB you really are being nitpicky here. So if you want to throw out facts I would say you are off on your assessment.
 
slashsteel said:
4.48 is very close to 4.5 actually closer than 4.4. BB you really are being nitpicky here. So if you want to throw out facts I would say you are off on your assessment.
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Again clap clap clap. 4.48 average means some players run sub 4.4 and some run nearly 4.6. There are not a bunch of players running 4.2 something. There have been 10 clocked at the combine ever. And every team has approximately 13-15 players at the wr./db position on the 53 roster. So that means about 350-400 of these players league Wide. You would be lucky to get one or two sub 4.3 at a combine style timed event.
 
All of this is considered splitting hairs, from an evaluation standpoint. Combine numbers are just part of the various measurables coaches and professional evaluators use. Far be the determining factor. No player has ever run his combine speed in game day gear, so it’s all relative. What is measurable on the field of play is as Madinsomniac stated, speed burst and change of direction skill. Chris Johnson was extremely fast on the field in pads. However, Willie Parker was faster. I‘ve seen both play in person on the field, and WP definitely was faster in the open field. But neither were Combine speed fast in pads. Of the DBs….(young) Deion Sanders was the fastest and Ike Taylor could keep up with Mike Wallace during camp races.

One note, a friendly reminder that when showing a source to prove a point, Wikipedia, is not the source to use.
 
Ike Kelly said:
All of this is considered splitting hairs, from an evaluation standpoint. Combine numbers are just part of the various measurables coaches and professional evaluators use. Far be the determining factor. No player has ever run his combine speed in game day gear, so it’s all relative. What is measurable on the field of play is as Madinsomniac stated, speed burst and change of direction skill. Chris Johnson was extremely fast on the field in pads. However, Willie Parker was faster. I‘ve seen both play in person on the field, and WP definitely was faster in the open field. But neither were Combine speed fast in pads. Of the DBs….(young) Deion Sanders was the fastest and Ike Taylor could keep up with Mike Wallace during camp races.

One note, a friendly reminder that when showing a source to prove a point, Wikipedia, is not the source to use.
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I agree with all of this. Just don't tell me 4.4 in shorts isn't fast. Cause it is.
 
Back when I was a yout, me and the other kids in the neighborhood were out tricken on Halloween when the po-lice showed up. Pretty sure I ran a 3.8 forty.
Never felt my feet touch the ground. Motivation is everything.
 
bigben said:
I don't have to research to know that 4.4 is average speed for a NFL WR and RB. Its far from elite. Not trying to argue here, but the facts remains 4.4 is very average.

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94th percentile is not average. 4.56 is 50th percentile for skill players so THAT would be average.
 
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