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This is not coming from a big Trump fan. I don't like the way the man talks, the way he has to massage his own ego every time he speaks, the way he gets purposely vague every time he doesn't really know what the **** he's talking about etc. But I will say this:
I don't know of another person I'd want running this country right now with this hysteria, uncertainty, agitation, state governments on the verge of martial law etc. than Donald J. Trump. I'll tell you why: The man for all of his flaws -- states his own opinion, lays down the law when it's needed, and trusts his instincts and intuition more than any politician I've probably ever seen. Other Presidents (most) would have wilted under the pressure of this ****, and this ******* guy seems like he hasn't aged a day since he took office. I mean come on people, trust your eyes, use your gut and intuition -- this guy is just not human in the most simplest aspects we think we are human IMO.
Obama got gray hair and aged significantly in office, under what type of dire circumstances? Bush did the same. In some weird cosmic way, this man can save our Republic (even if he doesn't even truly understand what the **** he's saving). I'm a believer. When I go pull that lever in November, it'll probably be the easiest decision I'll ever make in my life. I know to some (maybe many, **** you Indy), it's a no-brainer, but some need time to get there I guess.
I'm grateful Donald J. Trump is our President.
(Tell me where I'm wrong, I'll listen)
I don't know of another person I'd want running this country right now with this hysteria, uncertainty, agitation, state governments on the verge of martial law etc. than Donald J. Trump. I'll tell you why: The man for all of his flaws -- states his own opinion, lays down the law when it's needed, and trusts his instincts and intuition more than any politician I've probably ever seen. Other Presidents (most) would have wilted under the pressure of this ****, and this ******* guy seems like he hasn't aged a day since he took office. I mean come on people, trust your eyes, use your gut and intuition -- this guy is just not human in the most simplest aspects we think we are human IMO.
Obama got gray hair and aged significantly in office, under what type of dire circumstances? Bush did the same. In some weird cosmic way, this man can save our Republic (even if he doesn't even truly understand what the **** he's saving). I'm a believer. When I go pull that lever in November, it'll probably be the easiest decision I'll ever make in my life. I know to some (maybe many, **** you Indy), it's a no-brainer, but some need time to get there I guess.
I'm grateful Donald J. Trump is our President.
(Tell me where I'm wrong, I'll listen)
You mock my fragile state, you SOB. Lol.
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Just heard a stat that calls to mental health hotlines are up 800% and alcohol sales are up almost 50%. This must be a living hell for all those people, especially the kids, stuck in abusive, alcoholic households. This Easter my prayers go out to those people.
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Saw it before, and those we kind of funny at first. Now all these people feeling empowered to indignantly scold everyone to stay home is a little creepy.
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Yep I can’t stand the guy, think he’s kind of an obnoxious, insecure, blowhard jerk, wouldn’t want to be his friend, but he gets things done and he doesn’t care who he has to piss off to do it. That’s his best quality really.
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https://www.kcra.com/article/fact-c...aseless-claim-on-covid-19-death-toll/32096409
This is what I have been saying.
“The true facts are that COVID-19 deaths will likely be underreported on death certificates and not over-reported,” Aiken said. “This will be especially true as deaths that occur in homes, and not the hospital, mount. Not all jurisdictions are able to test home deaths with typical symptoms for COVID-19.”
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This is what I have been saying.
“The true facts are that COVID-19 deaths will likely be underreported on death certificates and not over-reported,” Aiken said. “This will be especially true as deaths that occur in homes, and not the hospital, mount. Not all jurisdictions are able to test home deaths with typical symptoms for COVID-19.”
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Are you saying prior to COVID pulling the lever Trump wouldn't have been an easy decision??
Yeah I'm with you in that I also don't like the way he talks, his limited vocabulary, that he doesn't "act presidential" nor do I like his stupid haircut. But all that has become meaningless.
I don't care that he massages his ego, so much so that I've become oblivious to it. Oblivious to it because for the first time in my life we have a president who puts his money where his mouth is and actually does ****.
"Acting presidential" never did anything for anybody.
A ******* articulate smooth talkin (using a teleprompter) Obama strutting around "acting presidential" was as fake as a $3 bill. Trump is no fake.
I'm not for one second berating you, but your reasons for disliking the Trumpster are some of the same reasons those suffering from TDS have.... except your symptoms seem very mild, don't require hospitalization, you're just a carrier for all intents an purposes...stay 6 ft' away from a libtard.LOL
Disclaimer: if before COVID you had to think about who you were going to vote for then your case may be a little more severe,lol
The good news is that the models show that TDS is continuing to taper off despite the democrats and medias relentless efforts to re-infect Americans with their anti Trump lies and propaganda.
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I am not suggesting that there will be mayhem in the streets, I mean, more than there is already in places like Chicago.
I am suggesting that people will start to rebel against the stay at home policies. People will have the need to get back to work, and start going back to their offices. People will start hanging out in small groups. Kids will start playing together. There might even be hugging, God forbid.
This is the type of rebellion that I am talking about.
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I don't know about you but mine is looking pretty bad bad at this point, I need to get a haircut in the worst way. I am starting to have that Trumplike look on top.
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I agree.
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I will be breaking out my 30 year old Flowbee. If I can find it.
I'm still good except maybe for the back. The back seems to grow faster than anyplace else.
I prefer to wear my hair longer on the sides versus getting them buzzed.
Yeah that's me.
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I'm still good except maybe for the back. The back seems to grow faster than anyplace else.
I prefer to wear my hair longer on the sides versus getting them buzzed.
Yeah that's me.
ahem.
Damn we are twins! I also look just like that, in bed, when my wife’s eyes are closed.
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Why can't President Pelosi and her minions work from home like everyone else?
You'll notice all of them, politicians, corona experts, talking heads, are all still gainfully employed allowing them to push their agenda. They are risking absolutely nothing in all of this.
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I think my throughts on this whole situation is starting to coalesce. And how we look at this in the past tense are going to be very interesting.
First, I think we will know that the final numbers are going to my much lower than the doomsday predictions we saw early in this pandemic.
That said, there IS an argument to made that had our public officials and medical professional NOT exaggerated the danger, the public would not have listened to anything and deaths/infection would have been much worse. And that is relevant moving forward. How do you get the public to care about a disease that could kill 200,000 vs. 100,000? Well maybe the game plan is to tell them it will kill 1 million.
Second, I don't think this will have as great in impact on our economy as some forecast. I think the short-term distress isn't as great as some are saying. This could be a great test for a complete "economic shut down". What if not one that is not essential just STOPS. No money in, no money out. You stop making but all your expenses (at least the non-essential) stop as well. Who is harmed by that exactly? What if all mortgages and debts just skipped a couple months. Not eliminated. Not given away for free. Just skipped. It is an interesting case study and one will find out the full ramifications over the next year. But I suspect by this time next year, we will not notice one bit the dent this caused in our economy. All goods and services and costs will be almost identical to what they were March 1, 2020. Granted, GROWTH is likely stopped for 2020.
The most lasting impact economically will be the deficit spending of the federal government, but again, the world wide federal reserve (kind of as a group action) made borrowing money very cheap (only 1-2% interest) so paying off these debts will only be equivalent to maybe borrowing $600-$700 billion in a normal economy.
Lastly, I think this is a great trial run and practice for our country for a possible REAL serious pandemic. One that just doesn't mostly kill low-hanging fruit (the old and feeble). To think this this virus is the end or the worst that can happen is very, very short-sighted. Our government had a trial run on a serious respiratory contagion. They need to be ready next time. And they need to talk internally about other possible viral outbreaks. You would hope the modern world will never again be undersupplied with PPE and masks, if needed for the ENTIRE population are going to be stockpiled as much as we stockpile oil or food or anything else.
The other aftershock of this must be a world-wide effort to stop wet markets completely around the world. No exceptions. No excuses. No PC treating lightly on other countries' cultures. I think we all know this now. Both left and right. Capturing, killing, butchering wild animals in densely population places to guarantee "freshness" for consumers is bad. Very bad. It was bad 1000 years ago and it's bad now. It's bad in southeast Asia. It's bad in India. It's bad here. It's bad in Africa. For gods sake butcher animals privately and in a clean way and COOK your meat properly. Not that hard to understand.
I am about 95% satisfied with the way this whole thing played out. I have some major issues with our media, but they are unfixable at this point. But again, mis-information to make people listen is a debate we can have for a long time. Sure there is the cry-wolf problem and the government can't dip into this solution too many times (or people will eventually ignore it all the time), but in some cases it might be necessary. Was this one of them? I'm not sure.
Oh... and I've been noticing some other things. This was a very bad pandemic, particularly to western cultures. Why? Because we have an enormous old, feeble population. I keep asking myself why this disease isn't wiping out India and the only answer I can come up with is they just don't have that many low-hanging fruit anymore. There are no 70+ people in Inida that have all these dangerous underlying conditions. They have all been killed off by OTHER infections over the years. Same thing in Africa, where the median age of their population is something like 10 years less than us and maybe 15 years less than Europe.
In Europe and the U.S. we do an amazing job of protecting end of life. We invest so much more than most countires in retirement and health and taking care of our elderly. Unfortunately, when something like this comes along. Something incurable. Something we have no immunity too. Something we have no vaccine for. It just wipes out those elderly people. Especially in the poor and highly dense population areas (even poor elderly in nursing home are normally packed together more tightly than in elite/expensive nursing homes). This is a devastating illness for those facilities. And most of the true horror stories of this disease involve nursing homes where everyone tests positive.
The unfortunate byproduct of keeping your elderly alive so long is that a pandemic impacts your society that much more.
First, I think we will know that the final numbers are going to my much lower than the doomsday predictions we saw early in this pandemic.
That said, there IS an argument to made that had our public officials and medical professional NOT exaggerated the danger, the public would not have listened to anything and deaths/infection would have been much worse. And that is relevant moving forward. How do you get the public to care about a disease that could kill 200,000 vs. 100,000? Well maybe the game plan is to tell them it will kill 1 million.
Second, I don't think this will have as great in impact on our economy as some forecast. I think the short-term distress isn't as great as some are saying. This could be a great test for a complete "economic shut down". What if not one that is not essential just STOPS. No money in, no money out. You stop making but all your expenses (at least the non-essential) stop as well. Who is harmed by that exactly? What if all mortgages and debts just skipped a couple months. Not eliminated. Not given away for free. Just skipped. It is an interesting case study and one will find out the full ramifications over the next year. But I suspect by this time next year, we will not notice one bit the dent this caused in our economy. All goods and services and costs will be almost identical to what they were March 1, 2020. Granted, GROWTH is likely stopped for 2020.
The most lasting impact economically will be the deficit spending of the federal government, but again, the world wide federal reserve (kind of as a group action) made borrowing money very cheap (only 1-2% interest) so paying off these debts will only be equivalent to maybe borrowing $600-$700 billion in a normal economy.
Lastly, I think this is a great trial run and practice for our country for a possible REAL serious pandemic. One that just doesn't mostly kill low-hanging fruit (the old and feeble). To think this this virus is the end or the worst that can happen is very, very short-sighted. Our government had a trial run on a serious respiratory contagion. They need to be ready next time. And they need to talk internally about other possible viral outbreaks. You would hope the modern world will never again be undersupplied with PPE and masks, if needed for the ENTIRE population are going to be stockpiled as much as we stockpile oil or food or anything else.
The other aftershock of this must be a world-wide effort to stop wet markets completely around the world. No exceptions. No excuses. No PC treating lightly on other countries' cultures. I think we all know this now. Both left and right. Capturing, killing, butchering wild animals in densely population places to guarantee "freshness" for consumers is bad. Very bad. It was bad 1000 years ago and it's bad now. It's bad in southeast Asia. It's bad in India. It's bad here. It's bad in Africa. For gods sake butcher animals privately and in a clean way and COOK your meat properly. Not that hard to understand.
I am about 95% satisfied with the way this whole thing played out. I have some major issues with our media, but they are unfixable at this point. But again, mis-information to make people listen is a debate we can have for a long time. Sure there is the cry-wolf problem and the government can't dip into this solution too many times (or people will eventually ignore it all the time), but in some cases it might be necessary. Was this one of them? I'm not sure.
Oh... and I've been noticing some other things. This was a very bad pandemic, particularly to western cultures. Why? Because we have an enormous old, feeble population. I keep asking myself why this disease isn't wiping out India and the only answer I can come up with is they just don't have that many low-hanging fruit anymore. There are no 70+ people in Inida that have all these dangerous underlying conditions. They have all been killed off by OTHER infections over the years. Same thing in Africa, where the median age of their population is something like 10 years less than us and maybe 15 years less than Europe.
In Europe and the U.S. we do an amazing job of protecting end of life. We invest so much more than most countires in retirement and health and taking care of our elderly. Unfortunately, when something like this comes along. Something incurable. Something we have no immunity too. Something we have no vaccine for. It just wipes out those elderly people. Especially in the poor and highly dense population areas (even poor elderly in nursing home are normally packed together more tightly than in elite/expensive nursing homes). This is a devastating illness for those facilities. And most of the true horror stories of this disease involve nursing homes where everyone tests positive.
The unfortunate byproduct of keeping your elderly alive so long is that a pandemic impacts your society that much more.
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I wasn’t a big fan before the election, even bough we were both born in the same hospital,Voted for him by default over Helliry,
**** I woulda voted for Hitler over her.
I’ve come to support him in a big part because everyone is against him.
Let the guy do his ****** job,he has done a lot more than I thought
Funniest President by far
Needs to not tweet as much though
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Have you been paying attention to the labor market?
The country has never seen the scale of economic contraction it's about to see over the next six months.
Economists are having to completely rebuild their forecasting models because they're proving insufficient amid what's happening right now.
Even during the banking crises in the early 1930s and 2008/2009 society did not completely shut down like it currently has.
The problem is that 60-70% of businesses have virtually no revenue coming in and noone has any clarity on when things will bottom out and normalize.
Even when the mitigation measures end sometime this summer, it is going to take a long time for business and consumer confidence to recover, as the psychological impact of this thing lingers for months more.
To their credit, the Federal Reserve, Congress and Trump have been aggressive in providing cash to businesses and the unemployed, but it can only do so much when people are afraid to leave their homes and businesses are closed.
There may come a point around June or so where we may just have to bite the bullet from a public health standpoint and open things back up.
Washington cannot throw hundreds of billions down the black hole of a lockdown economy indefinitely.
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Why do you assume it will continue over the next 6 months. Why is there this assumption many of these jobs will be regained within days of the restrictions being lifted? This job loss isn't due to bad economics if it was I would fully agree but it isn't. Due to this we don't have any economic models that we can accurately use. WHy are only the doom and gloom forecasts the only ones to pay attention to? I am in full agreement with Del on this. We just know enough. Trump could work wonders and get things moving or Nancy could **** everything up or most likely something in between.
I am not convinced that this began in a wet market. Documentary from Epoch Times.......
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When people are not going out and spending money it is bad economics. People are going to be reluctant to go to restaurants and stores for quite some time, even after the virus peaks.
Also, despite the actions being taken at the Federal level, I do not see many of these smaller companies surviving this, especially if it goes on for 2-3 more months.
If that's the case a lot of these recently unemployed people will not have jobs to go back to.
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Yeah, the wet market right down the street from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the only level 4 bio safety lab in all of China, that was researching bat viruses (on bats that are not local to the area and are shipped in from 900 or so miles away.
They don't sell bats at that market anyway.