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Thats a 75% false positive rate on positive tests. That is horrible. imagine if 75% of new cases were false positives......who would benefit, and who would be harmed with science this terrible?

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So by your logic you could do 1 million tests have 1 false positive and you would say the false positive rate is 100% While the statement is technically true that is not representative of what is going on. To have a 1 test out of 1 million come back wrong would be considered a huge success.
 
So by your logic you could do 1 million tests have 1 false positive and you would say the false positive rate is 100% While the statement is technically true that is not representative of what is going on. To have a 1 test out of 1 million come back wrong would be considered a huge success.
What the hell does your post have to do with anything, including reality?

From your own posts, up just a bit in thread, your company has plenty of PPE, but it is now more expensive and harder work for you to get. Poor you. So that is Trumps fault.

Your same company has completed 1300 tests, with roughly 1% coming back positive, and of those 75% were false positives. How much time and money did the testing cost?
Did you blame Trump for having to do tests, or for poor quality tests or any of that? No, that makes you feel better, so that is ok.

But if you have to do harder worker, or be more creative in solutions, or pay more for scarce products to accomplish same......well two things:
1) that must be Trumps fault.
2) it must be nice for all those jobless folks, those struggling, those losing their businesses, their apartments, their income, their savings, etc. to read how "tough" things are for you.

Maybe you should find a way to be just a bit grateful that you are so fortunate....

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What the hell does your post have to do with anything, including reality?

From your own posts, up just a bit in thread, your company has plenty of PPE, but it is now more expensive and harder work for you to get. Poor you. So that is Trumps fault.

Your same company has completed 1300 tests, with roughly 1% coming back positive, and of those 75% were false positives. How much time and money did the testing cost?
Did you blame Trump for having to do tests, or for poor quality tests or any of that? No, that makes you feel better, so that is ok.

But if you have to do harder worker, or be more creative in solutions, or pay more for scarce products to accomplish same......well two things:
1) that must be Trumps fault.
2) it must be nice for all those jobless folks, those struggling, those losing their businesses, their apartments, their income, their savings, etc. to read how "tough" things are for you.

Maybe you should find a way to be just a bit grateful that you are so fortunate....

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I did not say things were tough for me, what i did say is that it is ridiculous that facilities can't get PPE still. The is partially Trumps fault for not having companies produce it months ago. Trump could also stop the price gouging if he chose to. I'm sure you would not be happy to have loved ones in a nursing home where staff can not get proper PPE.
 
Some people wear face masks in their car, because they are making short stops and don't want to be bothered taking it on and off.
 
I did not say things were tough for me, what i did say is that it is ridiculous that facilities can't get PPE still. The is partially Trumps fault for not having companies produce it months ago. Trump could also stop the price gouging if he chose to. I'm sure you would not be happy to have loved ones in a nursing home where staff can not get proper PPE.
Lol. Nope.....you are wrong about me!

I want my loved ones to suffer from a bad disease! Lol.

WTF planet are you from? Cut the high-school bs from your under-developed emotional response system, please.



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Lol. Nope.....you are wrong about me!

I want my loved ones to suffer from a bad disease! Lol.

WTF planet are you from? Cut the high-school bs from your under-developed emotional response system, please.



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So you basically ignored the problem and resorted to insults i suppose that is typical. The fact is there is a short supply of PPE equipment nationwide. Trump could have invoked the defense production act much sooner and chose not to. Not sure how or why you want to argue that so fiercely. I don't care how much you love Trump hospitals / nursing homes and what not should not have to reuse PPE. If you can't agree to that then I'm not really sure what to say
 
The is partially Trumps fault for not having companies produce it months ago.

No mention whatsoever of the fact that the PPE stockpile was never replenished after H1N1 during the Obama administration.

Trump DID ask commercial enterprises to re-tool and assist in PPE manufacturing and ventilators. Just as he asked commercial companies to retool testing and ramped up likely the fastest testing the world has ever seen.

U.S. companies quickly adapting to make PPE, ventilators, pharmaceuticals shows strength of domestic manufacturing

The impact of the coronavirus resulted in a surge in demand for personal protective equipment (PPE). U.S. manufacturers were able to quickly transition to produce PPE and other supplies necessary in the fight aganst COVID-19, according to a new report.

The PPE manufacturing industry has become one of the most important industries in the United States nearly overnight,” the report by IBISWorld says.

“Prior to 2020, the industry underwent a boom and bust cycle matching that of the decline in industrial activity that occurred between 2015 and 2016,” the report states. Strong manufacturing activity in 2018 bolstered the industry's sales, IBISWorld adds. It projects that now, after the coronavirus restrictions, the industry’s revenue will increase at an annualized rate of 3.8 percent to $5.7 billion over five years.

The industry's largest manufacturers are operating at maximum capacity and are currently or intending to expand their domestic production capacity within the year, the report adds. IBISWorld expects the industry's trade balance to shift from a deficit to a surplus over the five years.

Many manufacturing companies quickly switched their production capabilities to manufacture PPE within a few short months.

In March, Minneapolis-based MyPillow company refocused 75 percent of its workforce to sew face masks for health care workers.

"We have capacity to make a lot of things at big rates and we’re going to be going hopefully from 10,000 units a day to 50,000 units a day in a very short period of time,
" CEO Mike Lindell told FOX 9 of Minneapolis-St. Paul.

In St. Louis, custom processor Brentwood Plastics Inc. produced PE film to manufacturers across the U.S. to use to make impermeable isolation gowns for healthcare workers. More than 1.6 million gowns were made in April alone from BPI film, according to BPI. On March 23, the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency recognized BPI and its employees were as “workers essential to critical infrastructure during the COVID-19 response.”

In New Jersey, New Brunswick-based mattress company Eclipse International, and Paterson-based The Tablecloth Company switched production from mattresses and tablecloths to masks.

American fashion brands like Hanes, Los Angeles Apparel and Michael Costello and Karla Colletto Swimwear also redirected their workers to sew masks.

Business Insider lists roughly 20 multi-million dollar companies that have partnered to build ventilators and protective equipment.

Last month, President Donald Trump visited and praised the workers at Ford Motor Company’s Rawsonville Component Plant in Ypsilanti, Michigan, who built a “great medical arsenal” and helped make the plant become the “leading manufacturer and exporter of ventilators anywhere in the world.”

Because of the virus, Ford was forced to stop automobile production for the first time since World War II, the president said. Instead, company leadership called the White House and asked: “How can we help?”

Within two months, the company produced 50,000 ventilators, a feat, the president said, “most people would say it would be impossible to believe.”

A Virginia-based pharmaceutical company, Phlow Corporation, was awarded a $354 million, four-year contract to manufacture generic medicines and pharmaceutical ingredients needed to treat COVID-19.

Peter Navarro, director of the White House Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy, said of the contract, "For far too long, we've relied on foreign manufacturing and supply chains for our most important medicines and active pharmaceutical ingredients while placing America's health, safety and national security at grave risk.

“We are now moving swiftly in Trump time to forge an American solution, one that leads with American ingenuity, American workers, and American factories all dedicated to ending our drug shortages and expanding drug manufacturing infrastructure for a healthy and secure future."

Eric Edwards, co-founder president and CEO of Phlow, said “America needs a reliable source of high quality, domestically manufactured, affordable pharmaceuticals and their key ingredients. This advanced manufacturing capability will significantly fortify our nation's pharmaceutical supply chain for critical medicines, including many required to treat patients hospitalized with COVID-19."

Over 80 percent of APIs and chemical ingredients used in the U.S. to manufacture generics and over-the-counter drugs are produced overseas. Of these, the majority are produced in China and India.

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An American factory owner who pivoted to making face shields in 8 days has 3 steps others can follow to transform their factories


USW members kick up production of PPE in U.S. and Canada


https://www.assemblymag.com/article...-to-ppe-production-to-fight-covid-19-pandemic

Tracking US manufacturers’ shift toward PPE during the coronavirus pandemic
HUGE list of companies that re-tooled to produce PPE

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Countless articles out there. To say that "Trump is to blame" for not having companies produce it when he's explicitly gone to commercial companies to assist in fighting these challenges is meritless.
 
So you basically ignored the problem and resorted to insults i suppose that is typical. The fact is there is a short supply of PPE equipment nationwide. Trump could have invoked the defense production act much sooner and chose not to. Not sure how or why you want to argue that so fiercely. I don't care how much you love Trump hospitals / nursing homes and what not should not have to reuse PPE. If you can't agree to that then I'm not really sure what to say
The problem is a global virus that is somewhat flu-like, but probably more serious, especially for those older and at risk.

If you are worried about other places not having enough PPE after 5 months of trying, maybe you should call them and offer some help, grateful that you have more than enough.

WTF, other than your one track mind, does POTUS have to do with this? Is he alone responsible for all the problems that you choose to assign him blame for? If so, even partially, where do you assign other blame? How about your industry was caught short because no one globally was prepared for a global pandemic? How about hiring someone local to make your gowns? How about you making one per night and 4 on the weekends to sell/give as you desire?

Or is your purpose just to blame the leader of the free world for your unremarkable business problems?

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Some people wear face masks in their car, because they are making short stops and don't want to be bothered taking it on and off.

Have you been observing this as some sort of character development for your new book?
 
So you basically ignored the problem and resorted to insults i suppose that is typical. The fact is there is a short supply of PPE equipment nationwide. Trump could have invoked the defense production act much sooner and chose not to. Not sure how or why you want to argue that so fiercely. I don't care how much you love Trump hospitals / nursing homes and what not should not have to reuse PPE. If you can't agree to that then I'm not really sure what to say


Let me speak to the not have to reuse.

While I agree this is there intended job, disposable after use, this goes well beyond just extended PPE supplies (now not months ago during true shortages). Money. Money is real.

Last call I heard out burn rate per month is around 1mill for PPE. That is up from (not 100% on this number), around 80-150k. That is massive in an industry that reimbursement rates have been ****, where we have lost countless heads in bed. 3m N95s used to cost about .90-1.20 per mask. Now they want around 8 bucks per. Price gouging much!?!
 
Let me speak to the not have to reuse.

While I agree this is there intended job, disposable after use, this goes well beyond just extended PPE supplies (now not months ago during true shortages). Money. Money is real.

Last call I heard out burn rate per month is around 1mill for PPE. That is up from (not 100% on this number), around 80-150k. That is massive in an industry that reimbursement rates have been ****, where we have lost countless heads in bed. 3m N95s used to cost about .90-1.20 per mask. Now they want around 8 bucks per. Price gouging much!?!

It doesn’t matter if they are more readily available, if you are unable to sustain a business due to the costs.
 
While Tim's list sounds nice it does not reflect what's out there. As far as making gowns that is unrealistic. We had a red zone only due to false positives, but in a red zone we are required to change gowns often. We went through 700 gowns in about 4 days.
As far as cost goes due to CDC recommendations alot of nursing homes can't have full census. For example people who goto different dialysis centers have to be in their own room. Also anyone on AVAPs has to have their own room. Plus it is prudent to keep a room or 2 open for positive cases. Our capacity is 120, but with the CDC recommendations our max is about 110. Our budget is based on 112. Normally we have like 3-4 isolation rooms. With covid we are required gowns in all rooms, and we had a nice visit from the state today and now are required eye wear even with 0 cases. Couple all that with the price gouging of supplies it is not profitable. I just think in this situation the federal govt should have more control over the supply chain.
 
I just think in this situation the federal govt should have more control over the supply chain.

I ask you to provide any evidence of the Government running anything that the market runs better. I'll ante with the US Postal Service and Amtrak.

Your turn.
 
I ask you to provide any evidence of the Government running anything that the market runs better. I'll ante with the US Postal Service and Amtrak.

Your turn.

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It is hard for me to follow your "logic":
you are distressed in your business, so it is POTUS fault, but your solution is to want more government control?

What about every other business that is getting ruined because of governmental rules because of the chinese virus?

Why is your business, your job, more meaningful to POTUS than any other?

With society on different stages of fear and closure, why do your business concerns rise matter more than others?

Jitter, I hope that you can understand that many, many businesses are either closed, or going bankrupt or in severe distress needing funding to cover gaps because a small sliver of epidemiological "experts" has been allowed to govern society for the past few months....with hugely differing results in different countries, states, rural/urban settings......and yet you can focus your intense anger over some gowns on Orange Man Bad?

It seems unfortunate that you cannot separate your work stress from TDS.


ps. how bout the CDC suggesting the N95s are not good? That should ease your concerns!

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