Do you understand elite cannot be on the same tenth of a second as average, that would be impossible when there are a dozen rookies who run sub 4.4, probably every year at that. not including the current players in the league. If 4.40 is elite then what would you describe as average? and how would you explain a bunch of 4.2 guys clocked??
Right now. I want you to find and provide this bunch of 4.2 clocked times. Perhaps m source was incorrect. But it had pictures of the 10 guys who were clocked sub 4.3. Dri Archer was one. Chris Johnson was 2nd and I did not recognize anyone else. Now I'm certain some have been clocked at pro days or hand timed sub 4.3. I'm talking the quality control of the Combine.
Your list is of the best all time. I'm not completely sure what you are saying in second part of this bit I might actually agree.
31 players in last years draft alone ran sub 4.4 is my point. if every team in the league has a sub 4.4 guy, or a handful. 4.4 isn't elite.
Linebackers are not Levon Kirkland anymore. Taking into account just linebackers and safety on top of receivers and corners not even qs more than 120 players ran and for sure at least 1 ran sub 4.4. Richardson. So that is 31 out of more then 120 at the fastest positions.
What I'm trying to say is on that list he posted of sub 4.3 guys only 2 of the 17 seen there are players of any note. Champ Bailey and Chris Johnson. So maybe being sub 4.3 doesn't translate to a great NFL player very often. Maybe they are just fast guys. Maybe to be that fast they have certain body builds or muscle structure that can't handle the pounding of the NFL, for example. I don't know. It was just a thought.
Totally agree. Few super fast guys are great players.
We were talking WR and Runningbacks. A burner at that position cannot be slower than a fast Linebacker.
I can agree with the super fast guys are rarely great football players. There are more injuries today because the players are much bigger faster and stronger than they use to be, Growth Hormone wasn't around then.
When you came up with your number 31 I believe it was all participants which included QB Richardson and an edge or even and off ball linebacker is capable of 4.4 speed.The fact remains 1/4 or less of Corners, wr's and rbs went sub 4.4 at the combine.
It mostly that agents get these guys trainers who focus on just those events… tge NFL isn’t track and field… the 40 is just a straight line run with nothing else to think about or compensate for… no other players.. no route to run.. nobody to cover… no pads… just a free brainless run…
You can't teach speed, but it only works if its combined with vision, instincts/awareness and balance.
My definition of elite speed is not faster than 75% of dbs, rb's and wr.
There aren't even 100 players at the combine at DBs, rb and wr. So that means one person maybe per year which there isn't sub 4.3 every year. So by your definition there are about 6 people in the league with elite speed. Your definition......but pretty elite.
Elite to me is something special not, every team has 6 guys that fast
Do you really believe that? Pickens ran 4.48. Dj ran above 4.5 and Harris ran above 4.4. Porter Jr. Ran just below 4.5. Fitpatrick ran 4.48. You give me 6 Steelers who ran below 4.4.
