- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 16,087
- Reaction score
- 14,547
- Points
- 113
- Location
- Lebanon, OH (Near Kings Island)
Listen to it yourself.Pelosi Sounds Like Trump
Tariffs
- Thread starter Confluence
- Start date
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 16,087
- Reaction score
- 14,547
- Points
- 113
- Location
- Lebanon, OH (Near Kings Island)
It isn't strictly about tariffs it is also about non-tariff trade restrictions that have the same or similar effect.
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2014
- Messages
- 21,657
- Reaction score
- 24,457
- Points
- 113
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 9,971
- Reaction score
- 13,345
- Points
- 113
Great, show those "same or similar effects", please.
It would be helpful to the understanding of everyone, eh!
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 9,971
- Reaction score
- 13,345
- Points
- 113
Exactly. Who negotiated USMCA? Lol
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2014
- Messages
- 7,076
- Reaction score
- 7,183
- Points
- 113
Dumb IzzAss Canuckistani,
That was the best he could get last time with congress full of Rinos and under democrat control. He is renegotiating with control of both houses of congress and the ability to play hardball.
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 9,971
- Reaction score
- 13,345
- Points
- 113
Yup.
Autopact in 1965. Canada's Lester B Pearson and LBJ signed, of their free will.
Americans immediately began complaining, in spite of the auto trade skyrocketing.
In 1986, the CUSFTA (Canada US Free Trade Agreement) was signed by Reagan and Mulroney, moving free trade well beyond autos beginning in 1989.
Just a couple years later, Bush the Elder brought in Mexico (why?), and the NAFTA agreement was signed by him, Mulroney and Carlos Salinas. This came into effect in 1994.
On Nov 30, 2018, TRUMP, Trudeau and Pena Nieto all signed the USMCA agreement, which came into effect on July 1, 2020. This agreement's key provisions were:
Improved rules of origin for automobiles, trucks, and other products.
Disciplines on currency manipulation.
Modernization and strengthening of food and agriculture trade.
New protections for U.S. intellectual property.
The pact also requires 70 percent of a vehicle's steel and aluminum to originate in North America, with steel being both melted and poured on the continent.
For the first time, the new agreement also mandates that 40 to 45 percent of the parts for any tariff-free vehicle must come from a so-called high-wage factory.
Are you suggesting that that the succession of weak American leaders from LBJ, Reagan, Bush and Trump all got their American ***** whooped by
Canadians and then Mexicans, each time?
It's kinda weird that the strong and mighty US were the ones that cried and needed new agreements each time.......were they bad negotiators, bad at understanding economics or did they just get beat, every time, by the smarter Canadians and Mexicans?
Not really. Partly most American politicians are ignorant of economics, partly they are afraid of criticism from other countries and the media, and partly they get bribed by other countries and multinational corporations.
As we see the way President Trump is attacked for putting America first.
Luckily Trump DGAF.
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 9,971
- Reaction score
- 13,345
- Points
- 113
Lol. So LBJ, Reagan, Bush the Elder and Trump 45 all made bad deals on behalf of the US?
Which trade deal, ever, signed by the US, was good for the US......or have all your POTUSes lost each and every time?
I just don't not understand the present stance of Trump 47 that the US has always been fuucked, like a cheap *****, and is somehow still the greatest economy the world has ever known.
That just does not square.
Don't forget Clinton. NAFTA looked good on paper but in practice it didn't work out so well for us.
Our economy was good enough to withstand a lot of **** but it's been getting worse over the last 20 years so it's time to reverse course and look out for ourselves first.
Historically other countries have had higher tariffs on our stuff than we do on theirs.
Granted. the left will scream against anything Trump, but I believe (hope) that this tariff thing will end up biting them. The talk is all about a recession and I agree, if the tariffs continue, that is a real possibility. But it's a negotiating tool and I read this morning that the USGA (?) is reporting that over 50 countries want to negotiate. If that's true, the pain that the media forecasts for all of us may short lived and a false narrative. Fingers crossed.
One down.
Israel and Taiwan are on board as well with zero tariffs.
The last on board (China?) may end up the loser.
The last on board (China?) may end up the loser.
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 16,087
- Reaction score
- 14,547
- Points
- 113
- Location
- Lebanon, OH (Near Kings Island)
Trade barriers between the US and Canada include:
"International Trade Administration+2
- Sanitary and Phytosanitary Barriers: Restrictions on U.S. Seeds Exports
- Digital Trade Barriers: Data Localization
- Services Barriers: Telecommunications
- Investment Barriers
- High tariffs for certain products
- Restrictions on selling to the government of the country
- Import licensing requirements
- Anti-dumping and countervailing duty measures
- Product bans
- Any quarantine measures for agricultural products"
Hell, Canada has a serious issue right now with trade barriers between its own provinces. You want to get rid of the tariffs open up actual free trade.
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 9,971
- Reaction score
- 13,345
- Points
- 113
All countries have sanitary and phytosanitary restrictions for products, ingredients and living things crossing into their country. This is a sovereign security issue, not a trade barrier
No idea what this means
That is not trade related. Foreign ownership of Canadian telecommunications is limited to 20% by law; this is a sovereignty issue, not trade.
How is the Nippon Steel purchase of US Steel going?
Which? I asked for an example, not an AI generated list of items that mostly are not relevant.
Do you mean like defense spending?
Same as sanitary&phyosanitary rules; these things exist between all countries, except in the EU.
Please provide an example from the Canadian side that is being actively used; the US just did this for Steel, aluminum and lumber.
Yep. Canada does not allow certain poisonous ingredients in food in Canada. It is shameful that the US allows its own people to be unknowing consumers of carcinogenic ingredients.
Same as sanitary&phytosanitary and import licensing.....this AI list is a generally low quality effort; repetitive, generalized and wrong.
This is by far your best point is truly an issue and has truly been an issue my entire life. It is truly fuucking amazing that Canadians, right now, have free trade with the US -- as negotiated by TRUMP in 2018 -- and have greater interprovincial barriers. That being said, that is internally fuucked up and has no bearing on the existing free trade with the US. Just like our having an effeminate soyboy for Prime Minister is embarrassing as heell, but at least he whopped Trump on Trumps own USMCA, eh.
Surely there are trade organizations throughout the US talking up how good the tariff/sanctions are with the troublesome Canadians.....where are they?
Last edited:
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 9,971
- Reaction score
- 13,345
- Points
- 113
W's dad did NAFTA, bringing the Mexicans into Reagan's US/Canada deal. Slick Willy did some handshakes as it took effect in 94, but he did little else, thankfully.
Since the US has been suffering so badly in economic terms, and Canada deserves all these new tariffs because of the previous self ***-raping that TRUMP 45 did with his USMCA from 2018, can you please explain this popular Canadian chart ( it's election time here) wrt your comments?
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 9,971
- Reaction score
- 13,345
- Points
- 113
This is the correct response
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 5,759
- Reaction score
- 6,481
- Points
- 113
I wouldn’t even take China’s call for 6 months. Negotiations with China right now wouldn’t allow them to feel the real pain they will experience. Negotiations now just change things slightly, 6 months from now China will be begging to pay to do business with us again.
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 5,759
- Reaction score
- 6,481
- Points
- 113
I think what is getting lost in all this is that Trump wanted to make radical changes the first time around. Where he erred was that he tried to make those changes from within with the “help” of those who opposed him every step of the way. He realized that he was going to have to scale that back if he wanted any chance to be re-elected, and signed the deal knowing it was not what he wanted, but slightly better than previous deals.
NOW, Trump finally sees how things work in politics and he has no re-election worries. He's not going to scale anything back this time. He is also FINALLY bringing in outsiders to assist him in making these much needed radical changes. He isn’t concerned with what other countries think. His knows that America is the largest market in the world and without being able to sell into it companies will suffer and the countries they operate in will too. He is putting a boot on every country’s neck, he is NOT trying to be fair, and he is not apologizing for it either. He is OPERATING from a position of exceeding strength, but will compromise to an equal position.
This is where Trump and myself differ, I don’t think he is going far enough. I would not accept any phone calls or changes for 6 months, just so these countries can start to feel how badly they need to be in America’s good graces. When I did take their calls they would be told they will eliminate EVERY opposition to trade with America AND they will pay a fee of 10% of the values (WE DETERMINE) of goods exported to America as a fee to do business here. The companies will not pay this, their country will pay the cumulative total. If they want to shake down those companies at home, I don’t care.
The latest that I heard, as of last week, from someone high up at corporate was that Nippon will invest and it will become a joint venture. Still called U.S. Steel and still headquartered in Pittsburgh.
It appears that the Eastern European countries that got away from Communism and don't let in illegal immigrants (Hi Tibs) are doing well and the Western Socialist countries are not.
George H.W. Boosh and Bill Clinton agreed on NAFTA so we were getting that regardless who won that election.
Ross Perot came across as a crackpot but he ended up being right.