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Steeler's WR's

jitter77 said:
Nobody has broke anything big. Our longest pass play was 36 yrds by Pickens and Gentry had a 31 yrder for reference. DJs longest was 25. The sideline catches were near impossible yesterday I am not sure why people are so hard on him for those. He certainly did drop some drive killers though. I am also looking at Johnson as a whole, not just this year. Johnson has shown he can be highly productive while Pickens has only had 5 games so far. Here is an interesting article from a few weeks ago

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Studies Suggest That, Yes, Diontae Johnson is Open (But George Pickens Is Not)

Steelers wide receiver Diontae Johnson is open. Like, right now. At any given time, Johnson is open, man. Just throw him the ball. At least, that’s what ESPN’s Receiver Tracking Metrics suggest. Utilizing Next Gen Stats, ESPN developed its Receiver Tracking Metrics (RTMs) –– and the result is...
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Here is how it is calculated
www.espn.com

Introducing Receiver Tracking Metrics: How our new NFL stats can better rate pass-catchers

Our metrics use player tracking data from NFL Next Gen Stats to analyze every route run and assess receiver performance in three distinct phases.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Pickens has been coming on lately so it will be interesting to see how these numbers are now
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Pickens has it, DJ doesn't. Really easy to see all the way back to camp. And I also watched Pickens his entire career at Georgia. He can do **** naturally only DJ can dream of.


..you know like catching the ******* ball like it's your job and someone just shelled out a bunch of money for you to do that job well.
 
jitter77 said:
Nobody has broke anything big. Our longest pass play was 36 yrds by Pickens and Gentry had a 31 yrder for reference. DJs longest was 25. The sideline catches were near impossible yesterday I am not sure why people are so hard on him for those. He certainly did drop some drive killers though. I am also looking at Johnson as a whole, not just this year. Johnson has shown he can be highly productive while Pickens has only had 5 games so far. Here is an interesting article from a few weeks ago
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Probably because we watch guys make these plays every week and DJ drops some easy ones more often than he should. On top of it, calling out the fans today doesn't help his cause.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Probably because we watch guys make these plays every week and DJ drops some easy ones more often than he should. On top of it, calling out the fans today doesn't help his cause.
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Calling out the fans was a bad look for sure, but the sideline catches were not routine by any stretch. The one he was sprinting full speed and caught the ball with one hand and barely missed getting both feet down. That would have been a spectacular catch. DJs drops were bad, but I dont see that continuing Pickens is a freak of nature and has the gifts, but it is only 5 games into his career. Claypool looked like he would be a world beater and to say he fell off a cliff would be an understatement. JuJu appeared to have all the makings of a stud WR and has been good but not great
 
jitter77 said:
Calling out the fans was a bad look for sure, but the sideline catches were not routine by any stretch. The one he was sprinting full speed and caught the ball with one hand and barely missed getting both feet down. That would have been a spectacular catch. DJs drops were bad, but I dont see that continuing Pickens is a freak of nature and has the gifts, but it is only 5 games into his career. Claypool looked like he would be a world beater and to say he fell off a cliff would be an understatement. JuJu appeared to have all the makings of a stud WR and has been good but not great
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Johnson needs to catch this ball.

 
SteelerFan448 said:
Johnson needs to catch this ball.

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Of course he does. I said he had some bad drops. Some were drive / game killers this year. They are amplified by the sucking of the team and his drops a couple years ago. Have to think its a mental thing at this point. He still has more targets and more catches than anyone. I think he will get sorted out..
 
So let me expound on the issues with Claypool’s routes.. Romo is right about things from a qb point of view, Claypool always putting that little slant on things trying to turn upfield to make a bigger play often runs him into coverage, and even worse, when you are designing route trees sometimes those crisp and accurately spaced routes are there to force a safety or Lb to commit to that route and free a guy up behind him… Arians would murder the dude for him either not drawing coverage away with a sloppy route or dragging coverage into another route…

but there are other things he does that are problematic but totally fixable… mistimed leaping we all know, but on deep routes he slows up then speeds back up so much it throws off timing a ton…


The reason DJ is so valuable is that he runs crisp and well timed routes… his issues are just mental concentration things. There isnt an OC in this league that wouldn’t jump at the chance to get DJ, warts and all
 
While definitely flawed in some areas, DJ is still chronically undervalued here…yeah he has some bad drops and two foot drag fails, but like I said above, route running and properly reading and adjusting routes is perpetually more valuable in this nfl than ever before… he is why guys like Ward were so low key valuable back in the day… and ward had his fair share of terrible drops too… some in key moments.. just like virtually every wr does… its just everything else he did made it very easy not to pay attention to that… but Wards routes let guys like whiz and arians design all sorts of plays to move safeties and petrify defenses

(also those blurbs you see about him calling out fans were taken out of context… he was mostly gushing about the fans… just a media narrative to get clicks)
 
madinsomniac said:
So let me expound on the issues with Claypool’s routes.. Romo is right about things from a qb point of view, Claypool always putting that little slant on things trying to turn upfield to make a bigger play often runs him into coverage, and even worse, when you are designing route trees sometimes those crisp and accurately spaced routes are there to force a safety or Lb to commit to that route and free a guy up behind him… Arians would murder the dude for him either not drawing coverage away with a sloppy route or dragging coverage into another route…

but there are other things he does that are problematic but totally fixable… mistimed leaping we all know, but on deep routes he slows up then speeds back up so much it throws off timing a ton…


The reason DJ is so valuable is that he runs crisp and well timed routes… his issues are just mental concentration things. There isnt an OC in this league that wouldn’t jump at the chance to get DJ, warts and all
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Good then he should bring some trade value.

I just think those drop issues disrupt the flow of an offense. I am not sure they won't keep poking their head out at the most inopportune time.
 
I don't fault DJ much for the two plays where he didn't get both feet in bounds in this game as the throws made it almost impossible. But, he had 2 drops that he should have caught and both would have been for 1st downs. I believe the one shown above was on 4th down.
 
How much longer before Johnson wants a trade?
 
WE all will be surprised if Tomlin would sit Johnson and Claypool. Tomlin philosophy stands at hey the kick returner fumbled twice he may never play again. Two receivers drop balls and ball is turned over not a word. Change of position in each but Tomlin (as Canada running the same play over and over), continues to only penalize certain positions, as he put Pierre defensive back in and fumbled first kick. Tomlin holds certain players accountable as he ran Ben out of town and yet others run free from his bus tires.
 
i watched some Ben/AB highlights on youtube last night. man we were spoiled for a few years, ya know?
 
paperclip said:
i watched some Ben/AB highlights on youtube last night. man we were spoiled for a few years, ya know?
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Game on the line I would take 2022 AB over DJ. While I will admit Brown is definitely off in the head these days but in his day he was clutch.
The great ones always come up big when its do or die with the game on the line. Santonio Holmes was clutch, Brown was always reliable, Bell always made the big play with the game on the line, like the play he lost his helmet and yet still got into the endzone to ice the game against the chargers I think. How many times did Ben struggle and come through with a game winning drive? All the time. Game on the line they were just winners when it mattered most.

Subpar guys like DJ and JuJu may appear good enough half the time and even make some great plays but game on the line they let you down every time. Ju Ju fumbled away atleast 1 season I think against the saints a few years ago. Always overrated, guy can't even eat in KC with Mahommes. Was never a number 1 WR just had the luxury of playing across from the best receiver in the league. Mendenhall looked good at times but was also a first round disappointment who fumbled a superbowl away. You just can't rely on these guys when it matters most. There are so few games in a season, every win, every drive matters. Its a game of inches. I don;t care if DJ makes 10 great catches every game if he drops the crucial ones that decide the outcome of a game. He is a gifted reciever but will never be a solid #1 you can count on when the pressure is on. His hands are Jekyll and Hyde. Guys like Claypool and Harris are physical freaks with the prototype builds for their positions who should be world beaters, they just lack top tier talent.
 
they just extending DJ they are not going to trade him, its Canada not callint the proper plays to maximize DJ assets speed and route running you have to run him a lot on slants and deep crossers and sluggo's
 
everyone keeps blaming Mendy for the FB the fb missed his block and it was Mendy 1-3 vs Hawk, Clay in thier prime, it was the oc problem we had back then that we never used a traditional FB but suppar TE and converted them into FB (David Johnson)
 
Rashard needs to hold onto the ball no matter what. Especially in the biggest game of his life. He **** the bed on the biggest stage.
 
Litos said:
I'm all for seeing more 2 TE sets, I wouldn't mind trading DJ for a 1st rounder either, or claypool for a 2nd, especially if CA3 gets to see the field this season. Get on with the complete rehauling
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Nobody is giving a 2nd for Claypuff
 
jitter77 said:
Nobody has broke anything big. Our longest pass play was 36 yrds by Pickens and Gentry had a 31 yrder for reference. DJs longest was 25. The sideline catches were near impossible yesterday I am not sure why people are so hard on him for those. He certainly did drop some drive killers though. I am also looking at Johnson as a whole, not just this year. Johnson has shown he can be highly productive while Pickens has only had 5 games so far. Here is an interesting article from a few weeks ago

steelersnow.com

Studies Suggest That, Yes, Diontae Johnson is Open (But George Pickens Is Not)

Steelers wide receiver Diontae Johnson is open. Like, right now. At any given time, Johnson is open, man. Just throw him the ball. At least, that’s what ESPN’s Receiver Tracking Metrics suggest. Utilizing Next Gen Stats, ESPN developed its Receiver Tracking Metrics (RTMs) –– and the result is...
steelersnow.com steelersnow.com

Here is how it is calculated
www.espn.com

Introducing Receiver Tracking Metrics: How our new NFL stats can better rate pass-catchers

Our metrics use player tracking data from NFL Next Gen Stats to analyze every route run and assess receiver performance in three distinct phases.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Pickens has been coming on lately so it will be interesting to see how these numbers are now
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DJ is nothing more than a solid 2 getting paid like a good 1…

The good news is we have a guy that should be a 1
 
bigben said:
Rashard needs to hold onto the ball no matter what. Especially in the biggest game of his life. He **** the bed on the biggest stage.
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And Johnson just had to block .....bump into one of the two defenders that he just run by him on either side.
 
bigben said:
Game on the line I would take 2022 AB over DJ. While I will admit Brown is definitely off in the head these days but in his day he was clutch.
The great ones always come up big when its do or die with the game on the line. Santonio Holmes was clutch, Brown was always reliable, Bell always made the big play with the game on the line, like the play he lost his helmet and yet still got into the endzone to ice the game against the chargers I think. How many times did Ben struggle and come through with a game winning drive? All the time. Game on the line they were just winners when it mattered most.

Subpar guys like DJ and JuJu may appear good enough half the time and even make some great plays but game on the line they let you down every time. Ju Ju fumbled away atleast 1 season I think against the saints a few years ago. Always overrated, guy can't even eat in KC with Mahommes. Was never a number 1 WR just had the luxury of playing across from the best receiver in the league. Mendenhall looked good at times but was also a first round disappointment who fumbled a superbowl away. You just can't rely on these guys when it matters most. There are so few games in a season, every win, every drive matters. Its a game of inches. I don;t care if DJ makes 10 great catches every game if he drops the crucial ones that decide the outcome of a game. He is a gifted reciever but will never be a solid #1 you can count on when the pressure is on. His hands are Jekyll and Hyde. Guys like Claypool and Harris are physical freaks with the prototype builds for their positions who should be world beaters, they just lack top tier talent.
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I would also say with DJ I have seen alot of plays where if he isn't the main target he gives a very lack luster effort. This hurts the other receivers. You have to sell yourself the whole time. I would also say that never in the history of greatest all time or #1 receivers have you ever had a guy who was legit #1 or all pro have drop issues (maybe before they became considered that level but not while they were at that level). These are the guys that catch everything that comes their way 95% of the time. DJ probably has more drops in a coupe of seasons than Rice or other HOF receivers had their whole careers. Honestly he is a few more drops away from being a CB. A receiver that doesn't catch is not a receiver let alone a top receiver. We were dumb pay him the extension. A receiver that can't catch or has issues with catching is just like a QB that can't throw. Everything else they do means nothing.
 
F83 said:
they just extending DJ they are not going to trade him, its Canada not callint the proper plays to maximize DJ assets speed and route running you have to run him a lot on slants and deep crossers and sluggo's
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Yeah, the play calling makes him drop the ball.
 
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