Tariffs

[Steelmann]

Here’s a past article before Trumps first term. A little history. When of course he put even higher tariffs. There are multiple US has collected billions in Tariffs.

OCTOBER 13, 2016

Growing U.S. protectionism threatens Canada’s forestry industry​

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A tentative deal between Canada and the United States on softwood lumber expired at midnight on Oct. 12.

The ongoing softwood lumber war between Canada and the U.S. is largely due to American economic protectionism, or more precisely, American lumber interests. This is about American lumber companies upset about Canada’s growing market share in the U.S. market.

Looking at the two major candidates for the presidency, it appears that the trending protectionist mentality is unlikely to change and could have major negative repercussions in Canada’s already-ailing forest industry.

With a rebounding housing market, the U.S. is heavily dependent on the Canadian forest industry. After the temporary deal expired, some sources say the U.S. may file a petition to impose duties on Canadian lumber.

In the early 2000s, the U.S. imposed a combined duty of 27.22 per cent and within months 15,000 workers in B.C. alone were let go. That province, as well as Ontario and Quebec, are particularly affected by this ongoing dispute.

The last softwood lumber deal ended in 2015 but was granted a one-year extension until it expired earlier this week. The extension was really about postponing litigation and not about true resolution of outstanding issues.

The essence of the American argument is that because most Canadian forests (outside the Maritimes) are provincially-owned Crown lands, and American forests are privately-held, this allows Canadian forest producers to sell their lumber at a lower price, thereby undercutting U.S. producers. The Americans allege this amounts to an unfair subsidy. The U.S. has collected billions of dollars from duties imposed on Canadian lumber. The duty acts as a tax on exported Canadian lumber.

The problem is this argument falls flat when subject to scrutiny. The U.S. was unsuccessful when the claim was made before the World Trade Organization (WTO). Earlier in the dispute, a binational panel found that the U.S. Department of Commerce’s allegations of unfair subsidization were not supported with substantial evidence. In March 2006, a NAFTA panel also found in Canada’s favour.

The dispute also led to changes in the way Crown timber harvests were auctioned off, so more market pricing was introduced into the Canadian system.

Canada can certainly challenge the duties, as they have done and won before NAFTA panels and the WTO, but the U.S. can still collect duties while the challenges wind their way through the system.

The U.S. can save all of that by hammering out a long-term deal with Canada that ends the allegations of illegal subsidies. The U.S. Department of Commerce should take a stand for real free trade between the two countries, and not just speak on behalf of wealthy lumber interests.

But, both Republican candidate Donald Trump and Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton have given very negative signs regarding their commitment to free trade between the two countries. Both are ripping into NAFTA and attacking global trade deals, which may eventually re-ignite a trade war and threaten many good Canadian forestry jobs in economically challenged regions.
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So when the US starts drilling in Parks ,mines on Federal Lands, etc, will you also claim Protection?

 

[Steelmann]

The thing I find the most comical in all this is that whenever Trump says something it is always claimed to be false, yet a few weeks or months later it is proven to actually have been true. Kind of like when newspapers are required to write an apology for falsely reporting it is always buried in page 234.

If you are referring to my post what exactly do you find comical? Claimed to be false? I put out proof that what he said is absolute bull ****. It came from your own state department. Your own Census Bureau. What more can I say.
And this is what he based slapping tariffs on us from.
Wasn’t too long ago Trump was screaming bloody murder at all the “Fake News”. Now it’s just an every day occurrence.

Do you even realize how much Canada buys from your fruit,vegetable and dairy industry tariff free? It’s outlined above. Good lord man. It’s a fortune,and we are 1/10th of your population. I would think your farmers can’t be too happy.

I have always kept my snout out of this type of conversation. It is after all your country,your government. But when your President comes on and says a 100 times how he’s going to annex Canada and make it A 51st state I get my back up.

If some new president elect came on and talked this **** to you guys,you’d be talking about dropping nukes.

 

[MT~Forged]

If you are referring to my post what exactly do you find comical? Claimed to be false? I put out proof that what he said is absolute bull ****. It came from your own state department. Your own Census Bureau. What more can I say.

No, that was not directed at you, it was more of a general observation.

The questions I posed to you in a later post were a reply to one of your posts.

And this is what he based slapping tariffs on us from.
Wasn’t too long ago Trump was screaming bloody murder at all the “Fake News”. Now it’s just an every day occurrence.

Yeah, I agree that he does talk a lot of shyte, and most of it isn’t really productive in the least.

Do you even realize how much Canada buys from your fruit,vegetable and dairy industry tariff free? It’s outlined above. Good lord man. It’s a fortune,and we are 1/10th of your population. I would think your farmers can’t be too happy.

If protectionist tariffs are ok for Canada, why aren’t they ok for the US? The ones you referenced were “cherry” picked, but there are still others not mentioned. BTW, I am not in favor of tariffs or import limits for any allied trading partners. If Canada got rid of 100% of their tariffs, import limits and subsidization of industries to lower costs, I would be in complete agreement that we do the same.

I do agree that Canada is at the mercy of American producers to an extent, but that really has more to do with your inability to feed yourselves. We also have some of those same issues when dealing with Mexico.

I have always kept my snout out of this type of conversation. It is after all your country,your government. But when your President comes on and says a 100 times how he’s going to annex Canada and make it A 51st state I get my back up.

You, just like our Democrats put way too much emphasis on what HE SAYS, instead of what he ACTUALLY DOES. He says all kinds of stupid things to get an EMOTIONAL response because it weakens his opponents position, and you morons fall for it every time. Talk doesn’t matter in the slightest, try waiting and reacting to HIS ACTIONS.

I do have a number of freinds and extended family that live in Alberta and Saskatchewan that would love to become the next US State/s. They are completely fed up with the policies of your French ******** back east, as well as the lunatics in BC. Kind of how I feel living in WA State. Honestly, I think many of the real problems we have could be solved with a merger of Canada, Mexico and the US of A Into one HUGE North American country.

If some new president elect came on and talked this **** to you guys,you’d be talking about dropping nukes.

Again, talk means nothing. Actions show true character, just like we have seen from those that suffer from TDS.

I do think most of his rhetoric is to try and get Canadians to throw out yor current ruling party so he can try and work with rational people

 

[Ron Burgundy]

ABC News this morning is apoplectic about the tariffs. Conveniently ignoring the tariffs that other countries put on our products.

 

[IndySteel]

Check out this list of countries that have been ******* us for decades, their tariffs vs. ours. We are still getting ******.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/02/trump-reciprocal-tariffs-countries-chart-imports-united-states.html

 

[xjx]

Ross Perot warned of offshore manufacturing. He was right. To get it to come back will be very difficult and expensive.

Biden brought higher costs because of inflation. Trump brings higher cost due to a higher cost of trade.

America will be a very expensive place to live.

 

[Superman]

guy i'm associated with on Fascistbook posted this...



saying Trump is trying to impose a tariff on something illegal.

except, of course, Fentanyl isnt an illegal drug. it's used for cancer patients. but, whatever Trump does is purely evil.

 

[Djfan]

guy i'm associated with on Fascistbook posted this...

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saying Trump is trying to impose a tariff on something illegal.

except, of course, Fentanyl isnt an illegal drug. it's used for cancer patients. but, whatever Trump does is purely evil.

He posts this stuff on the Telegram app a lot. You can follow him faster there than on Truth Social.

 

[Superman]

He posts this stuff on the Telegram app a lot. You can follow him faster there than on Truth Social.

i just wait for my lib friends to post his ****. then i do some googling to see what they're upset about this time.

 

[Confluence]

guy i'm associated with on Fascistbook posted this...

View attachment 14162

saying Trump is trying to impose a tariff on something illegal.

except, of course, Fentanyl isnt an illegal drug. it's used for cancer patients. but, whatever Trump does is purely evil.

Can someone please show where the data demonstrates that large amounts of fentanyl are getting into the US via Canada is? Every source I've seen talks about 1 guy with about 40lbs that got caught.

Do you actually believe that the net flow of illicit drugs, of all kinds, is greater from Canada to the US, or would it be more likely that some of the huge amount of illicit drugs that the entire world aims at the largest illicit market in the world -- the US -- actually slides north into Canada?

 

[Confluence]

It might be more productive to look at the American companies that have greatly benefitted from cheap imports to sell to Americans wanting/needing lower prices on food/consumer goods.

Some of those publicly traded names are getting slaughtered today, and will suffer greatly because their forward costs will be much, much higher. So they go broke and close, or pass along higher costs to their customers. If those customers need that product, they will pay more for it, and have less money to buy something else.......

Here you go:

https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/losers/

Of course, this doesn't really matter to those wealthy enough not to notice.

 

[Superman]

Can someone please show where the data demonstrates that large amounts of fentanyl are getting into the US via Canada is? Every source I've seen talks about 1 guy with about 40lbs that got caught.

Do you actually believe that the net flow of illicit drugs, of all kinds, is greater from Canada to the US, or would it be more likely that some of the huge amount of illicit drugs that the entire world aims at the largest illicit market in the world -- the US -- actually slides north into Canada?

I think it's a bit weird that we're focusing so much on fentanyl coming over from Canada, when, like you said, there hasn't been much reported in that regard.
could it be under reporting or not being taken seriously? genuinely unsure, as you asked.

 

[IndySteel]

Genius Trump Tricks Democrats Into Hating Taxes
Politics·Apr 3, 2025 · BabylonBee.com

Chip Somodevilla, Shutterstock.com​

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Americans are celebrating today after the genius President Trump imposed taxes on imports, instantly tricking Democrats into hating taxes.

Studies now show that 98% of Democrats say they hate taxes after hearing that Trump is for them, shocking political analysts.

"We hate taxes now! Taxes are fascism!" said several paid Democrat protestors holding "STOP TRUMP'S TARIFFS' signs outside the White House. "We won't rest until all these oppressive taxes have been eliminated from our lives completely!"

"Democrats have played right into my hands because they're suckers and I'm so much smarter than them," said Trump to reporters. "Now, we can get rid of taxes and the Democrats will think they've won, because they're losers and their brains are smaller than mine, which is big. I have a big brain."

High-profile Democratic lawmakers such as Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Adam Schiff have banded together to sponsor a new bill called the "Eliminate All Taxes Forever Bill" in hopes of striking a devastating blow to Trump's tariff plan. "We must not let this dictator tax our country into economic ruin," said Pelosi. "My multimillion-dollar stock portfolio might not survive."

At publishing time, Democrats had announced support for taxes once again after Trump negotiated with some foreign countries and lifted them.

 

[Steelmann]

No, that was not directed at you, it was more of a general observation.

The questions I posed to you in a later post were a reply to one of your posts.

Yeah, I agree that he does talk a lot of shyte, and most of it isn’t really productive in the least.

If protectionist tariffs are ok for Canada, why aren’t they ok for the US? The ones you referenced were “cherry” picked, but there are still others not mentioned. BTW, I am not in favor of tariffs or import limits for any allied trading partners. If Canada got rid of 100% of their tariffs, import limits and subsidization of industries to lower costs, I would be in complete agreement that we do the same.

I do agree that Canada is at the mercy of American producers to an extent, but that really has more to do with your inability to feed yourselves. We also have some of those same issues when dealing with Mexico.

You, just like our Democrats put way too much emphasis on what HE SAYS, instead of what he ACTUALLY DOES. He says all kinds of stupid things to get an EMOTIONAL response because it weakens his opponents position, and you morons fall for it every time. Talk doesn’t matter in the slightest, try waiting and reacting to HIS ACTIONS.

I do have a number of freinds and extended family that live in Alberta and Saskatchewan that would love to become the next US State/s. They are completely fed up with the policies of your French ******** back east, as well as the lunatics in BC. Kind of how I feel living in WA State. Honestly, I think many of the real problems we have could be solved with a merger of Canada, Mexico and the US of A Into one HUGE North American country.


Again, talk means nothing. Actions show true character, just like we have seen from those that suffer from TDS.

I do think most of his rhetoric is to try and get Canadians to throw out yor current ruling party so he can try and work with rational people

Yes, the U.S. government provides subsidies to various industries, including energy and pharmaceuticals, which can indirectly contribute to lower costs for some consumers and businesses, but also have complex implications.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Energy Subsidies:
  The U.S. has a history of government intervention in energy markets, with numerous subsidies in the tax code to promote or subsidize the production of fossil fuels. These subsidies, some dating back a century, aim to ensure cheap and abundant energy, which benefits businesses and consumers.
  
  
• Pharmaceutical Subsidies:
  The U.S. government funds a significant portion of biomedical research through the National Institutes of Health (NIH), contributing to the development of drugs and treatments. This funding can lead to lower costs for some drugs, but also contributes to high drug prices in the U.S. compared to other countries.
  
  
• Indirect Subsidies:
  The U.S. government's inability to negotiate drug prices with pharmaceutical companies, unlike many other nations, can lead to higher drug prices in the U.S., which in turn can lead to lower prices in other countries.
  
  
• Other Industries:
  While the focus is often on energy and pharmaceuticals, subsidies also exist in other sectors, such as agriculture, manufacturing, and transportation, aimed at promoting economic growth and competitiveness.
  
  
• Complex Impacts:
  These subsidies can have complex and sometimes unintended consequences, including distorting markets, benefiting certain industries disproportionately, and potentially leading to higher costs for some consumers in the long run.
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• Good God Man. The US subsidies industry left and right. I could bring up a thousand pages. And you complain when another country does? I don’t blame any country for helping their farmers. Including yours.
• Cherry picked? Did you even read that article? The part that says tariff free? Did you not see the formula?
• wow a couple friends…lol. Yes…they surely are the sentiments of the Country. Good God man.
• While we are 75% self reliant on food,obviously fruit and vegetables are the items. I am sure there are many countries out there that will gladly trade with us,without threats and insults everyday.
• I could go on and on here,but it will fall on deaf ears. Comparing me to a Democrat? You don’t know me worth ****.
  But I sure as **** am starting to know you. Merge Canada,Mexico US into one? Gee I wonder who you would want as the leader. Hmmmm….i wonder…would you be ripping up your constitution for this new “Huge North American country “.
• Above you were talking about protectionist industry. Why don’t you try and see what your own government protects. Or do I have to show you that too? Everyone does it.
• 
  
• You think it’s part of his “rhetoric to throw out your current ruling party”. So you think now it’s just fine to interfere in another country election. Hmmmm….it doesn’t seem that long ago when the **** hit the fan if there was talks about Russians doing the same thing.
• You or someone above said the “we are on our own “type of sentence. If someone invaded you tomorrow,not that you would need us…….Canada would have been by your side within hours. As the thousands upon thousands of perished and injured Canadian soldiers can attest to,having fought beside American troops in solidarity on numerous occasions.
  Just like we are the first to bring in firefighters,fire bombers,volunteers,supplies etc,etc,etc on any natural disaster or attack like 9/11.
• 
  
• “Lunatics in BC”. “Rational People”. Interesting to see how you believe in treating your countries closest friend. Let’s just take them over.
  
  

 

[Booted]

Yes, the U.S. government provides subsidies to various industries, including energy and pharmaceuticals, which can indirectly contribute to lower costs for some consumers and businesses, but also have complex implications.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Energy Subsidies:
  The U.S. has a history of government intervention in energy markets, with numerous subsidies in the tax code to promote or subsidize the production of fossil fuels. These subsidies, some dating back a century, aim to ensure cheap and abundant energy, which benefits businesses and consumers.
  
  
• Pharmaceutical Subsidies:
  The U.S. government funds a significant portion of biomedical research through the National Institutes of Health (NIH), contributing to the development of drugs and treatments. This funding can lead to lower costs for some drugs, but also contributes to high drug prices in the U.S. compared to other countries.
  
  
• Indirect Subsidies:
  The U.S. government's inability to negotiate drug prices with pharmaceutical companies, unlike many other nations, can lead to higher drug prices in the U.S., which in turn can lead to lower prices in other countries.
  
  
• Other Industries:
  While the focus is often on energy and pharmaceuticals, subsidies also exist in other sectors, such as agriculture, manufacturing, and transportation, aimed at promoting economic growth and competitiveness.
  
  
• Complex Impacts:
  These subsidies can have complex and sometimes unintended consequences, including distorting markets, benefiting certain industries disproportionately, and potentially leading to higher costs for some consumers in the long run.
• ——————————————————————————————————————————————+-+—-+
• Good God Man. The US subsidies industry left and right. I could bring up a thousand pages. And you complain when another country does? I don’t blame any country for helping their farmers. Including yours.
• Cherry picked? Did you even read that article? The part that says tariff free? Did you not see the formula?
• wow a couple friends…lol. Yes…they surely are the sentiments of the Country. Good God man.
• While we are 75% self reliant on food,obviously fruit and vegetables are the items. I am sure there are many countries out there that will gladly trade with us,without threats and insults everyday.
• I could go on and on here,but it will fall on deaf ears. Comparing me to a Democrat? You don’t know me worth ****.
  But I sure as **** am starting to know you. Merge Canada,Mexico US into one? Gee I wonder who you would want as the leader. Hmmmm….i wonder…would you be ripping up your constitution for this new “Huge North American country “.
• Above you were talking about protectionist industry. Why don’t you try and see what your own government protects. Or do I have to show you that too? Everyone does it.
• 
  
• You think it’s part of his “rhetoric to throw out your current ruling party”. So you think now it’s just fine to interfere in another country election. Hmmmm….it doesn’t seem that long ago when the **** hit the fan if there was talks about Russians doing the same thing.
• You or someone above said the “we are on our own “type of sentence. If someone invaded you tomorrow,not that you would need us…….Canada would have been by your side within hours. As the thousands upon thousands of perished and injured Canadian soldiers can attest to,having fought beside American troops in solidarity on numerous occasions.
  Just like we are the first to bring in firefighters,fire bombers,volunteers,supplies etc,etc,etc on any natural disaster or attack like 9/11.
• 
  
• “Lunatics in BC”. “Rational People”. Interesting to see how you believe in treating your countries closest friend. Let’s just take them over.
  

You should stop wasting your time on this nonsense. Instead, you should be directing your efforts to learning the words to the United States of America's National Anthem. Remember to remove your hat when singing. Make us proud.

 

[MT~Forged]

Yes, the U.S. government provides subsidies to various industries, including energy and pharmaceuticals, which can indirectly contribute to lower costs for some consumers and businesses, but also have complex implications.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Energy Subsidies:
  The U.S. has a history of government intervention in energy markets, with numerous subsidies in the tax code to promote or subsidize the production of fossil fuels. These subsidies, some dating back a century, aim to ensure cheap and abundant energy, which benefits businesses and consumers.

Yes they have and are propping up industries that should have been allowed fail over time.

• Pharmaceutical Subsidies:
  The U.S. government funds a significant portion of biomedical research through the National Institutes of Health (NIH), contributing to the development of drugs and treatments. This funding can lead to lower costs for some drugs, but also contributes to high drug prices in the U.S. compared to other countries.

The problem with this is that Taxpayers are funding the research and then the private companies are reaping the financial windfalls from said medical breakthroughs. If the Taxpayers fund research, then they should also own the profits since they are already on the hook for the losses. Differing pricing is a whole different issue

• Indirect Subsidies:
  The U.S. government's inability to negotiate drug prices with pharmaceutical companies, unlike many other nations, can lead to higher drug prices in the U.S., which in turn can lead to lower prices in other countries.

This is a result of the corruption involved in our government. The creation of levels of distribution was done solely to enrich politicians and their donors at the expense of consumers.

• Other Industries:
  While the focus is often on energy and pharmaceuticals, subsidies also exist in other sectors, such as agriculture, manufacturing, and transportation, aimed at promoting economic growth and competitiveness.

Again, artificially propping up industries that should have been forced to evolve of die off.

• Complex Impacts:
  These subsidies can have complex and sometimes unintended consequences, including distorting markets, benefiting certain industries disproportionately, and potentially leading to higher costs for some consumers in the long run.

Most every instance was actually an intended outcome, it allows for corruption to flourish

• ——————————————————————————————————————————————+-+—-+
• Good God Man. The US subsidies industry left and right. I could bring up a thousand pages. And you complain when another country does? I don’t blame any country for helping their farmers. Including yours.

I do happen to oppose subsidizing ANY MARKET. if they can't stand on their own then we really don't need them.

• Cherry picked? Did you even read that article? The part that says tariff free? Did you not see the formula?

I read your article, and as I said some of the stats were cherry picked as well as others were omitted completely. I fully expect that from any media source as they are ALL BIASED and never give the complete non-misleading truth. Your side, our side, all of them are only trying to further their agendas.

• wow a couple friends…lol. Yes…they surely are the sentiments of the Country. Good God man.

Definitely more than a "couple" but yes less than a million. These people also have many friends and relatives who talk to others. Your Country is as divided as this one south of you. Failure to accept that is a big part of all these problems. I do believe that if EACH providence were to be allowed to vote for the right to choose to be aligned with your French Masters or the US, I am sure that at least 2, maybe even 3 of them would choose differently than you think or wish.

• While we are 75% self reliant on food,obviously fruit and vegetables are the items. I am sure there are many countries out there that will gladly trade with us,without threats and insults everyday.

Then by all means go trade with them. The reason you aren't doing that already is because it is in your Country's best interest not to. If it were cheaper, you know that they would, but currently it isn't because of the current structure.

• I could go on and on here,but it will fall on deaf ears. Comparing me to a Democrat? You don’t know me worth ****.

I didn't compare you to a Democrat, I said you are overreacting to things just like our Democrats do. Don't feel alone in that, many non Democrats here do the same thing. It is possible for many different groups to react the same way without sharing the same belief system.

I Have gotten a different outlook on some things through the info you have supplied though. Not that my opinion has changed much, but I did find out a few things that I didn't know previously.

• But I sure as **** am starting to know you. Merge Canada,Mexico US into one? Gee I wonder who you would want as the leader. Hmmmm….i wonder…would you be ripping up your constitution for this new “Huge North American country “.

From you own words I don't think you really are starting to know me. I do think that this is MUCH more difficult to do over the internet though. Misinterpretation is the most difficult issue to deal with. It is also harder to do from a confrontational position.

Actually I am sure all three countries have things that they could bring to the table. I do happen to believe that 75% of our Constitution is better than what Mexico and Canada currently enjoy. It would be a golden opportunity to reset things while bringing new ideas to the table. As far as who should lead, well that is what voting is for. Maybe the best person comes from Canada, maybe even Mexico. I'm not sure that that would be the case in the early years as neither country currently enjoys all the freedoms that we have here and that shapes their CURRENT outlook. As the years went by that would surely change.

• Above you were talking about protectionist industry. Why don’t you try and see what your own government protects. Or do I have to show you that too? Everyone does it.

I agree, but I am only for it as a reaction to what another is doing. You eliminate all your protectionist policies, I am for doing the same.

 

[MT~Forged]

• You think it’s part of his “rhetoric to throw out your current ruling party”. So you think now it’s just fine to interfere in another country election. Hmmmm….it doesn’t seem that long ago when the **** hit the fan if there was talks about Russians doing the same thing.

Every country throughout history has interfered with any election. I am not one of those that claims that the US doesn't already do that now. I was a pawn a number of times used to influence elections. Philippines, Burma, Kuwait, Iraq, El Salvador just to name a few. What Trump seems to me to be doing is just showing Canadians what to expect going forward with re-electing your French Masters. The choice is still yours, but the current direction is going to be confrontational going forward. Other directions look to be more positive. Again, this is just MY OPINION, you obviously don't see things the same.

• You or someone above said the “we are on our own “type of sentence. If someone invaded you tomorrow, not that you would need us…….Canada would have been by your side within hours. As the thousands upon thousands of perished and injured Canadian soldiers can attest to,having fought beside American troops in solidarity on numerous occasions.
  Just like we are the first to bring in firefighters,fire bombers,volunteers,supplies etc,etc,etc on any natural disaster or attack like 9/11.

I agree that in some/most cases your country has been a good friend to have next door, but we still don't have a 100% harmonious existence. Things could be much better for both if only a segment of each country's population was relegated to the "Children's Table" where they were to be seen but not heard. Historically we have done just as much for Canada in different areas. But real friends don't keep score.

• “Lunatics in BC”. “Rational People”. Interesting to see how you believe in treating your countries closest friend. Let’s just take them over.

"Lunatics in BC" - That group is as bad for your country as are the Liberals we have here. Tax and spend, tax and spend then tax again.
"Rational People" - That group of people that tend to be more center leaning and willing to actually discuss things like adults. Not necessarily all likeminded but at least respectful enough that can get things accomplished without all the childish name calling and fit throwing when they don't get their way 100% of the time.

I hold my real friends to a certain standard in life. While we all have our differences, we do agree on at least 75% of things and are adult enough to not ruin said friendships over our differences. I have loaned and borrowed things from some of my friends without strings attached. But if I ever needed something for them and they attached strings to help, I would be just a tad upset and not likely to help them in the future.

At NO TIME have I ever advocated for "Taking Over" anyone Allied with the US because we have different views of things.

I do have some beliefs of what allies should do and not do though.

1. We should be trading fairly with each other.
2. We should not be enriching those countries not allied with us.
3. We should not be overwhelmingly supplying AND paying for the defense of allied countries.
4. Allied countries should NEVER allow land and companies to be owned by non-allied countries. If a company or individuals choose to invest and/or do business with non-allied countries they do so at their own risk and we will not defend their poor choices and any imports will be subject to a relatively high tariff for choosing greed over support of their own countries

 

[Confluence]

Yes they have and are propping up industries that should have been allowed fail over time.


The problem with this is that Taxpayers are funding the research and then the private companies are reaping the financial windfalls from said medical breakthroughs. If the Taxpayers fund research, then they should also own the profits since they are already on the hook for the losses. Differing pricing is a whole different issue

This is a result of the corruption involved in our government. The creation of levels of distribution was done solely to enrich politicians and their donors at the expense of consumers.


Again, artificially propping up industries that should have been forced to evolve of die off.


Most every instance was actually an intended outcome, it allows for corruption to flourish

I do happen to oppose subsidizing ANY MARKET. if they can't stand on their own then we really don't need them.

I read your article, and as I said some of the stats were cherry picked as well as others were omitted completely. I fully expect that from any media source as they are ALL BIASED and never give the complete non-misleading truth. Your side, our side, all of them are only trying to further their agendas.

Definitely more than a "couple" but yes less than a million. These people also have many friends and relatives who talk to others. Your Country is as divided as this one south of you. Failure to accept that is a big part of all these problems. I do believe that if EACH providence were to be allowed to vote for the right to choose to be aligned with your French Masters or the US, I am sure that at least 2, maybe even 3 of them would choose differently than you think or wish.

Then by all means go trade with them. The reason you aren't doing that already is because it is in your Country's best interest not to. If it were cheaper, you know that they would, but currently it isn't because of the current structure.

I didn't compare you to a Democrat, I said you are overreacting to things just like our Democrats do. Don't feel alone in that, many non Democrats here do the same thing. It is possible for many different groups to react the same way without sharing the same belief system.

I Have gotten a different outlook on some things through the info you have supplied though. Not that my opinion has changed much, but I did find out a few things that I didn't know previously.

From you own words I don't think you really are starting to know me. I do think that this is MUCH more difficult to do over the internet though. Misinterpretation is the most difficult issue to deal with. It is also harder to do from a confrontational position.

Actually I am sure all three countries have things that they could bring to the table. I do happen to believe that 75% of our Constitution is better than what Mexico and Canada currently enjoy. It would be a golden opportunity to reset things while bringing new ideas to the table. As far as who should lead, well that is what voting is for. Maybe the best person comes from Canada, maybe even Mexico. I'm not sure that that would be the case in the early years as neither country currently enjoys all the freedoms that we have here and that shapes their CURRENT outlook. As the years went by that would surely change.


I agree, but I am only for it as a reaction to what another is doing. You eliminate all your protectionist policies, I am for doing the same.

Are you aware that Trump 45 ripped up the North American Free Trade Agreement from the 90s, then happily signed onto his USMCA deal, which he is now critical of? And using an arcane law to tariff Canada by blaming Canada for fentanyl without any factual evidence?
Bluster aside, this is banana republic dictator shiit, right?

 

[DBS1970]

Interesting comments. “Other countries “. Has American companies not benefited hugely with child slave labor? Do you think this will stop?

Can you name any companies operating any factories in the USA with children under 10 paid a pittance and kept as virtual slaves like they do in China? If not keep your ****-holster shut.

 

[Confluence]

Every country throughout history has interfered with any election. I am not one of those that claims that the US doesn't already do that now. I was a pawn a number of times used to influence elections. Philippines, Burma, Kuwait, Iraq, El Salvador just to name a few. What Trump seems to me to be doing is just showing Canadians what to expect going forward with re-electing your French Masters. The choice is still yours, but the current direction is going to be confrontational going forward. Other directions look to be more positive. Again, this is just MY OPINION, you obviously don't see things the same.

I agree that in some/most cases your country has been a good friend to have next door, but we still don't have a 100% harmonious existence. Things could be much better for both if only a segment of each country's population was relegated to the "Children's Table" where they were to be seen but not heard. Historically we have done just as much for Canada in different areas. But real friends don't keep score.

"Lunatics in BC" - That group is as bad for your country as are the Liberals we have here. Tax and spend, tax and spend then tax again.
"Rational People" - That group of people that tend to be more center leaning and willing to actually discuss things like adults. Not necessarily all likeminded but at least respectful enough that can get things accomplished without all the childish name calling and fit throwing when they don't get their way 100% of the time.

I hold my real friends to a certain standard in life. While we all have our differences, we do agree on at least 75% of things and are adult enough to not ruin said friendships over our differences. I have loaned and borrowed things from some of my friends without strings attached. But if I ever needed something for them and they attached strings to help, I would be just a tad upset and not likely to help them in the future.

At NO TIME have I ever advocated for "Taking Over" anyone Allied with the US because we have different views of things.

I do have some beliefs of what allies should do and not do though.

1. We should be trading fairly with each other.
2. We should not be enriching those countries not allied with us.
3. We should not be overwhelmingly supplying AND paying for the defense of allied countries.
4. Allied countries should NEVER allow land and companies to be owned by non-allied countries. If a company or individuals choose to invest and/or do business with non-allied countries they do so at their own risk and we will not defend their poor choices and any imports will be subject to a relatively high tariff for choosing greed over support of their own countries

ummmm......it was a guy called Nixon that went to China. China owns a fuuck ton more assets in the US (real estate, farmland, companies, US Treasuries, etc) than they do in Canada. You ought to look up this delta. It's well over 100:1

We literally have an existing Free Trade Agreement written by Trump 45! You could ask Google about it.

BC politicians have long been like your California/Oregon/Washington morons. I think they are all entitled idiots, but cannot tell the difference between the Canadian political asshats on the Left Coast from the American political asshats on the same Left Coast. Except that the American asshats seem to have dug an even deeper hole for their constituents, although the dummies in Victoria are digging even faster now.

Has Canada, or Mexico for that matter, ever asked the US for military help? I think Grenada and Nicarauga have done so in the past, but I am unaware of the US supplying and/or paying for the defense of Canada.........and if Canada did need military assistance, why would that be? A vassal state might reasonably expect armed conflict on its land before the Homeland would become engaged with hostiles.....I think this is what NORAD is for. The NORAD Agreement has been around for a very long time. Can you please indicate the American spending here?

It is great to be engaging in debate and information sharing. We can all probably agree that governments are the problem, and that producing an untrue narrative is likely to lead to poor outcomes.

 

[MT~Forged]

Are you aware that Trump 45 ripped up the North American Free Trade Agreement from the 90s, then happily signed onto his USMCA deal, which he is now critical of? And using an arcane law to tariff Canada by blaming Canada for fentanyl without any factual evidence?
Bluster aside, this is banana republic dictator shiit, right?

Yes, I am aware that he directed a new negotiation to replace the 90 NAFTA agreement. Some of the things turned out better for the US, some less so. I also think he deserves to change his opinion based on the actual resulting outcomes, as does anyone else.

I do agree that his blaming Canada for a huge part of the Fentanyl issue is bullshyte, but it is being done to sensationalize the issue. Same with his claims of the "Murderers" crossing the Southern border. I don't agree with doing this, and I would do things differently, But I don't have the job.

"A banana republic is a country with an economy of state capitalism, where the country is operated as a private commercial enterprise for the exclusive profit of the ruling class. Such exploitation is enabled by collusion between the state and favored economic monopolies, in which the profit, derived from the private exploitation of public lands, is private property, while the debts incurred thereby are the financial responsibility of the public treasury. Such an imbalanced economy remains limited by the uneven economic development of town and country and usually reduces the national currency into devalued banknotes (paper money), thereby rendering the country ineligible for international development credit."

While I agree with you on the US being perceived as a Banana Republic, based on the above description, even though the facts don't totally match the definition completely.

I have to disagree with the "Dictator" description.

I do not view Trump as a Dictator due to him voluntarily leaving office after his election loss in 2020. Yes, he seemed to believe that his loss was a result of shenanigans in the election process and used court challenges to try and change the results. This was 100% within his rights to do so, as would it be yours in the same situation. It was accepted to be Al Gore's right when he challenged the "Hanging Chads" in Florida in an attempt to change that outcome.

At no time did I see any "Dictator" moves made, and I have seen them made firsthand in the Philippines, Burma, and El Salvador. Interpretation of things that happened, to support an agenda doesn't mean the same thing. Now it is possible that you could end up being correct going forward, but I subscribe to the "innocent until PROVEN guilty" position and will wait and see. I don't think you will turn out to be right, because of past actions, but we will see. Will you be here to publicly apologize if it turns out that you are wrong? Did you apologize last time or just continue to repeat the bullshyte the media continuously made up?

 

[MT~Forged]

Can you name any companies operating any factories in the USA with children under 10 paid a pittance and kept as virtual slaves like they do in China? If not keep your ****-holster shut.

In his defense, I don't think he was implying that happened in America. I believe he was alluding to American companies benefiting from this happening with the association of overseas manufacturing. I also believe you knew this too.

 

[MT~Forged]

ummmm......it was a guy called Nixon that went to China. China owns a fuuck ton more assets in the US (real estate, farmland, companies, US Treasuries, etc) than they do in Canada. You ought to look up this delta. It's well over 100:1

OH, I AGREE. I have also stated that I am 100% against the ownership of said items by enemies of our country

We literally have an existing Free Trade Agreement written by Trump 45! You could ask Google about it.

I have researched this and have found that while it is being touted around as a "Free Trade Agreement" by anti-Trump groups, there are a number of anti free trade allowances within that same agreement.

BC politicians have long been like your California/Oregon/Washington morons. I think they are all entitled idiots, but cannot tell the difference between the Canadian political asshats on the Left Coast from the American political asshats on the same Left Coast. Except that the American asshats seem to have dug an even deeper hole for their constituents, although the dummies in Victoria are digging even faster now.

My point exactly, though you worded it better.

Has Canada, or Mexico for that matter, ever asked the US for military help? I think Grenada and Nicarauga have done so in the past, but I am unaware of the US supplying and/or paying for the defense of Canada.........and if Canada did need military assistance, why would that be? A vassal state might reasonably expect armed conflict on its land before the Homeland would become engaged with hostiles.....I think this is what NORAD is for. The NORAD Agreement has been around for a very long time. Can you please indicate the American spending here?

Not all expenditures are made directly. Canada benefits from their proximity to the US, as well as the military expenditures made by the US. As for the last time Mexico needed help, it was when they lost a huge part of their territory to the US, helping them at that time would have been counterproductive.

It is great to be engaging in debate and information sharing. We can all probably agree that governments are the problem, and that producing an untrue narrative is likely to lead to poor outcomes.

Agreed

 

[Confluence]

OH, I AGREE. I have also stated that I am 100% against the ownership of said items by enemies of our country

I have researched this and have found that while it is being touted around as a "Free Trade Agreement" by anti-Trump groups, there are a number of anti free trade allowances within that same agreement.

My point exactly, though you worded it better.

Not all expenditures are made directly. Canada benefits from their proximity to the US, as well as the military expenditures made by the US. As for the last time Mexico needed help, it was when they lost a huge part of their territory to the US, helping them at that time would have been counterproductive.

Agreed

Canada exports oil and electricity to the US at below market prices, and that very good deal is the part that was both negotiated by Trump 45 and goes hand-in-glove with mutual defense, mutual respect and mutual benefit.

Canada's leadership has been even worse over the past decade than the US's experience, and we have much work to do to regain the lost jobs and wealth, but Canada is still the very best trading partner, ally and friend of the US.

If Trump doesn't know this, he is plain ignorant. If he does know this, than his strategy that begins with him raising the stick, then displaying his lack factual basis, is a very strange negotiating/leverage technique. Very colonial, eh?

 

[JMM]

So we're putting tariffs on countries who put tariffs on us a long time ago? Is that correct?

If so,,,why didn't we go apeshit over them putting tariffs on us at the time?

Do I have the premise right? If not, dumb it down for me because I'm just a step above cro magnon. I do have an opposable thumb which allows me to text as opposed to my dog, who doesn't,,,but you knew that already, right? He can bark to speech though. He's got a two track mind...Food and squirrels..