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The Coronavirus thread

Superman said:
family thing I'm not getting into, but in my personal experience driving from Houston, TX to Jackson, TN this week, I've noticed that the majority of people in urban areas are more closely following mask mandates. Having to stop for gas in rural areas, the mask mandates means less than ****. There's little to no personal responsibility in wearing a mask, and while crowds are sparse, we've seen first hand it only takes one person to start a pandemic. IMO, rural people seem to think the Rona is more of a big city thing and that it won't affect them. And while we are shutting down bars and **** in urban areas, due to the younger generation being bulletproof and frequenting bars and ****, that mentality stretches to rural areas as well. Yet while rural areas are less likely to practice the mask mandate, they're also less likely to force/enforce a business to close due to not following Rona procedures.

So this **** will be around for a good, long time.
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Rural people generally have more common sense that urban people. Rural people are more distrustful of government diktats. Rural people by nature aren't living on top of each other in conditions more conducive to the spread of communicable diseases. It would be far better for the urban people/spreaders to stay out of rural areas as much as possible and, if you move there, certainly don't bring your urban voting habits and Party affiliations with you since that already screwed up the last place you lived and voted into the ground.

Rural people are also far less likely to protest and congregate in large numbers when they feel aggrieved or emotionally triggered. They take more of a quiet, Don't Tread on Me approach which -- compared to the Covid-spreading rioters -- is the way to go in this case.

Give me the rural people any day as a general rule. They know how to survive even if they do catch a Chinavirus from the Big City.

"Our safety is in the country people, who more scattered and more independent, are out of the reach of demagogues."

-- Noah Webster
 
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SojournerSteel said:
Rural people generally have more common sense that urban people. Rural people are more distrustful of government diktats. Rural people by nature aren't living on top of each other in conditions more conducive to the spread of communicable diseases. It would be far better for the urban people/spreaders to stay out of rural areas as much as possible and, if you move there, certainly don't bring your urban voting habits and Party affiliations with you since that already screwed up the last place you lived and voted into the ground. Rural people are also far less likely to protest and congregate in large numbers when they feel aggrieved or emotionally triggered. They take more of a quiet, Don't Tread on Me approach which -- compared to the Covid-spreading rioters -- is the way to go in this case.
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I have no idea how you - and other Trumpsters - can be this wildly out of touch with what's happening in your own country. I'm sure there's an explanation for it, not sure I want to know, honestly. It's not surprising, seeing how out of the loop Trump has been for months on end, but still, wow.


Rural America is more vulnerable to COVID-19 than cities are, and it’s starting to show
https://theconversation.com/rural-a...an-cities-are-and-its-starting-to-show-140532

Of the top 25 COVID-19 hot spots that popped up in the last two weeks, 18 were in non-metropolitan counties. Arkansas, North Carolina and Texas all set records in mid-June for the number of people entering hospitals for COVID-19. Georgia’s daily reported death toll from COVID-19 was up 35% compared to three weeks earlier.
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Update: COVID-19 in Rural America - July 8, 2020
http://www.ruralhome.org/whats-new/mn-coronavirus/1819-covid-19-in-rural-america-update

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A deadly ‘checkerboard’: Covid-19’s new surge across rural America
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/24/coronavirus-rural-america-outbreaks/?arc404=true

The novel coronavirus arrived in an Indiana farm town mid-planting season and took root faster than the fields of seed corn, infecting hundreds and killing dozens. It tore through a pork processing plant and spread outward in a desolate stretch of the Oklahoma Panhandle. And in Colorado’s sparsely populated eastern plains, the virus erupted in a nursing home and a pair of factories, burning through the crowded quarters of immigrant workers and a vulnerable elderly population.

As the death toll nears 100,000, the disease caused by the virus has made a fundamental shift in who it touches and where it reaches in America, according to a Washington Post analysis of case data and interviews with public health professionals in several states. The pandemic that first struck in major metropolises is now increasingly finding its front line in the country’s rural areas; counties with acres of farmland, cramped meatpacking plants, out-of-the-way prisons and few hospital beds.
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More reading on Covid19 and the 'quiet, Don't Tread on Me approach' in rural America:

Congress Must Help Rural America Respond to the Coronavirus
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...-must-help-rural-america-respond-coronavirus/

Coronavirus Was Slow to Spread to Rural America. Not Anymore.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/08/us/coronavirus-rural-america-cases.html

COVID-19 cases are rising in rural America, and its hospitals may be unprepared
https://www.healthcaredive.com/news...erica-and-its-hospitals-may-be-unprep/577161/

Rural America Could Be the Region Hardest Hit by the COVID-19 Outbreak
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/rural-america-hardest-hit-by-covid-19-outbreak

Rural America is more vulnerable to COVID-19 than cities are, and it's starting to show
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-rural-america-vulnerable-covid-cities.html
 
Superman said:
family thing I'm not getting into, but in my personal experience driving from Houston, TX to Jackson, TN this week, I've noticed that the majority of people in urban areas are more closely following mask mandates. Having to stop for gas in rural areas, the mask mandates means less than ****. There's little to no personal responsibility in wearing a mask, and while crowds are sparse, we've seen first hand it only takes one person to start a pandemic. IMO, rural people seem to think the Rona is more of a big city thing and that it won't affect them. And while we are shutting down bars and **** in urban areas, due to the younger generation being bulletproof and frequenting bars and ****, that mentality stretches to rural areas as well. Yet while rural areas are less likely to practice the mask mandate, they're also less likely to force/enforce a business to close due to not following Rona procedures.

So this **** will be around for a good, long time.
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In my mind if accepted the fact this is the new flu, it’s not going anywhere. What will happen is people will get sick and recover. Those at risk will pass. Eventually a vaccination will come out, coupled with countless folks having their bodies able to fight this, herd action. Deaths will slow. Yes a lot have passed but recovery is incredible high.

What must change is the response.
 
SojournerSteel said:
"Our safety is in the country people, who more scattered and more independent, are out of the reach of demagogues."

-- Noah Webster
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Out of reach? Could you be any more out of touch? This is 2020, not 1820. Trump is the biggest demagogue in the history of the nation. In this day of ubiquitous televisions and internet nobody is out of reach.
 
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/never-has-a-virus-been-so-oversold


Never has a virus been so oversold

There’s nothing unprecedented about Covid-19 itself. The equally novel, equally infectious Asian flu of 1957 had commensurate fatalities in Britain: scaled up for today’s population, the equivalent of 42,000, while the UK’s (statistically flawed) Covid death total now stands at 46,000. Globally, the Asian flu was vastly more lethal, causing between two and four million deaths. The Hong Kong flu of 1968-69 also slew up to four million people worldwide, including 80,000 Britons. Yet in both instances, life went on.

What is unprecedented: never has a virus been so oversold. Why, I’d like to sign on with Covid’s agent. What a publicity budget.

.........Astonishingly, Americans believed that Covid has killed 9 per cent of their compatriots, or almost 30 million people! The real US total has indeed crossed the milestone of 150,000, but for pity’s sake, ‘only’ 20 million people died in the first world war.
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Ironcitysteelers said:
In my mind if accepted the fact this is the new flu, it’s not going anywhere. What will happen is people will get sick and recover. Those at risk will pass. Eventually a vaccination will come out, coupled with countless folks having their bodies able to fight this, herd action. Deaths will slow. Yes a lot have passed but recovery is incredible high.

What must change is the response.
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That's exactly where I am. It's not going away. In a couple years people will be getting their flu shot and Rona shot, going on with their daily lives and not even give it a second thought.
 
Superman said:
family thing I'm not getting into, but in my personal experience driving from Houston, TX to Jackson, TN this week, I've noticed that the majority of people in urban areas are more closely following mask mandates. Having to stop for gas in rural areas, the mask mandates means less than ****. There's little to no personal responsibility in wearing a mask, and while crowds are sparse, we've seen first hand it only takes one person to start a pandemic. IMO, rural people seem to think the Rona is more of a big city thing and that it won't affect them. And while we are shutting down bars and **** in urban areas, due to the younger generation being bulletproof and frequenting bars and ****, that mentality stretches to rural areas as well. Yet while rural areas are less likely to practice the mask mandate, they're also less likely to force/enforce a business to close due to not following Rona procedures.

So this **** will be around for a good, long time.
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The 'Rona IS a big city thing. Places with a lot of population density have higher rates of infections and deaths.
 
oneforthebus said:
PIAA just voted to put off decision for two weeks to try and work with the governor and the legislature.
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This was interesting because Wolf was not interested in working with the PIAA prior to this, had zero reaction to the PIAA recommendations for each sport, then made comments at the end of his PC about sports before walking off and later released a statement. He's made his position very clear and I would be surprised if it changes over the next two weeks. We've seen over the summer that many sports have been played with success.
 
oneforthebus said:
PIAA just voted to put off decision for two weeks to try and work with the governor and the legislature.
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penn state had planned to have 23K at their games, which in a stadium that holds over 100K would have been pretty spaced out. Wolf said No so PSU announced no fans at games.

Wolf also cut bars and restaurants back to 25% capacity because apparently at 50% the businesses just weren't failing enough.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
The 'Rona IS a big city thing. Places with a lot of population density have higher rates of infections and deaths.
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No No. It's the suburbs that are dangerous. Come back to the cities! Cuomo is literally begging people to come back. Come back to what? People live in big cities for jobs and for culture. Many have realized that with technology, they no longer need to live in a city to work. They can work remotely. Now you close the bars and restaurants and defund police so it becomes a shithole. And don't forget the crazy taxes. Why go back? Many won't.

Cuomo re-opened the schools. I'm betting that's because they found out that lots of people are going to go to a place where their kids can go to school.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
The 'Rona IS a big city thing. Places with a lot of population density have higher rates of infections and deaths.
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I get that.
When I stopped to get gas, while it is mandatory to wear a mask, there is little social distancing and masks are half-assed worn. either on the chin, or hanging from an ear. I completely understand that the Rona is real and that the hype is media-driven and have looked at the numbers. Realistically, though, we have a virus that we do not have a vaccine for. So while it's akin to playing the lottery, its not a game I want to play. I do wear a mask when out and about - simply because I don't want to be the guy who gets fined.

Look at it this way - I'm visiting family under dire circumstances. We're as far into the sticks as it gets and still have a foot in civilization. I'm with my uncles and mother. All of them are between the ages of late 60s and late 70s. Since the Rona has a low percentage here, my eldest uncle wanted to take us to a restaurant. One of my uncles is still suffering from lung cancer surgery and has COPD, so he's been careful about what he does and where he goes - even before Rona. We get to the restaurant and sit in the back, away from everyone. Literally no one around us. Halfway through eating, 6 guys in their early 20s come in and sit across from us. A few minutes later, 4 more people come in and sit next to them, but then get up and move to the next table.

None of those 10 people were wearing a mask. Statistically, they should all be fine. Yet they walked through a dining room with other people - older people. Some older than my uncles. And to get where they sat, they had to pass within a foot or two of many of those people - before they sat down near us.

So we have the knowledge that the Rona can and does have a more drastic affect on the older population. Why not just wear a mask when you're around those older people? Even if it is stupid to wear a mask until you sit down, when you're walking past people, you do have the ability to limit the ability of passing the virus on if you're asymptomatic.
 
Superman said:
I get that.
When I stopped to get gas, while it is mandatory to wear a mask, there is little social distancing and masks are half-assed worn. either on the chin, or hanging from an ear. I completely understand that the Rona is real and that the hype is media-driven and have looked at the numbers. Realistically, though, we have a virus that we do not have a vaccine for. So while it's akin to playing the lottery, its not a game I want to play. I do wear a mask when out and about - simply because I don't want to be the guy who gets fined.
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It's like Memorial Day weekend when I went camping with my buds. We always go to the Coca-Cola 600 in Charlotte, NC with the motorhome in the infield. Race was closed to fans but we went to a campground in VA 75% of the way there in case they changed their minds at the last minute. This was when PA was at the height of panic and we made our traditional stop for groceries and supplies at the Walmart in Summersville, WV. Almost no one was wearing a mask except for the employees but then most people in that part of the state are coal miners so they ain't afraid of nothin'.

The odds of getting the 'Rona are slim, the odds of dying from it are a lot slimmer, but the regular flu doesn't kill 12,000 people in NYC in three months either. 70% of the deaths in PA were in the Philadelphia area and 80% of the deaths in PA were in nursing homes.
 
Tibs said:
I have no idea how you - and other Trumpsters - can be this wildly out of touch with what's happening in your own country. I'm sure there's an explanation for it, not sure I want to know, honestly. It's not surprising, seeing how out of the loop Trump has been for months on end, but still, wow.


Rural America is more vulnerable to COVID-19 than cities are, and it’s starting to show
https://theconversation.com/rural-a...an-cities-are-and-its-starting-to-show-140532



Update: COVID-19 in Rural America - July 8, 2020
http://www.ruralhome.org/whats-new/mn-coronavirus/1819-covid-19-in-rural-america-update

covid-july-graph-a.png



A deadly ‘checkerboard’: Covid-19’s new surge across rural America
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/24/coronavirus-rural-america-outbreaks/?arc404=true



More reading on Covid19 and the 'quiet, Don't Tread on Me approach' in rural America:

Congress Must Help Rural America Respond to the Coronavirus
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...-must-help-rural-america-respond-coronavirus/

Coronavirus Was Slow to Spread to Rural America. Not Anymore.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/08/us/coronavirus-rural-america-cases.html

COVID-19 cases are rising in rural America, and its hospitals may be unprepared
https://www.healthcaredive.com/news...erica-and-its-hospitals-may-be-unprep/577161/

Rural America Could Be the Region Hardest Hit by the COVID-19 Outbreak
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/rural-america-hardest-hit-by-covid-19-outbreak

Rural America is more vulnerable to COVID-19 than cities are, and it's starting to show
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-rural-america-vulnerable-covid-cities.html
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Out of touch? You ******* live in Hungaria. We live here. You've probably lived in that country as long as you've lived here or longer.

All you know is whatever garbage media you read about us.


NY &NJ have some amazing death totals.They sure love sending seniors to their deaths.Yeah it's ******* safer in the rural areas yah dumb ****. We don't live up each others ***** in the urban shitholes.
 
Troglodyte said:
Out of reach? Could you be any more out of touch? This is 2020, not 1820. Trump is the biggest demagogue in the history of the nation. In this day of ubiquitous televisions and internet nobody is out of reach.
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Hardly. Turn the TV and internet off if you need a break from the barrage of propaganda. It's important that we all self-manage against the Covid psyop. Some of you guys have given it so much emotional energy that it could cause other health problems even as it stands now.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
No No. It's the suburbs that are dangerous. Come back to the cities! Cuomo is literally begging people to come back. Come back to what? People live in big cities for jobs and for culture. Many have realized that with technology, they no longer need to live in a city to work. They can work remotely. Now you close the bars and restaurants and defund police so it becomes a shithole. And don't forget the crazy taxes. Why go back? Many won't.

Cuomo re-opened the schools. I'm betting that's because they found out that lots of people are going to go to a place where their kids can go to school.
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Schumer also changed his tune. Democrats can't believe or say anything without internal polling. Now the communists see that keeping schools closed is a losing issue with independents.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
It's like Memorial Day weekend when I went camping with my buds. We always go to the Coca-Cola 600 in Charlotte, NC with the motorhome in the infield. Race was closed to fans but we went to a campground in VA 75% of the way there in case they changed their minds at the last minute. This was when PA was at the height of panic and we made our traditional stop for groceries and supplies at the Walmart in Summersville, WV. Almost no one was wearing a mask except for the employees but then most people in that part of the state are coal miners so they ain't afraid of nothin'.

The odds of getting the 'Rona are slim, the odds of dying from it are a lot slimmer, but the regular flu doesn't kill 12,000 people in NYC in three months either. 70% of the deaths in PA were in the Philadelphia area and 80% of the deaths in PA were in nursing homes.
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The Nanny State reminds of my grandmother chiding me if I went outside and it was "damp...you might catch cold."

A lot of people must have been raised by grandmothers or women and not dads who told them to get their ***** outside!
 
Found out my 80-something year old uncle tested positive for Rona yesterday. Today would be 2 weeks since the hubs and I saw him last. Neither of us has shown or felt symptoms, so I think we are OK. In that 2 weeks span, the hubs and I drove back to KS, went thru many states, have gone shopping, gone out to eat...so I hope we aren’t the asymptomatic people...
 
We have done roughly 1300 tests so far and had 11 or 12 positive results. 3 positives were the same employee and all others had double negatives and 0 symptoms. All residents who tested positive but one were on the same antibiotic and I believe they all had a UTI. So we are looking at 3 legit positives which leaves 8 or 9 false positives out of 1300. This translates to roughly a 0.65% false positive rate. By the end of this week we should be around 1500 tests so we will see what happens. If we have all negatives we have to green light to move to the next phase.
 
jitter77 said:
We have done roughly 1300 tests so far and had 11 or 12 positive results. 3 positives were the same employee and all others had double negatives and 0 symptoms. All residents who tested positive but one were on the same antibiotic and I believe they all had a UTI. So we are looking at 3 legit positives which leaves 8 or 9 false positives out of 1300. This translates to roughly a 0.65% false positive rate. By the end of this week we should be around 1500 tests so we will see what happens. If we have all negatives we have to green light to move to the next phase.
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Thats a 75% false positive rate on positive tests. That is horrible. imagine if 75% of new cases were false positives......who would benefit, and who would be harmed with science this terrible?

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stevielee said:
Instead of out of state plates we've been counting how many people are alone in their car with a mask on. About 90% are middle-aged white women driving minivans.

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This thing has done a number on women in particular.

It's a psyop.
 
Not me. I know it’s psychological. Plus, even though I am a mother, I’ve never been over-nurturing and over protective. So I know when to pull back on the societal BS. It’s sad to see the women sheep just walk around like everything is fine.
 
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