I think he is playing very well and has been sturdy. Overall he wasn't even terribly over drafted for the amount of decent to good snaps he has played. Problem us there will always be a cap wealthy team willing to way over pay for a guy like him from a team like the Steelers.
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That's why NOW would be the perfect time to trade our HC, value is high and we could have intern (yes intern) fill in till season's end.
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I don't think Santa is putting that in my stocking.
I also think Hypothetically if both parties were willing they would get a high first round from one of the ****** franchises. He wouldn't be worth it but they would get it. Maybe more.
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Tremaine Edmunds market value is about 14 mil per year, Sutton 7 mil, Terrel Edmunds 5 mil. Steelers could likely afford that with just restructures to Watt and Heyward.
They are also likely to drop Jackson and Trubisky.
They are also likely to drop Jackson and Trubisky.
Couple things to unpack. I don't know Edmunds Market value but I think 5 is low. Sutton at 7-10 I could buy. Jackson has to be completely redone or he is gone for sure. I'm not sure how much cheaper you could go then Trubisky at backup QB? Restructuring Heyward and Watt just kicks more down the road to when they can't play. Heyward is 20 million next year.
Sutton will probably be more expensive than 7 million… I think he will probably cost out between 8-10. You cant just look at sporttrac guestimates in a bubble. Suttons versatile portfolio has him pretty highly ranked in the ufa cb rankings … he’ll go higher than market value stat compilations.
Edmunds at 5 is reasonable,… but you aren’t getting his brother here… you can cut WJ3 to finance resigning Cam Sutton… but if you cut Trabisky, you only save 8 million and look at the comparables for any vet backup… at best you are dumping 6-7 back into another qb…
And we certainly will push money out, but you can’t push all the money out and handicap us for years… tge D doesn’t need more high priced players.. it needs guys on first contracts playing good football… we absolutely shouldn’t be getting another high priced free agent there … we just can’t afford it
This sounds more like what I'm thinking. If Edmunds is 5 million per year.on a long term I'd run to put that contract together.
At best? There are only 5 backup quarterbacks making 6 million or more this year, and that includes Mitch at $7.14. Flacco and Foles are in the 3s. Ironically, Mason Rudolph is the 7th highest paid at $5.08.
I think the Steelers keep Trubisky, but for different reasons. Because he adds enough value as a starter -- KP's two early concussions could become problematic.
Right but the other thing to remember in restructuring deals is you are sort of limited on how you push money out by years… yeah we can move some of Heywards money into 2024, but that’s going to be a huge cap hit in 24 doing that… we Will basically put ourselves in cap hell pretty quickly doing that kind of stuff just to target high priced free agents…
Mitch was not brought in as a backup this year. The question is if you bring in someone for say 5 what are you saving? 3. Rudolph made 5 dressing one game. God this team is mismanaged. Between him and Jackson that's 8 for one of them to dress one game. Wow.
Couldn't agree with you more. I've been saying it for years.
No, Mitch was not brought in to be a backup, but he's being paid like one. And he is currently a backup who happens to be starting because of injury. I've got no problem with his cap hit next year. I like the guy, and I think he's worth his contract.
Trubisky and Pickett combined in 2023 will have a cap number of around $14.5 million, just a few mill higher than the $10.34 in dead cap Ben cost the Steelers in 2022 while being retired. That burden won't be there next year.
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This is the newish FO’s 1st real offseason with no Colbert lurking anymore.
There are a million ways to massage the cap and clear up $30-50 million with a couple pen strokes…teams do it all the time. Just a matter of how far down the road ya wanna kick your problems.
Something could happen differently than we’re accustomed to
It will be tough to give Heyward anywhere near 20 million in a year from now on another contract. His age will be a huge factor and he is slowing down. He is still playing at a high level but at his age, I don't know in 2 years. Hopefully, they can work something out but 15-20 million cap hit would be tough to swallow when he can be done at any time. His deal would have to include many easy outs for the Steelers without huge dead money cap hits.
Here is the problem as I see it. Heyward would be absolutely essential to being competitive next year and absolutely a detriment to the long game. But Tomlin plays to be competitive every year so they will restructure his contract AGAIN and he will end up being ghost money. Some people here like this philosophy and just want to be competitive all the time. I'd prefer they got house in order get better through draft. Clean coaching staff out and strike when time is right.
No brainer…re-sign him…
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The problem with kicking the can down the road and paying for past performance stems from an organization that is loyal to a fault…that fault also gets ya coaches like Shades long past his time of competitive relevance
At some point ya gotta tear a house down to the studs and remodel. I’m with ya that being actually relevant and putting together a resurgence would be much better than circling in the dangerously average cycle we’ve been in for years, and years, and years
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Some “studs” need to go as well.
If you bring in an entire NEW coaching staff, some players need to let go as well. One of those players is Deonte Johnson, an outright “firing” (via trade valu) would definitely put the rest of the team on NOTICE.
Reality is Coach Tomlin currently isn’t going anywhere. His staff will remain in tack with a slight burp.
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Unless someone offers a 1st rounder and then some, I don't see how you can trade him with CAIII being an unknown due to injury and only Pickens as a true starter though still raw. Muth, who tends to be injured too, would be the other receiver and that's it, no more targets for your young QB. Even though DJ does this kind of stupid **** he still is our #1 receiver and runs routes like the best in the NFL.
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My example was an extreme, something would have to happen if a whole new coaching staff was brought in. Johnson would be an EXAMPLE player gone to re-establish locker room culture and winning persona. More players would be gone as well, especially the lower tier.
Character would have to be majorly established.
I’m not the expert but a realist on how to change the culture somehow. I feel a drastic action would be needed.
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Exactly you are already down a slot WR. So you essentially would need two WRs if DJ was shipped off.
Better to ship off the weak links. And upgrade them in free agency and the draft. Green,Bush, bring in competition at LT, and G. Get a third pass rushing OLBer and find a number 1 corner. Upgrade NT.
Makes a lot of sense. I don't think loyalty is really the issue though.
I think main issue is wanting the facade of being competitive every year. When Cowher was coaching you wouod really see ebb and flow. But they were never really down long, players walked and were replaced with good drafts. Under Tomlin they seem to try to be good every year. Which means kick your mega contracts down tge road to sign key FAs from the team. Which to me is poor management that leads to mediocrity.
DJ has already set the single-season NFL record for receptions without a touchdown by a wide receiver (77 and counting). Only James Wilder (85 in 1984) and Roger Craig (81 in 1986), both running backs, remain ahead of him overall in that dubious category. Scoring is kind of important.
Heyward, at 34, you do not restructure. Too long in the tooth.
Restructure Minkah and free up $10 mil.