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Steeltime Special: The California Exodus

Tim Steelersfan

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Just for you Steeltime. I know this article will likely bring a tear to your eye, how Democratic rule has ruined the once great state of California.

With no letup in home prices, the California exodus surges

The median sale price for a home in California is more than double that in the rest of the nation

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Say goodbye to Hollywood, Billy Joel sang in 1976.

Now, in the midst of a deepening housing crisis, thousands of people are following that advice.

Over a million more people moved out of California from 2006 to 2016 than moved in, according to a new report, due mainly to the high cost of housing that hits lower-income people the hardest.

“A strong economy can also be dysfunctional,” noted the report, a project of Next 10 and Beacon Economics. Housing costs are much higher in California than in other states, yet wages for workers in the lower income brackets aren’t. And the state attracts more highly-educated high-earners who can afford pricey homes.

There are many reasons for the housing crunch, but the lack of new construction may be the most significant. According to the report, from 2008 to 2017, an average of 24.7 new housing permits were filed for every 100 new residents in California. That’s well below the national average of 43.1 permits per 100 people.

If this trend persists, the researchers argued, analysts forecast the state will be about 3 million homes short by 2025.

What does it mean?

California homeowners spend an average of 21.9% of their income on housing costs, the 49th worst in the nation, while renters spend 32.8%, the 48th worst. The median rent statewide in 2016 was $1,375, which is 40.2% higher than the national average. And the median home price was — wait for it — more than double that of the national average.

One coping strategy: California residents are more likely to double up. Nearly 14% of renter households had more than one person per bedroom, the highest reading for this category in the nation.

Coping can also mean leaving.

In a separate analysis, Realtor.com found that the number of people searching real estate listings in the 16 top California markets compared to people living there and searching elsewhere was more than double that of other areas — and growing.

And in those areas — counties including Santa Clara, San Mateo and Los Angeles — the growth in views of listings on Realtor.com was virtually unchanged compared to a year ago this spring, while views of listings in other U.S. areas were 15% higher.

(News Corp, owner of MarketWatch, also operates Realtor.com under license from the National Association of Realtors.)

The Next 10 and Beacon Economics researchers used Census data to track migration patterns by demographic characteristics. More than 20% of the 1.1 million people who moved in the decade they tracked did so in 2006, at the height of the housing bubble, when prices were, as they write, “sky-high.”

As the housing market imploded and prices came back to earth, migration out of the state slowed. But as prices recovered, “out-migration” has not only picked up steam, it’s accelerated.

Those migration patterns are shaped by socioeconomics. Most people leaving the state earn less than $30,000 per year, even as those who can afford higher housing costs are still arriving. As the report noted, California was also a net importer of highly skilled professionals from the information, professional and technical services, and arts and entertainment industries. On the other hand, California saw the largest exodus of workers in accommodation, construction, manufacturing and retail trade industries.

(In a note about what this statewide trend might mean for the national economy, the report also calls the housing crunch “most dire” in agricultural areas, particularly the Central Valley and Imperial County.)

And where those refugees head may say a lot about why they’re going. The top five destinations for California migrants between 2014 and 2016 were the nearby, but generally cheaper, states of Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon and Washington.

Median statewide home prices
California $549,000
Texas $295,000
Arizona $339,000
Nevada $344,900
Oregon $420,000
Washington $420,000
(as of 4/1/2018, source Realtor.com)

It’s worth noting that many housing analysts and economists believe that the 2017 tax law changes may push residents of higher-priced properties out of high-tax states like California. But that isn’t happening yet.
 
The median sale price for a home in California is more than double that in the rest of the nation

Tax breaks or not, as people leave California there will eventually be a decrease in the demand for housing thus leading to a decrease in housing prices. Homelessness in Cali is already at epidemic proportion. Possibly why Gov. Brown & Co. want more illegal immigrants to keep that demand up and prevent a crash. Frankly I predict a crash.
 
Cali needs a law where empty homes should be taken and given to the poor. ;-)
 
I have to work in Phoenix, but my escape on the weekends is at 7,000 feet just south of Flagstaff.

On my 120 mile ride back to the valley of smog this afternoon, I counted almost as many California plates on I-17 as AZ plates.

The migration is happening in a big way.
 
I have to work in Phoenix, but my escape on the weekends is at 7,000 feet just south of Flagstaff.

On my 120 mile ride back to the valley of smog this afternoon, I counted almost as many California plates on I-17 as AZ plates.

The migration is happening in a big way.

Yep, count me in that group with one difference ... the ******* geniuses who run California have increased registration costs considerably, beginning this year (along with gas taxes, beverage taxes, sales taxes, etc.). So when my registration runs in August, I register my car in Arizona.

I give them my money. California is about to lose another resident paying massive income taxes. They stopped sucking my wallet for property taxes two years ago. We sold our home and built a ******* mansion in Arizona with the equity.

**** off, California. You are about to become Cuba. Or Venezuela. Or any other single-party, left-wing shithole that has spent other people's money to the point of bankruptcy.
 
and now the prices will really skyrocket!



California to become first U.S. state mandating solar on new homes

California is on the verge of making solar standard on virtually every new home built in the Golden State.

The California Energy Commission is scheduled to vote Wednesday, May 9, on new energy standards mandating most new homes have solar panels starting in 2020.

If approved as expected, solar installations on new homes will skyrocket.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/05/...first-u-s-state-mandating-solar-on-new-homes/
 
and now the prices will really skyrocket!



California to become first U.S. state mandating solar on new homes

California is on the verge of making solar standard on virtually every new home built in the Golden State.

The California Energy Commission is scheduled to vote Wednesday, May 9, on new energy standards mandating most new homes have solar panels starting in 2020.

If approved as expected, solar installations on new homes will skyrocket.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/05/...first-u-s-state-mandating-solar-on-new-homes/

At least CA has sunshine. Gotta laugh when I see solar panels here in Pittsburgh where we average 90 sunny days per year.
 
and now the prices will really skyrocket!



California to become first U.S. state mandating solar on new homes

California is on the verge of making solar standard on virtually every new home built in the Golden State.

The California Energy Commission is scheduled to vote Wednesday, May 9, on new energy standards mandating most new homes have solar panels starting in 2020.

If approved as expected, solar installations on new homes will skyrocket.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/05/...first-u-s-state-mandating-solar-on-new-homes/

I wonder what municipalities/legislature will do when they stop getting massive amounts of sales taxes from electric bills?
 
and now the prices will really skyrocket!



California to become first U.S. state mandating solar on new homes

California is on the verge of making solar standard on virtually every new home built in the Golden State.

The California Energy Commission is scheduled to vote Wednesday, May 9, on new energy standards mandating most new homes have solar panels starting in 2020.

If approved as expected, solar installations on new homes will skyrocket.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/05/...first-u-s-state-mandating-solar-on-new-homes/

Damn......That's crazy, there is so much misinformation and overpricing out there that the poor peoples are gonna get clipped fur shur. It's exactly like the pure water scams from 20 years ago when the door to door salesmen sold $1200 water purifying systems for $5,000 and tacked on a monthly service fee.

I can see it now, Spike...just like you said, the price of solar in California just went up big time. Then when the dust settles and the power companies start complaining because there is not enough revenue to keep up line maintenance, their prices will skyrocket also.

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At least CA has sunshine. Gotta laugh when I see solar panels here in Pittsburgh where we average 90 sunny days per year.

We just installed solar panels at our plant. I wasn't too hip on it at first but it made sense. We got a huge tax credit and they'll be paid off in a few years. They still generate power even when it's cloudy and also when the moon is bright.
 
I am looking at getting solar panel to run my pool pump, but that is just because I don't want to go through he bullshit regulations for running house power to it.
 
Yep, count me in that group with one difference ... the ******* geniuses who run California have increased registration costs considerably, beginning this year (along with gas taxes, beverage taxes, sales taxes, etc.). So when my registration runs in August, I register my car in Arizona.

I give them my money. California is about to lose another resident paying massive income taxes. They stopped sucking my wallet for property taxes two years ago. We sold our home and built a ******* mansion in Arizona with the equity.

**** off, California. You are about to become Cuba. Or Venezuela. Or any other single-party, left-wing shithole that has spent other people's money to the point of bankruptcy.

Maybe the San Andreas will be the next massive rupture, and you'll still have oceanfront property. Happy landing in the AZ.
 
We just installed solar panels at our plant. I wasn't too hip on it at first but it made sense. We got a huge tax credit and they'll be paid off in a few years. They still generate power even when it's cloudy and also when the moon is bright.

I've looked into solar panels for my house. Problem is, i don't want them attached to the roof. In addition, it is expensive enough that, if my electricity bill dropped to $0, it'd be 17 years before they were paid off. I expect to be dead from climate by then.
 
I've looked into solar panels for my house. Problem is, i don't want them attached to the roof. In addition, it is expensive enough that, if my electricity bill dropped to $0, it'd be 17 years before they were paid off. I expect to be dead from climate by then.

We have a lot of equipment and use a ton of electricity. There are some things that run 24/7. Our electric bill averages $10K/month. We're hoping that the panels will cut that by 50%. The ******** at Indianapolis Power & Light waited 5 weeks to come out and hook up the power line for our panels to their box. They just lost $60K/year with the flip of a lever.
 
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I live about 50 miles from the Ca./Or. border and yes I'm seeing a lot of Ca. license plates. Not just on the high way but also around town. A lot of retirees are selling their homes in Ca. and making a bundle. Then moving here where they are just 50 miles away.
 
We just installed solar panels at our plant. I wasn't too hip on it at first but it made sense. We got a huge tax credit and they'll be paid off in a few years. They still generate power even when it's cloudy and also when the moon is bright.

Are Libs happy that you're using "green" energy or are they pissed off about corporate tax cuts?
Asking for a friend.
 
Are Libs happy that you're using "green" energy or are they pissed off about corporate tax cuts?
Asking for a friend.

I would think both. None of our employees are libtards, so I can't confirm. We'll have to see if one of the boards' quad of socialists chimes in.
 
I've looked into solar panels for my house. Problem is, i don't want them attached to the roof. In addition, it is expensive enough that, if my electricity bill dropped to $0, it'd be 17 years before they were paid off. I expect to be dead from climate by then.

I have been researching a system at my place for a while now. What I'm looking at is an investment of about $4K in solar and wind turbine combined. If I can save just $25 a month, Ii will pay for itself in 13 years. Lord knows I will be dead and buried by then but if I can get it up and operational, it will be satisfying in itself. It will also give me reliable power during outages and since I have a separate meter for my shop, that will be totally off grid while the house will get a 6 circuit transfer switch so I can selectively direct power to any areas I choose.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Reliance-C...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Indy...I haven't hear of panels that operate by moonlight, must be something super new. All the panels available to me will loose most of their output if even part of them are covered. The whole panel must be in sunlight and aimed perfectly at the sun to produce up to their capacity. Even a small percentage of sunlight loss will render that panel almost useless.

Here's a short lesson



Ark....panels don't have to be on the roof, mine will not be for probably the same reasons that you have.

https://news.energysage.com/ground-mounted-solar-panels-top-3-things-you-need-to-know/
 
Tax breaks or not, as people leave California there will eventually be a decrease in the demand for housing thus leading to a decrease in housing prices. Homelessness in Cali is already at epidemic proportion. Possibly why Gov. Brown & Co. want more illegal immigrants to keep that demand up and prevent a crash. Frankly I predict a crash.

They have such a record of success in California, how can you doubt them ?

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I wonder what municipalities/legislature will do when they stop getting massive amounts of sales taxes from electric bills?

What do you think the electric cars are going to do to the gas tax income? They're going to tax the living **** out of electric cars once they realize they aren't getting gas tax money from those people.
 
What do you think the electric cars are going to do to the gas tax income? They're going to tax the living **** out of electric cars once they realize they aren't getting gas tax money from those people.

A few states are already talking about a mileage tax if people conserve too much gas.
 
A few states are already talking about a mileage tax if people conserve too much gas.

Which in California would REALLY **** over everyone because we are a web of interconnected freeways. A large percentage of people commute to where they work 50+ miles due to the cost of housing. This would be disastrous.
 
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