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Suck It Tomlin Haters! Suck It Down And Swallow Every Drop!! "TOMILIN RATED NEAR TOP"

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Wow so all you have to do to be a top tier coach is:
-Go 8-8 in consecutive years
-Consistently come out flat and lose against the league's worst teams multiple times a year
-Not sustain winning effort across a whole season (either start flat or end flat)
-Have multiple draft classes flame out entirely leaving no one left on the roster just a mere few years later. Including a first round BUST at the most important position on the defense who may single-handedly cost us games this year
-Take a team loaded with Pro Bowl/future HOF talent and infuse your own influence over drafting and development until your only non-WR draftee worth a damn is busted for weed the day of a preseason game
 
Damn, I'm ready for the season to start so we can see whether:

a) this years team is better than the last two
b) improvement or lack thereof is significant
c) Tomlin keeps his job at the end of the season
1) if he does, because of a good/great season will there be less complaining or more
2) if he does and the season is average or below, will heads explode or will there be a mass drinking of tainted kool-aid
d) Colbert (see Tomlin above, although he doesn't get nearly as much credit as he deserves for recent draft classes)
 
Wow so all you have to do to be a top tier coach is:
-Go 8-8 in consecutive years
-Consistently come out flat and lose against the league's worst teams multiple times a year
-Not sustain winning effort across a whole season (either start flat or end flat)
-Have multiple draft classes flame out entirely leaving no one left on the roster just a mere few years later. Including a first round BUST at the most important position on the defense who may single-handedly cost us games this year
-Take a team loaded with Pro Bowl/future HOF talent and infuse your own influence over drafting and development until your only non-WR draftee worth a damn is busted for weed the day of a preseason game

This- 'we lose against bad teams' argument is so weak. Anyone can lose against ANYONE- which is why we say 'on any given Sunday'.

The important thing is that you win the majority of your games. Which Tomlin, and few others, have done.

2nd, the team may have had some disappointing picks- but please tell me which are the bust? Also, it sounds like you should be more concerned with the Colbert than Mike. Is MT responsible for locking guys up before their contract years?

So stop pretending that any drafted player still not on the team = bust. It means the FO dropped the ball...
 
So stop pretending that any drafted player still not on the team = bust. It means the FO dropped the ball...

Well, there was that Urbik guy and a few others that were drafted here and released as rookies that have went on to be decent players we could have used for depth, and depth is one of our primary weaknesses right now. Those guys cut in camp are coaching decisions.
 
Just crazy that you finally get an article praising someone in the Steeler's orginization-

And instead of saying:

'Great!' or

"Im not a huge fan, but maybe he's not as bad as I think'

You have people literally mad that a person in their organization is considered good at their role (by insiders, mind you).
 
Well, there was that Urbik guy and a few others that were drafted here and released as rookies that have went on to be decent players we could have used for depth, and depth is one of our primary weaknesses right now. Those guys cut in camp are coaching decisions.

Urbik certainly would have been helpful for depth. So that is definitely on Tomlin.

But im thinking something more substantial, like trying to tie up Keenan
 
I see your point. It's just that in my mind, it's not a Tomlin thing or a Colbert thing. I believe it's a Tomlin AND Colbert thing. My personal belief is that Colbert (and the scouting department) doesn't get enough of the "credit" for the quality of players drafted recently. It's like some people believe Tomlin scouts the players on his own and then sits in the war room by himself making the picks and Colbert just sits back with a big dumb sloppy smile on his face.

No, talent evaluation is on both of them. That said, maybe this team would be better with some type of shake up where one or the other was no longer a member of the organization.
 
And by different, you mean less talented? A prime Ben is in the same league as a prime Brees/Brady/Manning/Rodgers? Hell naw. Because if you can say Tomlin only looked good because he had 'Cowhers' players, you can certainly say that Ben is only in the HOF discussion because of his defense.

I think you're a little too deeply invested in what ESPN has to tell you. That or you're just bowing at the altar of yardage stats.

Watch a playoff game, then tell me how superior those guys are to Ben. The others have also won absolutely nothing without defensive help.
 
jdell:

Installing a satellite dish on top of your trailer does not make you an ATHLETE you TOOL.
 
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Just crazy that you finally get an article praising someone in the Steeler's orginization-

And instead of saying:

'Great!' or

"Im not a huge fan, but maybe he's not as bad as I think'

You have people literally mad that a person in their organization is considered good at their role (by insiders, mind you).

Except "Hey here is an article praising someone in the Steeler's orginization" is not exactly how the article was presented now, was it?

No, quite the contrary, it was basically **** YOU *******!!!! **** you all to HELL!!! Suck It Tomlin Haters! Suck It Down And Swallow Every Drop!! "TOMILIN RATED NEAR TOP"

Do you really think that the thoughts espoused by the OP lead to the type of discussion that you are espousing?
 
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Super funny!!!!!!!!!

Breh, trust me- this board has been poisoned by insufferable curmudgeons.

I mean what type of person sits around all day bitching and moaning about the team that you supposedly are a fan of? Half of the posters dont even discuss football and the other half are as objective as a vegetable.

If you check out 'other' Steeler boards, you see that not all fans have sand up their Vi-jay-jays.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Bigappleyinzer again.
 
BigApple, first off the article stated that Tomlin was among the least respected coaches in the league. The scores went from 1 to 5 with 5 being the TOP score and he received 28 scores of 1 or 2. This is reiterated several times in the article so it is likely NOT a typo. In fact we are later told that Tomlin received nine scores of 1. That means he got nineteen 2s. It is stated VERY CLEARLY that the top score is 5 so there's no way to misinterpret how Tomlin actually did in the poll. More likely the author is purposefully misleading the readers and trying to (cleverly) make it appear that Tomlin is highly respected. Careful reading shows otherwise. The only OTHER option is that the author and his or her editor is completely incompetent.

I gave Tomlin a few years. I was a lenient as I could be but the simple fact is, he never improves. It's been covered in the thread. He doesn't make in-game adjustments. He doesn't have the players prepared for opponents ahead of the game. He has NEVER drafted a dominant player. There hasn't been ONE single player drafted during Tomlin's tenure (And I know Tomlin isn't the only guy behind the draft,) who has even been particularly impressive much less dominant. Wallace may have come right when Tomlin got here or right at the end of Cowher's tenure, I can't remember. Sanders was Ok. Brown is fine but he's not Jerry Rice, is he? Pouncey spends more time injured than anything else and as a center he's slightly better than average. DeCastro's most devastating block was to Pouncey. I won't even START talking about our defensive picks. There's not one of them worth typing about. (Sorry guys. I know you're trying.) I get that those rookie sensation players that step in and dominate are rare, but we haven't seen one of those guys for years and years. People like to say that Troy sucked his first year, but that just wasn't true. He was raw, but he didn't suck. He was undisciplined but he wasn't awful.

And then you look at Tomlin's time management, his inability to deal with player discipline, (for God's sake our two main RB's were getting frickin STONED on the way to the airport. Who's in charge Mike?) his inability to motivate players or communicate with the media beyond the most ridiculous metaphors and catch-prhases. "We're gonna turn over stones." We're going to unleash hell." At least Cowher simply said, "It is what it is." Or he just glared at the reporters.

As for Cowher's last season, pretty much everyone here was irritated and felt he was mailing it in. We WERE frothing at the mouth and bitching up a blue streak. Later when we found out that his wife was diagnosed and dying of cancer we felt like shitheels, probably like you do now... The fact is though, there's really only two teams in this division. Aside from a rare act of mercy from God above the Bengals and Browns are atrocious. That leaves us and the Ravens. Admittedly the Ravens are tough. They're going to bring it every time we play them and THEY get it that there's only two teams in the division. As much a dick as Harbaugh is he realizes all they have to do is beat Cinci, Cleveland and us in Baltimore and they probably pretty much have the division sewn up because sooner or later Tomlin is going to "turn over stones."

He's going to fail to plan for some game and refuse to take into account that our offensive line can't handle defensive end X or our linebackers are completely mismatched against the Patriots tight ends. So, when the game starts getting completely out of hand, rather than sitting down at half time and coming up with some kind of solution, he'll doggedly roll out the same damn game plan that utterly failed in the first half and somehow assume things will work better. OR let's look at scenario two - imagine that the Steelers offense has done a GREAT job in the first half but the opponent goes and does something all ******-up like making adjustments at halftime. Rather than going to his coordinators and telling them to change stuff up, Mike will just sit there on the sideline with a confused-as-**** look on his face as the game slips away utterly baffled as to why the offense failed to execute in the second half.

(Just more stones in need of overturning...)

And finally, JDell, I did competitive theater for 3 years in high school and won state three times in three different events. So I'm absolutely certain I could ACT like a better athlete than you ever were. Therefore I believe I can say with complete authority that your motivation is all wrong here.
 
You know, its interesting or just coincidental that the coaches rated above Tomlin all have won/participated in a Super Bowl. One of the coaches is a proven cheater/liar, one was involved in a bounty scandal, another villified but still managed to win two SBs but missed the playoffs in between (his teams fan base is split down the middle for wanting him fired/retained). Another breaks rules (recently fined by the NFL) and has a roster full of PED users. And finally one, Reid, who's just a nice all around lovable guy who dealt with tragedy and gave Vick another shot to resume his lifes work.

Not bad company. Annnnnd, i think im Okay with Tomlin..........
 
Wig, you may want to go back and re-read that article. It says clearly that Tomlin is rated 6th out of all coaches. Behind only Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, Sean Peyton, Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin ... now, if those guys are at the bottom, then yeah, so is Tomlin. What does it mean?
Absolutely nothing. Just opinions.
 
Wig, you may want to go back and re-read that article. It says clearly that Tomlin is rated 6th out of all coaches. Behind only Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, Sean Peyton, Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin ... now, if those guys are at the bottom, then yeah, so is Tomlin. What does it mean?
Absolutely nothing. Just opinions.
So those are the best 6 coaches in the nfl. We need those athlete posters on here to jump up and go get some of those high paying jobs. Seems to me that there should be better coaches than that in the nfl.
 
I don't care what anyone says jim harbaugh is the best coach in the league
 
Except "Hey here is an article praising someone in the Steeler's orginization" is not exactly how the article was presented now, was it?

No, quite the contrary, it was basically **** YOU *******!!!! **** you all to HELL!!! Suck It Tomlin Haters! Suck It Down And Swallow Every Drop!! "TOMILIN RATED NEAR TOP"

Do you really think that the thoughts espoused by the OP lead to the type of discussion that you are espousing?

Oh please, spare me the false outrage.

This board is sick with traitors. People who root for us to lose just so they can say "I told you so!" about Tomlin.

And it only takes a cursory perusal of God & Government to know EXACTLY why he's so hated.
 
I don't care what anyone says - the last advice I would ever take is from some faggity *** wrestler that never played football.

Everybody in the gym would diddle and grope their girlfriends after Strawberry Hill shots under the bleachers while the wrasslers groped sweaty boys

ha ha
 
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