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http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article211333594.html

Get ready to save water: Permanent California restrictions approved by Gov. Jerry Brown

By Taryn Luna And Alexei Koseff

tluna@sacbee.com

akoseff@sacbee.com

May 31, 2018 12:21 PM

Updated May 31, 2018 12:57 PM

The drought may be over, but California residents should prepare themselves for new and more permanent restrictions on water use.

Gov. Jerry Brown signed a pair of bills Thursday to set permanent overall targets for indoor and outdoor water consumption.

Assembly Bill 1668 by Assemblywoman Laura Friedman, D-Glendale, and Senate Bill 606 from state Sen. Bob Hertzberg, D-Los Angeles, give water districts more flexibility than the strict cuts mandated under Brown’s emergency drought order and will eventually allow state regulators to assess thousands of dollars in fines against jurisdictions that do not meet the goals.

"In preparation for the next drought and our changing environment, we must use our precious resources wisely," Brown said in a statement. "We have efficiency goals for energy and cars – and now we have them for water.”

The laws set an initial limit for indoor water use of 55 gallons per-person per-day in 2022, which gradually drops to 50 gallons per person by 2030.

Just how consumers will be required to meet the goals remains unknown.

The Department of Water Resources and State Water Resources Control Board will conduct studies and recommend standards for outdoor use by October 2021. State regulators will consult with local districts, recognizing differences in climate, water availability and demand across the state, to establish outdoor targets. Water districts that have already taken steps, such as recycling, to broaden their water supply could get more leeway even in dry conditions.

California residents used an average of 90 gallons of indoor and outdoor water per day in 2017, down from 109 gallons in 2013, according to the State Water Resources Control Board.

Water consumption typically climbs in the summer months and falls in the winter. Residents used an average of 65 gallons of water per day in March of this year compared to 120 gallons per day in July 2017, for example.

"This is something that has never been done before," said Hertzberg before the Senate passed his bill on a 24-12 vote on May 17. "We know we are facing challenges. We need to be a government that is prepared and provide the structures so this doesn't happen again."

Brown declared a state of emergency in January 2014 and California imposed mandatory 25 percent cutbacks on water use the following year. The state relaxed the temporary restrictions in 2016 and eventually called off the drought a year ago.

Friedman said the changes would make California water use more sustainable and “set us on the right path forward” to handle future water shortages.

“This creates a framework for further work to come,” Friedman said on the Assembly floor. The Assembly passed her bill 43-23, along party lines.

Several Democrats acknowledged how the bills had been amended to address concerns about avoiding a “one size fits all” approach and to remove the opposition of water districts, who initially objected to handing over more control to the state.

“Whiskey is for drinking, water is for fighting,” Assemblywoman Blanca Rubio, D-Baldwin Park, said, quoting the old maxim often attributed to Mark Twain.
 
I knew about this some months back. The designated targets for water use are so massively low that they are impossible to reach. No state in the Union has citizens using an average of just 55 gallons per day. The average instead runs approximately 300 gallons per day for a family. A family of four is thereby using an average of 75 gallons per day per person, a family of three 100 gallons per day. Californians use more than 100 gallons per day during the summer because of the dry climate. The extra water is used for lawns and swimming pools.

Oh, how much better we will all be when our lawns are brown and weed-strewn and pools are emptied. Hey, maybe Californians stop showering as well. On the way to greatness in the state. We will stink, have brown lawns, and dangerous, empty pools - all to fix a problem that does not exist!!
 
In all seriousness, how does an ocean front state have water shortages? Have they not discovered desalinization yet on the West coast? Not trying to be a total smart ***, but just seems off to me.
 
Water use in the continental United States - note how no Western state has a population using less than 100 gallons per day.

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The "target" of 55 gallons and later 50 gallons per day is asinine. Hey, make it 5 gallons per day. Go all in!!

Meanwhile, California watches as tens of billions of gallons of rainwater disappears and has not built a reservoir in more than 30 years. Oh, but collecting rainwater and building reservoirs would not solve the water shortage. No, no, instead let's institute asinine, idiotic and impossible water restrictions on the poor ******** who live here.

I am looking for some sort of "waiver" for politicians. I mean, they're important and need more than 55 gallons per day, right? Kinda like the Obamacare waiver.
 
In all seriousness, how does an ocean front state have water shortages? Have they not discovered desalinization yet on the West coast? Not trying to be a total smart ***, but just seems off to me.

Desalinization is very expensive as compared to drilling for groundwater and collecting rainwater and snow melt, which is what we currently do. The snow melt yields tens of billions of gallons per year, just running downhill from the mountains.
 
I showered using a five gallon water can on many occasions . Ironically enough, most of those instances occurred in California.
 
Desalinization is very expensive as compared to drilling for groundwater and collecting rainwater and snow melt, which is what we currently do. The snow melt yields tens of billions of gallons per year, just running downhill from the mountains.

Exactly. Costs way too much. The Saudis do it but they have a ****-ton of money to pay for that stuff. The problem in SoCal is that there are simply too many people for the water supply.
 
Maybe Steeltime and Heinz can shower together to save water. :)

Watch, that will be next great idea to come out of California.
 
In all seriousness, how does an ocean front state have water shortages? Have they not discovered desalinization yet on the West coast? Not trying to be a total smart ***, but just seems off to me.

The Navy does it in all their ships. It requires a great deal of maintenance. I remember once the San Diego city council was talking about taking a fact finding tour of Italy to see how they do it. That would have to be one of the world's biggest boondoggles when all they had to do was to visit some of the ships in their own back yard.
 
So is California still letting all that water from the mountains in NorCal just run out into the Pacific Ocean?
 
So is California still letting all that water from the mountains in NorCal just run out into the Pacific Ocean?
I think much of it runs south and is piped in but it's not enough.
 
Save water, shower with a friend?
 
So is California still letting all that water from the mountains in NorCal just run out into the Pacific Ocean?

We let a ****-ton run out into the Pacific due to the Delta smelt, a small fish that was getting caught up in the grates for California's massive delta system that saves water for agriculture. We also have no effective rainwater collection system, other than lakes and reservoirs, and the flood channels direct rainwater - millions upon millions of gallons - into the Pacific.

How do I know that? Because these flood channels have clear warnings posted on signs, advising:

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Desalinization is very expensive as compared to drilling for groundwater and collecting rainwater and snow melt, which is what we currently do. The snow melt yields tens of billions of gallons per year, just running downhill from the mountains.

I beg to differ. All that free sunshine providing free electricity! you ******* just dont know how to get stuff for ******* free.
 
Most of those West coast hippies are already pretty ripe. Now they’re really going to stink. Kalifornia is going to run out of OPM.
 
We let a ****-ton run out into the Pacific due to the Delta smelt, a small fish that was getting caught up in the grates for California's massive delta system that saves water for agriculture. We also have no effective rainwater collection system, other than lakes and reservoirs, and the flood channels direct rainwater - millions upon millions of gallons - into the Pacific.

How do I know that? Because these flood channels have clear warnings posted on signs, advising:

no-dumping-in-ocean-sign-ballona-creek-culver-city-los-angeles-california-E6DT0D.jpg


Oh yeah I know about the Delta Smelt. Its already extinct in the wild and is only bred in captivity now. So all that water is going to waist for nothing.
 
Oh yeah I know about the Delta Smelt. Its already extinct in the wild and is only bred in captivity now. So all that water is going to waist for nothing.

California does not blow taxpayer money, DBS. Billions for the homeless, a fraction for highways, and nothing for new reservoirs? Pffffft, exactly what the people want.

Exactly. But the middle class revolt is brewing, brother. The taxpayers are ******* pissed with the ripoff gas tax, recalled a legislator behind the gas tax, and are furious about the tax rates, ****** roads, and burgeoning welfare state. The free lunch days are ending and ending soon - not soon enough for me and Mrs. Steeltime as we are out of here, but ending nonetheless.
 
I just looked at our water bills for the last year, we are just two people and we have averaged almost 65 gallons a day over the last year. We could even cut that back some if we wanted. Keep in mind we have cold weather almost 7-8 months a year and use very little water during that time. We also collect snow melt and rain water for our irrigation, which is illegal in a lot of places. I can’t imagine that it would be feasible in a much warmer climate. Hell we are currently sitting in front of an outdoor fire right now.
 
I just looked at our water bills for the last year, we are just two people and we have averaged almost 65 gallons a day over the last year. We could even cut that back some if we wanted. Keep in mind we have cold weather almost 7-8 months a year and use very little water during that time. We also collect snow melt and rain water for our irrigation, which is illegal in a lot of places. I can’t imagine that it would be feasible in a much warmer climate. Hell we are currently sitting in front of an outdoor fire right now.

******* racist felonious thug. you should be incarcerated.
i bet you don't even wear a pussyhat nor follow david hogg on twitter.
 
******* racist felonious thug. you should be incarcerated.
i bet you don't even wear a pussyhat nor follow david hogg on twitter.

Guilty as charged
 
I just looked at our water bills for the last year, we are just two people and we have averaged almost 65 gallons a day over the last year. We could even cut that back some if we wanted. Keep in mind we have cold weather almost 7-8 months a year and use very little water during that time. We also collect snow melt and rain water for our irrigation, which is illegal in a lot of places. I can’t imagine that it would be feasible in a much warmer climate. Hell we are currently sitting in front of an outdoor fire right now.

Of course the 55 and 50 gallon limits are ludicrous. Every politician knows that. They don't give a **** - they want the water districts to get hammered, and pass on that financial hammer to the stupid citizens paying the bill.

Another phony tax increase, hidden as "water conservation." I swear to God almighty, the California legislature is doing its damndest to drive out the people who pay the ******* bills.

And make no mistake - they are succeeding. California is losing about 600,000 per year in population overall, but the numbers are much, much worse than that. California is actually losing taxpayers and gaining homeless and illegals. Yeah, that'll work.
 
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