The Coronavirus thread

[Steeltime]

Ron understands the purpose of masks about as well as that simple *****, Kristi Noem. Her state of 900 thousand has more Covid deaths than South Korea, a country of 50 million. I’m sure you’ll have another nonsensical explanation for that...

A scientific study proves what Ron has been saying for months. These cloth masks are worthless in preventing the Chinese flu. Only a ******* moron would believe a piece of cloth which cannot stop cigarette smoke would stop the spread of a virus which is vastly smaller.

No wonder you believe that scam. What a good little lemming you are. Government tells you to wear a mask, despite two studies now showing it has no effect on the virus, and you say, "Yessir," slurp up the orders like a good little gerbil.

Because you are too smart for science, yessiree, you know better.

From just EIGHT days ago. What’s the status of the tiny uptick now? Barely an “increase”?

You stupid ****, you moron, you ******* idiot, the increase is in 50 ******* states - mask orders or none, lockdown or not.

https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/all-metrics-per-state

And for the sixth time, you love lockdowns because you make money off the disease. You love it. You profit from it. Traffic is sooo much better. You should get a lamp shade made out of the human skin of a guy who died from Chinese flue, really get into the disease. Others are bankrupt, committing suicide, getting addicted to drugs, suffering isolation, seeing their lives destroyed? Flog doesn't give a ****. He saves 15 minutes driving to work, because Floggy continues to work.

Still not a word of criticism of China from you ... NOT. ONE. WORD.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So South Dakota’s Covid death rate is 50 times higher because they have 8 times as many obese people? 50>8, Tim. And you call me biased...

"I'll follow the science man." -- Joe Biden

Relationship between COVID-19 deaths and morbid obesity

The prevalence of morbid obesity in a population is associated with negative outcomes from COVID-19, according to an analysis by researchers at The University of Alabama of morbid obesity data and reported COVID-19 deaths in the United States.

The researchers used deaths from COVID-19 compiled nationally at the county level by The New York Times and estimates of morbid obesity rates for each U.S. county derived from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey and population data from the U.S. Census Bureau. The research looked at adults aged 18 to 64 and found that morbid obesity rates are positively correlated with COVID-19 case and death rates, and that morbid obesity rates can explain 9 percent of the variation in COVID-19 death rates.

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Even the Compost agrees...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...370980-e22f-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html

Eight months into the pandemic, obesity has turned out to be one of the clearest predictors of a difficult battle against covid-19, for reasons that may vary from person to person. Some experts say they consider obesity to have contributed to the stunning coronavirus death and morbidity rate in the United States, which has one of the highest obesity rates in the world.

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Obesity increases risk of Covid-19 death by 48%, study finds

Obesity increases the risk of dying of Covid-19 by nearly 50% and may make vaccines against the disease less effective, according to a comprehensive study using global data.

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Keep your head in the sand Floggy.

 

[Steeltime]

30 people died of "Covid" in South Dakota yesterday, meaning they died and had the Chinese flu. Thirty. Three-zero. So we should shut down the entire nation, close schools, bankrupt the few private businesses still running.

You deserve to go bankrupt, Floggy. You are so willing to doom millions to that plight so you should share the suffering. Unfortunately, it is obvious you are getting rich off the Chinese flu.

It's not like Steeler Nation would lose any money as a result ...

 

[Steeltime]

 

[Steeltime]

Floggy:

Are you a lying liberal who thinks others should follow the shutdown edicts, but not you? Like Gavin and his mealtime, Lori the Vile and hair appointments, Nancy the Hypocrite and her hair appointments, Gretchen and the Cabin?

Or do you follow the shutdown order and stop earning a living?

Put up or shut the **** up, Floggy. A lot of us here have been hammered by the moronic lockdowns. How about you? Miss any paychecks, or do you keep right on humming? Which is it? Put up or shut up, *****.

 

[Troglodyte]

Yeah, but no. What a load of non-specific horse **** and falsehoods. You really do know little of which you speak. Let's look at the facts.

https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-020-01791-8

Response to COVID-19 in South Korea and implications for lifting stringent interventions

After experiencing a sharp growth in COVID-19 cases early in the pandemic, South Korea rapidly controlled transmission while implementing less stringent national social distancing measures than countries in Europe and the USA. This has led to substantial interest in their “test, trace, isolate” strategy. However, it is important to understand the epidemiological peculiarities of South Korea’s outbreak and characterise their response before attempting to emulate these measures elsewhere.

Despite less stringent “lockdown” measures, strong social distancing measures were implemented in high-incidence areas and studies measured a considerable national decrease in movement in late February. Testing the capacity was swiftly increased, and protocols were in place to isolate suspected and confirmed cases quickly.

Whilst early adoption of testing and contact tracing is likely to be important for South Korea’s successful outbreak control, other factors including regional implementation of strong social distancing measures likely also contributed. The high volume of testing and the low number of deaths suggest that South Korea experienced a small epidemic relative to other countries.


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S. Korea Tests per 1M population - 55,645
USA Tests per 1M population - 522,961

We tested more. We implemented more severe lock downs and social distancing than they did. HOWEVER, we did do dumb *** **** like sticking COVID positive patients into nursing homes.

Fact remains, the only difference is a little better job at contact tracing - which, based on studies and my own daily work, is about as effective as mask-wearing.

As the researchers stated, they experienced, like Australia, a small epidemic related to other countries and implemented LESS STRINGENT social distancing measures.

Huh....????

You're a god damned genius Flog.



Floggy still don't get numbers good.

You fail to realize the exponential increases in deaths you get by being obese.

A healthy person under 50 has a 99.99% chance of surviving. The flu is worse.
If you are mildly obese, you have a 10% higher chance of mortality.
If you are moderately obese, you have a 30% higher chance of mortality.
If you are severely obese, you have a 60% higher chance of mortality.

Apply those increases to 36.2% obesity in the USA v 4.7% of obese people in S. Korea, and you are in fact going to see "exponentially" more deaths in the fatter population. Exponential Flog. Not linear.

They could have less stringent social distancing because they actively identified who had it. You conveniently forgot to highlight the part about rapidly controlled transmissions. Nice try. Like Biden said, control the virus and you control of the economy. Winner!

Your obesity argument is nonsense. Covid doesn’t specifically target obese people. It doesn’t come close to explaining a 50X (exponential not linear!) difference.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Pennsylvania ordering citizens to wear masks INSIDE THEIR OWN HOMES.

Hi. I'm a guy, pretending to be a girl, head of Pennsylvania Dept. of Health. I claim to be a woman despite having a penis, but don't mind that, trust my medical opinion when I say you have to wear a mask, inside your own ******* home, even when alone. I'm doing my part by wearing a paper bag over my head, at the insistence of my "partner," a.k.a., my right hand. You like my nails? Don't I look like a girl???

*sob*

I have a very good friend that lives in Hallstead, Pa, just across the border from Binghamton, NY. Apparently at midnight Friday, PA will be enforcing a new rule that when you come into PA from another state, except for work, you have to have a negative Covid test within 72 hours prior or quarantine for 14 days. Binghamton is pretty much the only source of groceries, pharmacies, or really any other shopping for the people in Hallstead. It will be interesting how or if they will enforce this.

 

[21STEELERS21]

If you don't like lockdowns it seems kind of dumb to argue against masks. Even if they only have a psychological affect they are preventing some governments from going to the more stringent lockdowns.
Prove masks are useless and then governments only have lockdowns to resort too.

 

[Troglodyte]

Obesity increases risk of Covid-19 death by 48%, study finds

Obesity increases the risk of dying of Covid-19 by nearly 50% and may make vaccines against the disease less effective, according to a comprehensive study using global data.

48% increase or 1.48:1, NOT 50:1 or 4,900% increase

Your obesity argument is nonsense.

 

[Superman]

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[Steeltime]

If you don't like lockdowns it seems kind of dumb to argue against masks. Even if they only have a psychological affect they are preventing some governments from going to the more stringent lockdowns. Prove masks are useless and then governments only have lockdowns to resort too.

You and your ilk are intent on killing American small businesses, while making the billionaire class (Bezos, Fuckerberg, Dorkey) even wealthier. You are. I understand you are not bright enough to figure out how and why, so let me help:

• For reasons that nobody can explain based on "science," corner markets and delis are shut down, while Walmart and Costco do booming business.
• Billionaires get richer.
• Lockdowns destroy small food businesses, markets and restaurants, that have very small profit margins.
• The only ones that survive are the massive chains like fast food places that feature drive-through.
• Analysts Gregory Francfort and JonMichael Shekian used aggregated transaction data from Bank of America credit and debit card holders to analyze consumers’ restaurant spending habits. On July 1, the trailing seven-day average spend at large chain restaurants was down 4% compared with the year-ago period. At small restaurant chains and independents, spending fell 25%.
• https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/09/cor...hains-are-recovering-faster-analysts-say.html
• Advantage, again, billionaire class.
• Also, delivery is now forced down our throats. Hey, guess who made another $10 billion? Amazon, Bezos.
• Another win for the billionaire class.
• Forcing us to remain home and shutting down social contact benefits the despicable spies running "social media," i.e., Fuckerberg and Dorkey.
• Look at that, another win for the billionaires.
• Small markets, restaurants, food suppliers, etc. are getting crushed to extinction.
• Know who wins? The massive corporate food suppliers and restaurants. Those small businesses were a pain in the ***, taking away business with things like good products and better service. **** those guys.
• Look at that, ANOTHER win for the billionaire class and huge corporations.

And hey, what a shock ... the billionaire class and massive corporate entities donate ****-tons of money to the very politicians enacting stupid restrictions that don't have a ******* effect on the virus but magically benefit the billionaire donor class.

Coincidence, I'm sure. No way the honesty that permeates politics would allow those ticks to use their powers to benefit their donors, make the donors even wealthier, and make the politicians donation pot explode. No way.

And the next politician to say, "We don't have a choice," should be punched in the face until he or she is in a coma. Jesus Christ, this is AMERICA, we ALWAYS have a choice.

How about this, genius? You want to go out, go out. You want to run a business and have customers in your location, then run the business and have customers in the location. You want to serve customers at tables, and keep the restaurant and bar open until 2:00 a.m., then serve customers at tables and keep the restaurant and bar open until 2:00 a.m.

I am simply stunned at how dumb the lockdown crowd is. We had ******* lockdowns, and now you shriek the Chinese flu is raging worse then ever! So lockdowns don't work, for **** sake.

Oh, they work at destroying businesses and killing people with suicide, drugs, alcohol, and isolation, but they don't do a ******* thing to stop a goddamn virus that is here and not going anywhere.

And of course, no surprise that you once again have not a ******* word of criticism of China, or the political scum that orders us to stay inside, not have Thanksgiving, cancel Christmas, not send our kids to school in-person while their kids are attending private schools in-person, and they are dining out, getting their hair done, etc.

Nope, good little lackey bootlickers don't point out the rank lying hypocrisy of the ruling class.

 

[Steeltime]

48% increase or 1.48:1, NOT 50:1 or 4,900% increase

Your obesity argument is nonsense.

So Mrs. Lockdown, did you lockdown and go without income for the past nine months?

Yeah, of course not. You and Gavin can dine out, live comfortably, but the rest of us? Oh, **** us, we're not important like you and Gavin.

You want to hide in your basement for a year? Have at it. None of my business.

You want to take away my ability to earn a living? **** off.

 

[mightyguru]

so, it seems like she had something like a flu?

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Yes...but, unfortunately, all the pain from her surgery is now back with a force. The doc says that covid is attacking her back where the operation was...it's crazy.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

They could have less stringent social distancing because they actively identified who had it.

Or, dipshit, as you conveniently overlooked, South Korea experienced a small epidemic relative to other countries.

That and their overall health are the largest overall factors for their success.

Now to your thesis. Here is an explicit article that details how they do contact tracing and why, emanating from 2015. Countries around the world are reluctant to infringe upon the rights of their citizens, as S. Korea has for countless over-reach regions. Many have outright objected to what they have done. They literally are able to track every human in their country digitally, showing where every person was, what cinema or class they sat in, who sat next to them.

Yeeaaaahhhh, we aren't going there at any cost. This country was founded on personal freedoms.

Your obesity argument is nonsense. Covid doesn’t specifically target obese people. It doesn’t come close to explaining a 50X (exponential not linear!) difference.

48% increase or 1.48:1, NOT 50:1 or 4,900% increase

Your obesity argument is nonsense.

Damn, I'm beginning to think Steeltime's harsh assessments of your intellect are true. You really are potentially this stupid man. It's actually scary.

No one, nor me, are saying COVID specifically targets fat people. It equally attacks all. When one third of your country is obese, there will be higher numbers of the obese contracting the disease. Surely you can comprehend this?

120 Million Americans are obese Floggy. Well over TWICE the population of S. Korea Floggy. 2.4 Million S. Koreans are obese. Now factor a 10, 30, or 60% HIGHER likelihood of dying from COVID to those obese populations.

But hey, you can attack my numbers all you want I'm just quoting "the science man" - https://steelernationforums.com/sho...navirus-thread&p=768314&viewfull=1#post768314

Obesity increases risk of Covid-19 death by 48%, study finds

And the US has 118Million more obese people than S. Korea, but Floggy says "conspiracy theory." Ya simply can't make this **** up.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/is-americas-high-obesity-levels-leading-to-more-coronavirus-deaths

Just as the U.S. is leading the world in coronavirus deaths, it has, for decades, led the world in obesity levels too – and medical professionals are now indicating that the uncomfortable statistic is no mere coincidence.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has pinpointed “severe obesity” – those with a Body Mass Index (BMI) of 40 or more -- as being one of the groups most “at risk for complications” when it comes to coronavirus, officially referred to as COVID-19.

“I suspect this is America’s COVID Achilles heel and may cause higher morbidity and mortality rates than other regions,” Dr. Jennifer Lighter, hospital epidemiologist at New York University’s Langone Health, told Fox News. “In individuals less than 60 years old, they were two to three times more likely to be admitted to the hospital or ICU, and for the morbidly obese, fatality is three times the rate than for non-obese COVID-infected individuals.”

Lighter led the hospital’s recent study, published this month in Clinical Infectious Diseases, which emphasized hospital patients “under 60 with a BMI over 35 were at least twice as likely to be admitted to the ICU for coronavirus than patients with healthy BMIs.”

Moreover, researchers have found that obesity is especially prevalent in the hospitalization of young people who contract the pathogen. An April 17 article published in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report underscored that of 180 patients hospitalized from March 1 to March 30, the most prevalent underlying condition was obesity – a condition that afflicted more than half.

“Specifically, patients under 60 years of age – generally considered at lower risk of developing severe COVID-19 – nonetheless are twice as likely to be hospitalized for the disease if they have a body mass index (BMI) of 30-34,” Lighter noted. “Likewise, those under 60 years of age and described as morbidly obese – a BMI of 35 and over – were twice as likely to be admitted to acute care and three times as likely to be admitted to the ICU compared to patients in the same age category with a BMI of 30 and under.”

Research compiled by the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research, which analyzed the clinical course, characteristics, and outcomes of 5,700 hospitalized COVID-19 patients between March 1, 2020, and April 4, 2020, at New York’s most extensive health system, Northwell, additionally found that some 41 percent were considered obese.

Adding to the growing obesity and coronavirus connection, preliminary data published this month by the National Library of Medicine also asserted that the pandemic is spreading rapidly in Europe and North America, where obesity is highly prevalent.

Data released by the CDC in February highlighted that national obesity levels reached 42.4 percent over the 2017-2018 period, the highest ever, with one in six children categorized as obese. About 37 percent of Americans have a BMI higher than 30, as per CDC data.

CDC - As of 2016, a staggering 39.7 percent of the United States' population is obese and 71.3 percent is either obese or overweight

Why is New Orleans' coronavirus death rate twice New York's? Obesity is a factor - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-new-yorks-obesity-is-a-factor-idUSKBN21K1B0

The coronavirus has been a far deadlier threat in New Orleans than the rest of the United States, with a per-capita death rate twice that of New York City. Doctors, public health officials and available data say the Big Easy's high levels of obesity and related ailments may be part of the problem.

New Orleans residents suffer from obesity, diabetes and hypertension at rates higher than the national average, conditions that doctors and public health officials say can make patients more vulnerable to COVID-19, the highly contagious respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus.

Obesity: The American health crisis we should be talking about

One recent tweet I saw compared South Korea’s COVID-19 death toll — 461 — with that of the United States — 232,000-plus and counting.

South Korea has a population of just over 51 million people. The United States has 330.5 million people. If all things were equal, South Korea would have lost over 3,000 people to COVID-19.

But clearly, they’re not equal. South Korea’s death rate is just 9 per 1 million people, while ours is 700 per 1 million people. That’s a staggering difference. And while our death rate per million people is not the highest (with the exception of Belgium, all the countries with higher death rates are in South America), it’s still shockingly high.

One major factor complicating the COVID-19 death toll in the U.S. is our obesity rate. Trust for America’s Health recently published a report titled “The State of Obesity 2020.” According to data available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, from 2017-2018, 42% of American adults were obese. Not merely overweight — obese. Nine percent were “severely” obese. (How do we compare with the rest of the world? America has the 12th highest obesity rate among 191 countries. South Korea, by comparison, is 183rd, with only 4.7% of its population obese.)

Just last month, Science magazine summarized the results of several recent studies. One, published by the Obesity Reviews journal, examined the medical histories of nearly 400,000 patients and showed that obese people who contracted COVID-19 were “113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.” A study conducted by Genentech examined 17,000 hospitalized COVID patients; almost 80% were overweight or obese.

The obesity factor is also increasingly being used to explain the impact COVID-19 is having on certain segments of the U.S. population. By way of example, although younger people tend not to be as seriously affected by COVID-19 as the elderly, of those killed by COVID-19 who were under age 45, more than 60% were obese. Similarly, obesity rates by ethnicity or racial identification are relevant to death rates but disproportionate to their share of the U.S. population. Non-Hispanic Blacks represent 13% of the U.S. population but have the highest COVID-19 mortality rate of any group — two times that of whites and Asians. The next highest mortality group is among indigenous peoples (less than 1% of the population), followed by Latinos (only 16.7% of the population). Asian Americans have the lowest mortality rate from COVID-19.

Correlation is not causation, but these results are closely tracking obesity rates. Non-Hispanic Blacks have the highest obesity rate in the U.S. (49.6%), followed by Native Americans (48.1%), Hispanics (44.8%) and non-Hispanic whites (42.2%). Non-Hispanic Asians have the lowest rate (17.4%).

Keep ignoring the obvious Floggy because you wanna blame the Orange Man.

We and our poor health are the #1 reason for our excess mortality. Period.

 

[Superman]

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[IndySteel]

 

[Steeltime]

Floggy, I have asked now seven times ... are you living by your pompous edicts and hiding in the basement, foregoing wages, or have you made a tidy profit from the Chinese flu?

I recall that your business involved advising care facilities so I am going with choice #2.

 

[Superman]

just imagine if Dri Archer got the Rona...

 

[Steelworth]

They also didn’t have maskhole idiots turning mask wearing into some kind a political statement.

You're all just a bunch of maskholes! Continue to be brave, Floggy. Mask up & lock up!

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Your obesity argument is nonsense. Covid doesn’t specifically target obese people. It doesn’t come close to explaining a 50X (exponential not linear!) difference.

The 'Rona doesn't target obese people but certain factors including obesity make it harder to recover from it. It can be worse if you have diabetes too. A good number of obese people are also have diabetes. I have diabetes but I've never been overweight in my life. Actually I'm rock-*******-hard with freakishly large biceps. In my case the Beetus is just genetic.
Your major risk factors are these: Old age, obesity, The Beetus, heart problems, high blood pressure.
Not that it matters, because you're an idiot. You WANT the government to tell you what to do and how to live. The government is good. The government will save me. Unless it's run by Republicans.

"Joe will save me. Tell me what do Joe, tell me!"

 

[Steeltime]

Seeing as how scaredy you are, Flog, why don't you just hide in your ******* basement and be safe?

The rest of us plan on living our lives. You don't like that? Too bad. Go **** yourself.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Seeing as how scaredy you are, Flog, why don't you just hide in your ******* basement and be safe?

The rest of us plan on living our lives. You don't like that? Too bad. Go **** yourself.

And see that's the problem with the Left. They don't WANT you to be able to live your life. They want you living your life by their rules. Plain and simple.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

And see that's the problem with the Left. They don't WANT you to be able to live your life. They want you living your life by their rules. Plain and simple.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I saw that. There are few politicians I'd love to punch. He tops the list.