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The Coronavirus thread

Yeah I think there was a middle ground from doing nothing like the F word to closing the world down for the C word.

An example I thought of. Schools. So each tier of school has what 3-4 grades. So let’s say (thinking for my kid) Monday is grade 5. All children go into the large auditorium/cafeteria where they are distanced accordingly. Proper masks worn. All teachers of said grade work together and teach. Next day is 4th. Weds is deep clean. And so on. It’s something.

Restaurants/bars. Similar model. Bar closed. Only tables. Every 3rd is open for people. Proper PPE.

I think a model like this could apply to most biz.

This would be unrealistic. You have kids coughing / sneezing / touching seats and what not all day. the virus will still be "alive" on those surfaces. As for bars and restaurants you cant wear proper PPE while eating / drinking. I Just dont think there any good answers. Luckily in my nursing home we have not had cases, but my GFs went from 1 to 15 cases in a week along with 20+ staff out either with it or in quarantine. That side of the building only has 45 residents and they basically have no staff on that side now. CNAs have to do housekeeping / maint / laundry because everyone is either sick or quit. Agency is not letting staffing come into the building and the home offered $54 / hr to agency staff. They offered my GF a $10 / hr hazardous pay raise to move offer there and she is still thinking it over. All the residents are suffering its just not possible for the CNAs to give them proper care. I am sure the country will recover and i am fine with the steps we are taking at this point.
 
what are those theories?

Democrats used to extol, "If it saves just one life."

After attempting to impeach the President, after attempting to "Russia" the President, after stating the moment they elected the President they would immediately begin to impeach him....they realized that only the economy tanking would give them a chance to remove him. Many openly and blatantly have wished for a recession so they can remove Trump. Both politicians and the MSM have wished for a recession so they have a chance in the election. They know they have no viable candidate. So they must tarnish him.

Now you have a virus that hits the world.

The MSM and the Democrats previously turned a hurricane - Katrina - into Bush's fault. Blamed the man for the people that died. Used it for political gain. Destroyed him over it.

It's pretty apparent that they are milking this epidemic and they are calling for every shut down measure possible, supporting the shut downs and I believe are eager to see the job losses and the hit to the economy. They want the disaster so they can elect a Dem. They will blame Trump for every thing negative associated with it. Watch the pressers. Watch the entrapment questions they lob, one after the other, attempting to ensnare the man into saying something dumb. It's blatantly obvious.

No, they didn't cause the virus. No, it's not a conspiracy. But by God they are blaming Trump for every single thing they can related to it. Hoping it serves an end to a means, replacing him. Thus every one of these deaths is far more important than an elderly person succumbing to the flu, cancer, diabetes, etc. Trump killed them. Because he didn't do enough to stop CV19.
 
i don't trust anybody in this situation. It seems everybody is working an angle, including the CDC. The CDC is going to use this to blow up their budget and gain more influence. You have all these Doctors running to cameras to see who can paint the best doomesday picture all hoping they land permanent TV gigs.

You also see in this why Libs are so eager to take over healthcare. Just look at how easily you control people with it.

These experts are now positioned so that no matter what happens, they will claim they were right. Huge death totals and they were right. Low death totals and they will claim that was only because of the lockdown and it would have been the end of the world if it hadn't been done.

On a side note, with so much reduced traffic on the ground and air, surely we will see huge positive change in the climate, right? You know, since all those cars and plane and factories are causing climate change. With them all closed, we should absolutely see a huge difference.
 
Democrats used to extol, "If it saves just one life."

After attempting to impeach the President, after attempting to "Russia" the President, after stating the moment they elected the President they would immediately begin to impeach him....they realized that only the economy tanking would give them a chance to remove him. Many openly and blatantly have wished for a recession so they can remove Trump. Both politicians and the MSM have wished for a recession so they have a chance in the election. They know they have no viable candidate. So they must tarnish him.

Now you have a virus that hits the world.

The MSM and the Democrats previously turned a hurricane - Katrina - into Bush's fault. Blamed the man for the people that died. Used it for political gain. Destroyed him over it.

It's pretty apparent that they are milking this epidemic and they are calling for every shut down measure possible, supporting the shut downs and I believe are eager to see the job losses and the hit to the economy. They want the disaster so they can elect a Dem. They will blame Trump for every thing negative associated with it. Watch the pressers. Watch the entrapment questions they lob, one after the other, attempting to ensnare the man into saying something dumb. It's blatantly obvious.

No, they didn't cause the virus. No, it's not a conspiracy. But by God they are blaming Trump for every single thing they can related to it. Hoping it serves an end to a means, replacing him. Thus every one of these deaths is far more important than an elderly person succumbing to the flu, cancer, diabetes, etc. Trump killed them. Because he didn't do enough to stop CV19.

The Top 10 Lies About President Trump’s Response to the Coronavirus

It’s troubling to see how quickly disinformation about the government’s response to the coronavirus has spread. Democrats and the mainstream media have willingly spread false information in the hopes of damaging Trump politically before the election in November. Many of these lies were quickly debunked, but that hasn’t stopped the false information from being repeated over and over. The left hopes these lies will continue to spread, but so far it doesn’t seem to be working since Trump’s approval numbers for his handling of the pandemic have gone up. But that doesn’t mean the left will give up their disinformation campaign. To help set the record straight, I’ve compiled the top ten lies that have been spread about Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic. There are certainly plenty more, and you are welcome to mention them in the comments.

10. Trump downplayed the mortality rate of the coronavirus

In early March, the World Health Organization said that 3.4 percent of coronavirus patients had died from the disease. “Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 (the disease spread by the virus) cases have died,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a briefing. “By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.”

Trump said this number was false, as the mortality rate was actually much less because their number didn’t take into account unreported cases. In an interview with Sean Hannity on March 4, Trump challenged WHO’s number. “Well, I think the 3.4% is really a false number,” Trump said, asserting that the actual mortality rate is “way under 1 percent.”

And Trump was right. He wasn’t downplaying the mortality rate, as has been suggested. As testing in the United States has increased, the mortality rate has decreased. The same is true worldwide.

Yet, there were so-called experts who greatly overestimated the mortality rate in order to spark fear and panic. MSNBC contributor Dr. Joseph Fair told a panel that up to 20 percent of the U.S. population might die from the coronavirus.

9. Trump lied when he said Google was developing a national coronavirus website

When President Trump declared the coronavirus a national emergency, he announced that Google was developing a website to direct people to coronavirus testing locations nationwide.

"I want to thank Google. Google is helping to develop a website, it’s going to be very quickly done, unlike websites of the past, to determine whether a test is warranted and to facilitate testing at a nearby convenient location," Trump said during a press conference.

Google confirmed this in a tweet after Trump’s remarks, but the media seemed intent on calling Trump’s claim false. HuffPost literally called Trump’s claim a lie because the site was actually being developed by a subsidiary of Google’s parent company, Alphabet. This ultimately forced Google to confirm, again, that they were partnering with the federal government to develop a national coronavirus website. “Google is partnering with the US Government in developing a nationwide website that includes information about COVID-19 symptoms, risk and testing information,” Google said on Twitter.

After Google backed up Trump, he thanked them and ripped the media for spreading fake news. "I want to thank the people at Google and Google communications because as you know they substantiated what I said on Friday," Trump said. "The head of Google, who is a great gentleman, called us and he apologized. I don't know where the press got their fake news, but they got it someplace. As you know, this is from Google. They put out a release and you guys can figure it out yourselves and how that got out. And I'm sure you guys will apologize, but it would be great if we could get really give the news correctly. It'd be so, so wonderful."

8. Trump "dissolved" the WH pandemic response office

Two days after Trump declared the coronavirus a national emergency, the Washington Post ran an opinion piece by Elizabeth Cameron, who ran the White House pandemic office under Obama, alleging that Trump had dissolved the office in 2018. She claimed because of this, “the federal government’s slow response to the coronavirus isn’t a surprise.”

This claim spread like wildfire, even though it was completely false. Days after WaPo ran the piece, they published another article by Tim Morrison, former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the National Security Council, who debunked the allegation made by Cameron and other former Obama administration officials.

Direct, factual refutation of claim that the President disbanded his pandemic response team by the NSC official who led the biodefense mission.

The falsehood was widely reported and even stated as a fact by an NBC reporter in a question to the President. https://t.co/qTwfTfD0Mf
— John Noonan (@noonanjo) March 16, 2020

What good is there in spreading false information, as Elizabeth Cameron did? “This is Washington. It’s an election year,” Morrison laments. “Officials out of power want back into power after November. But the middle of a worldwide health emergency is not the time to be making tendentious accusations.”

7. Trump ignored early intel briefings on possible pandemic

The Washington Post again was the source of another bogus claim when they reported that intelligence agencies warned about a possible pandemic back in January and February and that Trump “failed to take action that might have slowed the spread of the pathogen.”

It was fake news. The Trump administration had begun aggressively addressing the coronavirus threat immediately after China reported the discovery of the coronavirus to the World Health Organization. In addition to implementing various precautionary travel restrictions, the administration fast-tracked the use of testing kits, set up a Coronavirus Task Force, and implemented a travel ban with China, several weeks before WHO declared the coronavirus a pandemic.

In actuality, it was Trump’s critics who weren’t taking the coronavirus situation seriously. Joe Biden even accused Trump of “fearmongering” and “xenophobia” for his travel ban. Even now, the Washington Post is suggesting the travel ban wasn’t enough.

6. Trump cut funding to the CDC & NIH

Back in February both Joe Biden and Mike Bloomberg (who hadn’t dropped out of the Democratic primary yet) accused President Trump of cutting funding to critical health agencies during a primary debate. “There’s nobody here to figure out what the hell we should be doing. And he’s defunded — he’s defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need. This is a very serious thing," Bloomberg claimed.

The Obama-Biden administration "increased the budget of the CDC. We increased the NIH budget. ... He’s wiped all that out. ... He cut the funding for the entire effort," Biden claimed.

They were both wrong.

According to an Associated Press fact-check, proposed budget cuts never happened, and funding increased. They acknowledged that some public health experts believe that a bigger concern than White House budgets “is the steady erosion of a CDC grant program for state and local public health emergency preparedness,” but, they note, “that decline was set in motion by a congressional budget measure that predates Trump.”

The AP also noted that “The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation — regardless of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans were put into place in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease.”


5. Trump "muzzled" Dr. Fauci

In late February, the New York Times claimed that the Trump administration had “muzzled” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), by preventing him from speaking publicly about the coronavirus without approval from the administration.

It wasn’t true. But, the claim was echoed throughout the mainstream media, and ultimately was brought up in a press briefing, and Trump was asked directly about it, and he let Dr. Fauci clear it up.

“I’ve never been muzzled, ever, and I’ve been doing this since Reagan,” he said. “I’m not being muzzled by this administration.”

Despite the fact this claim was debunked, Joe Biden kept repeating it as if it were true. “And, look, right now you have this president, hasn’t allowed his scientists to speak, number one,” Biden said on ABC's This Week a couple days after Fauci said unequivocally he wasn’t being muzzled. “He has the vice president speaking, not the scientists who know what they're talking about, like Fauci."

Joe Biden just touted the debunked talking point that President Trump had muzzled Doctor Fauci form discussing the coronavirus.

This is what Fauci had to say about that claim yesterday:

"I’ve never been muzzled ever and I’ve been doing this since...Reagan."

ROLL THE TAPE! pic.twitter.com/1HAcLl3qes
— Francis Brennan (Text TRUMP to 88022) (@FrancisBrennan) March 1, 2020

4. Trump didn’t act quickly and isn’t doing enough

If you listen to Democrats, Trump didn’t act quickly enough and is botching the government response. Joe Biden has tried to perpetuate this falsehood by giving press briefings telling Trump what he should be doing.

The big problem with that is that when Biden has offered his own plan, he simply took things that Trump had already done, said he should do those things, and pretended they were his own ideas.

In addition to this, one of the most significant actions taken by Trump, the travel ban with China, was actually opposed by Joe Biden, and Trump’s critics on the left. Unfortunately for them, WHO experts admitted Trump’s actions saved lives in the United States.

Fox News contributor Liz Peek noted back in February, “Even before a single case of the virus erupted organically in our country [...] and even as the administration had acted preemptively and effectively to keep virus carriers out of our country, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg and others were eager to stoke fear and blame Donald Trump.”

Dr. Ronny Jackson, who served as White House physician from 2013 to 2018, also credited Trump for his decisive response to the coronavirus epidemic. "The president has done everything he needed to do in this case," he said. "He’s acted quickly and decisively. He did what he always has done ... he went with his instincts."

Jackson added, "What’s going on in Italy and Iran is not going to happen here I think, because of the president's quick and decisive actions. I think we are going to be more in line with what’s going on in South Korea and things of that nature.”

3. Trump told governors they were “on their own”

In a tweet sent last week, New York Times editorial board member Mara Gay claimed that during a conference call with governors about the coronavirus pandemic, President Trump told them they were “on their own” in getting the equipment they need. “‘Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,’ Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call, a recording of which was shared with The New York Times.”

She lied. Ms. Gay deliberately misrepresented Trump’s words. Trump actually told governors on the call: “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves. We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

The false narrative that Trump had told governors they were on their own, essentially to expect no help from the federal government, spread like wildfire.



2. Trump turned down testing kits from WHO


A Politico hit piece from early March claimed that the World Health Organization offered the United States coronavirus testing kits, but Trump refused to accept them. This claim spread quickly, and Joe Biden even alluded to it during his March 15 debate with Bernie Sanders, claiming, “The World Health Organization offered the testing kits that they have available and to give it to us now. We refused them. We did not want to buy them.”

It wasn’t true. "No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States," WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris explained. "This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity." According to WHO, its priority was to send testing kits to "countries with the weakest health systems."

So, why did testing get off to a slow start in the United States? Ellie Bufkin at our sister site Townhall noted that “Testing in the United States was fraught with difficulty in large part due to the slow approval by the Food and Drug Administration to allow testing kits developed by private companies outside of the government-controlled CDC to be used at a local or national level. Those FDA policies are consistent with the Obama Administration's response to H1N1 and Ebola in 2009 and 2014 respectively.”

1. Trump called the coronavirus “a hoax”

To this day the left (and the media) claim Trump called the coronavirus a hoax. He said no such thing. While the country was distracted by impeachment, the Trump administration was busy addressing the coronavirus outbreak, taking various measures to limit the spread of the virus in the United States. Impeachment quickly faded, so they decided to aggressively politicize his response to the coronavirus outbreak. Joe Biden even called Trump’s travel ban with China an overreaction, and accused him of trying to scare the public. “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia ± hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

President Trump responded to these allegations during a rally in South Carolina, calling the Democrats’ politicization of the coronavirus "the new hoax." The media jumped on this line, claiming that Trump called the virus, not the Democrats' reactions to it, a hoax. The lie spread like wildfire and Joe Biden even used the lie as a talking point on the stump. There was quite a stir when Politico’s story repeating the false claim that Trump called the virus a hoax was flagged by Facebook fact-checkers as fake news, but other fact-checkers couldn’t deny that the claim was false either.
 
The length of it is the great unknown. I thought I had answered them at least to a degree. Look I am sorry but the it is hard to tell with the tone you seem to take about this so I apologize yes I was assuming incorrectly that you while you are abiding by the shutdown you disagreed with it. It is a little hard to tell with the tone. Trog being who he is would have an even tougher time figuring it out. I will admit my mistake on that. I was Social Sciences/ Political Sciences guy in college. I get those studies on the effects of unemployment but I don't know if they correlate directly to a situation like this. It will be an important case study to do as we are in fairly uncharted territory with this type of sudden unexpected and hopefully short term unemployment. You could be right or we could also see something entirely different considering the circumstances. I am bit of an optimist by nature on humanities ability to overcome extreme circumstances versus a slow boil recession.

I have been telling my wife for the last 29yrs that length doesn't matter.
 
Given we don't shut the nation down for the flu which has killed 4x more Americans this year, it is an over reaction. UNTIL the virus proves more deadly, it is an over reaction.

Not shutting down the nation for the flu is NOT the alternative to shutting down the nation for COVID-19. The alternative is not shutting down the nation for COVID-19. Your premise is false, Tim. You don’t know how many would have died. You can’t make any conclusions.
 
Well North Florida still hasn't blown up yet. I figure within 2 weeks if it doesn't happen, we may be good. I was expecting zombies by now. The cv20-batman mutation should do it.

How's everyone's cheese? Still on the cracker? slightly off? melting?

You just have to laugh at life. Some things are just beyond your control. Enjoy the ride.

Adapt&overcome!
 
And where you get the idea I would have done anything differently is beyond me. You're presuming, much like Trog does.

If you've noticed I have issue with the length of this shut down. Not THE shutdown. A shutdown was necessary. There's your answer. Happpy?

Sorry if I missed it but where did you refer to the length of the shutdown and how long do you think it should last or should have lasted? The virus hasn’t yet peaked. Everyone wants this to be over ASAP, but it’s hard to conclude the shutdown should end before May 1st.
 
Well North Florida still hasn't blown up yet. I figure within 2 weeks if it doesn't happen, we may be good. I was expecting zombies by now. The cv20-batman mutation should do it.

How's everyone's cheese? Still on the cracker? slightly off? melting?

You just have to laugh at life. Some things are just beyond your control. Enjoy the ride.

Adapt&overcome!

Much like PA where the vast majority of cases are in the Philadelphia metro. I hope our governor takes that into consideration when it starts to subside.
 
On a side note, with so much reduced traffic on the ground and air, surely we will see huge positive change in the climate, right? You know, since all those cars and plane and factories are causing climate change. With them all closed, we should absolutely see a huge difference.

A good reminder we need to invest in mass transit at the local level and a national high-speed rail network would be a nice addition.
 
As far as the Science my wife is doing a lot of her current semester of nursing studying the on going crisis and the actual math behind it look a the R naught numbers and the epidemiology, my daughter is dealing with the reality of it being on a covid floor as a nurse so I am seeing a lot of the science and information which absolutely seems to change daily. The mathematical curve of infections aside from the some of the modeling done is not pretty. I don't trust most models whether they are on this or the environment. I do trust the basic math of disease spread form the factors we do know and it is tracking to be bad not apocalyptically bad but it really looks like that is partly because of the measures taken and partly because we were given bad information to start, but even with the new information and calculus I am seeing on hospitalization rates of known cases we still need to flatten this out until hopefully the weather helps as Trump has hoped and we can get some treatments approved widespread while we wait on the vaccine. I am not for keeping us closed indefinitely I am certainly for making sure we keep the healthcare system from being overburdened.

That's the thing. I'm not married to a nurse.. I studied it myself. No offense to nurses but they aren't scientist.

Also what about this: https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/...e61jmVIFP5MlZoztzmBTASv2wPAdpkkrWuNI6enwrL4Fo

To sum it up the CDC is telling hospitals to list COVID19 as the cause of death even without testing. NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics. What a genius idea. This from the article "COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

This is not scientific. They are told to count it as a COVID19 death by assumptions. Again this is not a scientific standard but one made up by the CDC. Please don't tell me all of this is based on science. It is not.
 
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Well North Florida still hasn't blown up yet. I figure within 2 weeks if it doesn't happen, we may be good.

Hopefully here will be good, but I'm expecting another surge at the end of the month elsewhere



'Satan's trying to keep us apart!' Dozens of defiant Christian pastors will hold Palm Sunday services throughout the US

Dozens of defiant Christian pastors across the country are preparing to open their church doors to their congregations for Palm Sunday, despite strict lockdown orders to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

'We're defying the rules because the commandment of God is to spread the Gospel,' Louisiana pastor Tony Spell told Reuters

Spell, whose Life Tabernacle megachurch in Baton Rouge boasts 1,000 members, plans on holding three services on Palm Sunday.

Rob McCoy, the mayor of Los Angeles enclave Thousand Oaks also serves as the pastor of Godspeak Calvary Chapel, where he will offer communion on Palm Sunday - 'It's very important theologically that communion not be taken alone.'

'Satan's trying to keep us apart, he's trying to keep us from worshiping together. But we're not going to let him win,' Kelly Burton, pastor at Lone Star Baptist Church in Lone Star, Texas, wrote in a post on Facebook.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...m-Sunday-quarantines-Satans-trying-apart.html
 
Hopefully here will be good, but I'm expecting another surge at the end of the month elsewhere



'Satan's trying to keep us apart!' Dozens of defiant Christian pastors will hold Palm Sunday services throughout the US

Dozens of defiant Christian pastors across the country are preparing to open their church doors to their congregations for Palm Sunday, despite strict lockdown orders to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

'We're defying the rules because the commandment of God is to spread the Gospel,' Louisiana pastor Tony Spell told Reuters

Spell, whose Life Tabernacle megachurch in Baton Rouge boasts 1,000 members, plans on holding three services on Palm Sunday.

Rob McCoy, the mayor of Los Angeles enclave Thousand Oaks also serves as the pastor of Godspeak Calvary Chapel, where he will offer communion on Palm Sunday - 'It's very important theologically that communion not be taken alone.'

'Satan's trying to keep us apart, he's trying to keep us from worshiping together. But we're not going to let him win,' Kelly Burton, pastor at Lone Star Baptist Church in Lone Star, Texas, wrote in a post on Facebook.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...m-Sunday-quarantines-Satans-trying-apart.html

I don't know if this would be much worse than every day at Costco, the lines there go on a long way.
 
People are to blame for the length of the shutdown. If everyone just stayed home for 2 weeks this would have been over. People have to go on their cruises and vacations and what not. Obviously some people can't stay home, but all the early cases were brought from int. travel and it just blew up.
 
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I don't know if this would be much worse than every day at Costco, the lines there go on a long way.

Are they all yelling and singing?

I don't know, been two weeks since I went standing in line shopping, grocery store boxes are petri dishes too now I hear

Quick 2 min convenience store stop for a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread n candy bars once a week is all i need, still stocked up, lol
 
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People are to blame for the length of the shutdown. If everyone just stayed home for 2 weeks this would have been over. People gave to go on their cruises and vacations and what not. .

Ayep!


 
Just did an improvised workout. All that was around the house was the wife’s 10 and 15lbs Dbs. So that isn’t doing much. I ordered a bar and the only thing avail was 35s. Hey it’s something. Fn bar came but weights are back ordered. Ahhh.

So filled up two of my buckets full of water. Guess their over 40 lbs? Got some nice curls, shrugs and front raises out of them. Daughter still has her big swing set thing so pull ups on the cross beam. Then sprints in the yard. I was actually beat.
 
Not shutting down the nation for the flu is NOT the alternative to shutting down the nation for COVID-19. The alternative is not shutting down the nation for COVID-19. Your premise is false, Tim. You don’t know how many would have died. You can’t make any conclusions.

That IS the problem. Conclusions were made without a basis of knowledge. They drew conclusions and shut down the world. Instead of handling this in a measured way, like Sweden has.

You deal with this in binary terms. That's dangerous.
 
Sorry if I missed it but where did you refer to the length of the shutdown and how long do you think it should last or should have lasted? The virus hasn’t yet peaked. Everyone wants this to be over ASAP, but it’s hard to conclude the shutdown should end before May 1st.

Given this thing hasn't killed as many as the Flu - it hasn't come remotely close - given that we haven't lost as many yet as we did to H1N1 in 2009...it's becoming more and more clear to me that an epic 100% shut down was the wrong decision. It should have been managed selectively. The WHO was wrong early on, badly - and started this chain reaction of over-reaction.

We should be going back after this week, and like OFTB has said and others, isolate and protect those who are the most susceptible and the rest of us get back to it.

Italy is already on the downward curve. We "believe" China is. This will be our worst week then it will get better.
 
Only comment to that. Uncertain and unchartered shouldn't lead to us succumbing. Folding up like a house of cards. A little shut down I get. Longer? Not with the program.

For every OSHA and EPA regulation they pass they have to have a cost and impact analysis. Probably 90% of the lawsuits getting regulations pitched involve the government overstepping due to faulty math, inflated estimations, or illogical conclusions ....


If this was just a novel flu strain Id have supported a FCC several week shutdown of three weeks with a option to extend it up to three more based off of hard data... id never support one longer than 42 days and it would have to be way deadlier or less contagious to even extend it past a month.

All the fools wanting to extend this out indefinitely should ask themselves do they support other draconian measures like banning HIV positive people form having sex indefinitely? Because between 600000 and 1200000 people die of that annually worldwide... and a decade or two ago it was double to triple that... but we didn’t even suspend the rights of known infected people much less the entire population...

This illness will never reach aids numbers... never...
 
This illness will never reach aids numbers... never...

I don't wanna make predictions, but I don't "think" it will hit a bad flu season (80,000 deaths a couple years ago). Think about the epidemics we've faced:

In the 1800s:
  • Smallpox - wiped out entire native american tribes and killed 70% of the native population
  • Yellow Fever - 5,000 American perished
  • Three separate Cholera attacks - 1832-1866, 2-6 American died a day
  • Multiple waves of Scarlet Fever
  • Typhoid Mary - 11,000 people died a year for two years

Approaching the 20th Century:
  • Spanish Flu - 675,000 American perished
  • Diptheria - 15,520 people died per year for 5 years
  • Polio
  • Measles (again) - 2-10K Americans died annually for a span of 11 years
  • Whooping cough
  • HIV/AIDS - millions. This is the 6th leading cause of death in the USA today.

You pick where you think CV19 fits on this scale.
 
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