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We'll pass on the first vaccine released until it's proven safe after general use. If it's optional..
Dr. Drew – Stop freaking out…
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Stop listening to journalists. They don't know what they're talking about."<a href="https://twitter.com/drdrew?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DrDrew</a> went on with <a href="https://twitter.com/LarryOConnor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LarryOConnor</a> slamming the media for drumming up panic surrounding the coronavirus, urging Americans to listen to Dr. Fauci and the <a href="https://twitter.com/CDCgov?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CDCgov</a>. <a href="https://t.co/omd3CKXrBn">pic.twitter.com/omd3CKXrBn</a></p>— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) <a href="https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1238972892760682496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Stop listening to journalists. They don't know what they're talking about."<a href="https://twitter.com/drdrew?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DrDrew</a> went on with <a href="https://twitter.com/LarryOConnor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LarryOConnor</a> slamming the media for drumming up panic surrounding the coronavirus, urging Americans to listen to Dr. Fauci and the <a href="https://twitter.com/CDCgov?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CDCgov</a>. <a href="https://t.co/omd3CKXrBn">pic.twitter.com/omd3CKXrBn</a></p>— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) <a href="https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1238972892760682496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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The vaccine will be safe. The bigger question is will it be effective.
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Trials? Trial it on a million people first and we will see how it works.
I havent taken a regular flu shot for over a decade and never got the flu. Im not letting these cut rate lab monkey handlers anywhere near me with that ****.
It'll re-hatch inside people for years and reinfect them like locusts, lol
I havent taken a regular flu shot for over a decade and never got the flu. Im not letting these cut rate lab monkey handlers anywhere near me with that ****.
It'll re-hatch inside people for years and reinfect them like locusts, lol
That's a shame, Tibs. Good luck to you, your family and your co-workers & employees. I got a message today from a popular food delivery service called GrubHub that said dine-in restaurant traffic has dropped approximately 75% (not sure if that's national or regional), but that's a crushing blow to any restaurant. They (GH) said they are going to waive typical fees they charge these restaurants to try & help them salvage whatever business they can, and that the restaurants are going to try and adopt a more food delivery services approach. Perhaps you can do this as well. Again, good luck.
Unreal what this is going to do to so many hard-working people.
That gives me a little more perspective of your viewpoint. I think you do like to stir the pot, but I guess we all deal with things differently--and one thing's for sure, we're all in this shitstorm together.
Now if you'll excuse me, I found some old Jack in the Box napkins in the doodad cabinet we can finally go wipe with.
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Like I said Tim, listen to the experts, not Trump
Top infectious disease expert warns multitudes could die if Americans don't act
When asked if hundreds of thousands of Americans could die from coronavirus, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, said “it could happen, and it could be worse."
Fauci's comments were made this morning on CNN’s “State of the Union” where he also discussed how the challenge "is to try and make that not happen.”
“If we go about our daily lives and not worry about everything” then the death toll will be high," Fauci said. “People sometimes think that I’m overreacting. I like it when people are thinking I’m overreacting because that means we’re doing it just right.”
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-2-03-15-20-intl-hnk/index.html
Top infectious disease expert warns multitudes could die if Americans don't act
When asked if hundreds of thousands of Americans could die from coronavirus, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, said “it could happen, and it could be worse."
Fauci's comments were made this morning on CNN’s “State of the Union” where he also discussed how the challenge "is to try and make that not happen.”
“If we go about our daily lives and not worry about everything” then the death toll will be high," Fauci said. “People sometimes think that I’m overreacting. I like it when people are thinking I’m overreacting because that means we’re doing it just right.”
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-2-03-15-20-intl-hnk/index.html
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Holy ****! I’m starting to agree. Worlds are colliding!
Cuomo on 60 minutes just said you can’t put a value on human life... like it doesn’t happen all the time with insurance companies and corporations, often in the same courtroom.
Average CoronaVirus death is 80. AVERAGE! 80! To what extent are we going to quarantine, isolate, cancel and ruin our economy in what is largely an attempt to extend the lives of people who are definitely on the 17th or 18th hole of life? The next two weeks? Fine. Two more weeks after that? OK. Several months or a year? Hold on!
Preclinical or clinical trials?
Like I said Tim, listen to the experts, not Trump
Top infectious disease expert warns multitudes could die if Americans don't act
When asked if hundreds of thousands of Americans could die from coronavirus, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, said “it could happen, and it could be worse."
Fauci's comments were made this morning on CNN’s “State of the Union” where he also discussed how the challenge "is to try and make that not happen.”
“If we go about our daily lives and not worry about everything” then the death toll will be high," Fauci said. “People sometimes think that I’m overreacting. I like it when people are thinking I’m overreacting because that means we’re doing it just right.”
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-2-03-15-20-intl-hnk/index.html
Did you see Fauci Friday during the presser with Trump? He was very encouraging. Notice he says "could" if we don't act. We are acting. Hell, we are damned near shut down. I'm MORE concerned about the long term results of our moratorium. Like for instance Tibs and his business and 120 lives. Business, like mine, will begin laying off. This could be profound. And in the end it "could" be less severe on humans than your favorite word - the flu.
I'm currently more worried about what "may" be our over-reaction. Maybe it will all be justified. Time will tell.
Dead wrong about what exactly? Everything is ok where I am, with my family and friends, and everything seems to be ok with everyone here (except Spike). Seems like he's right so far as we/re all concerned.
Imagine how this would be going if we had some open-borders democrat in charge for the past 3 years....
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https://apnews.com/8089a3d0ec8f9fde971bddd7b3aa2ba1
WASHINGTON (AP) — A clinical trial evaluating a vaccine designed to protect against the new coronavirus will begin Monday, according to a government official.
The first participant in the trial will receive the experimental vaccine on Monday, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the trial has not been publicly announced yet. The National Institutes of Health is funding the trial, which is taking place at the Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute in Seattle, the official said.
Public health officials say it will take a year to 18 months to fully validate any potential vaccine. Testing will begin with 45 young, healthy volunteers with different doses of shots co-developed by NIH and Moderna Inc. There’s no chance participants could get infected from the shots, because they don’t contain the virus itself. The goal is purely to check that the vaccines show no worrisome side effects, setting the stage for larger tests.
WASHINGTON (AP) — A clinical trial evaluating a vaccine designed to protect against the new coronavirus will begin Monday, according to a government official.
The first participant in the trial will receive the experimental vaccine on Monday, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the trial has not been publicly announced yet. The National Institutes of Health is funding the trial, which is taking place at the Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute in Seattle, the official said.
Public health officials say it will take a year to 18 months to fully validate any potential vaccine. Testing will begin with 45 young, healthy volunteers with different doses of shots co-developed by NIH and Moderna Inc. There’s no chance participants could get infected from the shots, because they don’t contain the virus itself. The goal is purely to check that the vaccines show no worrisome side effects, setting the stage for larger tests.
Yeah I'm not as worried about this virus as I am the human overreaction to it. I'm worried about my elderly family members of course, but what could get real ugly here is the amount of panic that's going to cripple a lot of people economically.
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The claim that the virus was under control. It clearly is not. Cases increasing by the day, no vaccine... that old chestnut. It’s worldwide, it came by plane, not across the border.
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Human trials for a potential vaccine to prevent COVID-19 could begin “within a few weeks” with a vaccine ready for public use within the next 12 to 18 months. - Dr. Anthony Fauci
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/hum...s-vaccine-could-begin-within-a-few-weeks.html
Google doc says 1943 anti-malarial works on the Covit.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...JAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...JAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
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Went to two grocery stores. Publix&Winn Dixie. Both zero TP with shipments coming Tuesday. Also all of the bread gone, even ******* rye bread..rubbing alcohol all gone..milk just about gone...most of the meat. Older guy at the store was beside himself in disbelief. I told him it's actually hilarious. Thanks TV. You got em worked up good.
If we ever have something much worse go on in the future. You had better be armed. We're just a light switch away from total chaos.
If we ever have something much worse go on in the future. You had better be armed. We're just a light switch away from total chaos.
For all of you, read the transcript of what Dr. Drew said. ESPECIALLY you Spike. This should be MANDATORY reading in this thread and reposted till this unfounded hysteria ends.
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Dr. Drew: I don’t claim to know what’s motivating the media but my god their reporting is absolutely reprehensible. They should be ashamed of themselves. They are creating a panic that is far worse than the viral outbreak. The bottom line everybody is listen to Anthony Fauci of the CDC, do what he tells ya and go about your business. That’s the story.
There’s not one doctor I’ve spoken to who disagrees with me, not one. I ran into an agreement with Dr. Oz last night. He was saying the same thing. We’re all telling you the same thing. STOP LISTENING TO JOURNALISTS. They don’t know what they’re talking about. Listen to the CDC, listen to Anthony Fauci, and do not listen to anybody else. This is the job of those people. They are highly trained professionals. They know what they’re doing. Just follow their directions.
You know I saw a CNN reporter this morning talking to an infectious disease doctor from Vanderbilt, a very fine infectious disease doctor, but I wanted to scream at him: Tell these people to STOP. Tell the press to STOP.
They went “Oh, my God, what about the testing? We don’t have testing!” And the doctor just simply, calmly went: “No, no, we have private and public testing. We’re rolling it out. We have the same as other countries.” (Dr. Drew pretending to be media) “Oh, but we don’t, we don’t!”
Shut up.
We do.
And by the way, you don’t test people willy-nilly. The way medical tests are done is you have criteria for the test, doctors determine that criteria, you apply the test.
Testing randomly is called a screening test, but then that’s no longer a diagnostic test. You do diagnostic tests when the index of suspicion of the illness is high. Otherwise, you just don’t test. If you have an index of suspicion that is moderate, you tell people to stay home. That’s it.
It’s awful that people get sick. I know, I got H1N1. It sucked. I treated people with it. It was awful. And we have another awful virus circulating around now and, by the way, if you combine corona and influenza this year, it’s still just a moderate flu season. It’s not even a severe flu season.
So all these horror stories about a lack of ventilators and hospital beds being full, that is total B.S. Total B.S.
Do not be alarmed by the word “pandemic” which the CNN reporter seemed to discover this morning…Let me translate for you the word “pandemic.” “Pandemic” is a, is a technical term that means: A. A new virus, B. Widespread. Do you think we have that? Yes we do. Can you name for me the last pandemic? Well, we had one 10 years ago. It was the H1N1 and oh my God, did the world come to an end then? I actually got H1N1, it was brutal. I don’t like the fact that people have to get sick. But we are biological beings and we have these viral outbreaks and we’re in one now. We don’t have treatments. We don’t have vaccines yet, though we will. In the meantime, we have containment. And contain it we will. Period.
Wash your hands. Get your flu shot. That should be the story. Wash your hands. Get your flu shot. Every sentence should end with that. Because you’re way, orders of magnitude, more likely to die of the flu than the coronavirus. We have 18,000 dead from the flu, 280,000 hospitalized so far in this country. We have 26 dead from coronavirus. Which should you be more concerned about? Tell me that, just do the math.
If you are over the age of 70, maybe over the age of 65, particularly if you have any chronic medical conditions, and if you are a smoker over 50, you should be behaving differently than the rest of us. You should be, essentially, staying home for awhile. You shouldn’t be going to public events. You should do some social distancing. For a couple weeks until this thing blows over. And that’s it.
The rest of us? Go about your business.
I’m traveling all over the country this week, and the planes are full, the airports are full, people are wearing masks, foolishly.
Why is anybody listening to anybody else? This is a medical problem.
Did you hop into the H1N1 epidemic? Were you guys all involved with that? Were you criticizing the CDC and the Government during the H1N1 epidemic? That one was WORSE. Where were you guys? We couldn’t have done it with you. Oh wait a minute. We did fine. You don’t even remember it.
Listen the story should be: The World Health Organization and the CDC and the equivalent agencies in the various countries across the world should be taking a bow. We should be tipping our hats to them for doing an extraordinary job. We have a new illness. We identified it. We know the epidemiology. We created a test for it. We don’t yet have a vaccine and a treatment but it’s underway and in the meantime we are containing it. They should take a bow. We should be tipping our hats to them.
Could things have been done faster? Always. Always. That’s the way medicine is. We contemplate. We think. We try to do no harm before we jump in. This is like saying: “The surgeon took too long to do the operation. The surgery worked out great, but I wish he’d been, you know, not spent the last two hours thinking about the risk and benefit of that surgery.”
This is insanity. This is a level of insanity that has me angry. This is not…the medical profession is fine with it. Well, yeah, yeah, a little bit faster would’ve been good. A little more private sector involvement would’ve been good. Yeah.
Larry: In a few weeks, this is going to phase out. Is that just because there is a flu season and you expect the COVID-19 to, for of follow the same timeline as your typical flu season?
Dr Drew: I don’t expect it. I guarantee it. Viruses have a life. They come on, they grow, they plate and they go away. There’s a time chorus to the lifecycle of every influenza, every viral outbreak. And we are in the uptick right now, we are about to hit the plateau, we will contain, and then it will start to die out. It takes heat, it take humidity, and it will go away.
If this gets into the homeless population, well, if the government would like to spend some of that $8Billion, why don’ they go and take care of the most vulnerable population we have in the country which are people who are immunocompromised, living in concentrated environments, not vaccinated, with no sanitation. We have 60,000 of them in Los Angeles. If this gets into that population, I will sing a different tune.
Larry: But Dr. Drew, I just saw the Governor of California take to his Twitter feed and give everyone instructions about how to properly wash their hands. That should solve the problem there in the homeless population right?
Dr. Drew: Oh yeah that’ll be the end of it. We got no problem. There, they, they’re washing their hands in the LA river with all the excrement and urine and blood that pours off our streets…That should be perfect.
Wait. Wasn’t it you that called everyone who wasn’t buying your **** anti-vaxxers? Few pages back. Put down the jack and go check.
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Yeah, at this stage it's not just the virus itself that's the problem, it's the overriding global economic and social effect that it's having. I mean nothing like this has happened in our lifetimes, that countries are shutting down borders - and businesses - to deal with a pandemic.
Amazing to see it move from country to country, first China, Iran and Italy, then throughout Europe & stateside, and the rest of the world.
We were - and are - fortunate we never had to live through world wars, with bombs raining down, bread lines and the like. Our parents and grandparents did.
This situation right now is about as close to that as anything - at least here in Europe. With shops & schools shut down, people holed up at home. Hopefully it doesn't get too bad in the States. But maybe that's the ticket, that's what should be happening, as far as the urgency involved. Take it seriously, get ahead of it, don't let it get out of control. The deaths in Italy right now are around 250-300 per day, last three days running. That's a lot of people dying from an upper-respiratory illness with no vaccine in sight. Same in Spain, where it's ramped up significantly past 72 hours.
I hope it stays relatively isolated in the US, and testing and other measures help limit the spread. Good luck to you all, stay safe and healthy.
Amazing to see it move from country to country, first China, Iran and Italy, then throughout Europe & stateside, and the rest of the world.
We were - and are - fortunate we never had to live through world wars, with bombs raining down, bread lines and the like. Our parents and grandparents did.
This situation right now is about as close to that as anything - at least here in Europe. With shops & schools shut down, people holed up at home. Hopefully it doesn't get too bad in the States. But maybe that's the ticket, that's what should be happening, as far as the urgency involved. Take it seriously, get ahead of it, don't let it get out of control. The deaths in Italy right now are around 250-300 per day, last three days running. That's a lot of people dying from an upper-respiratory illness with no vaccine in sight. Same in Spain, where it's ramped up significantly past 72 hours.
I hope it stays relatively isolated in the US, and testing and other measures help limit the spread. Good luck to you all, stay safe and healthy.
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No I cant stand to listen to Trump, i have a confession, Ive never listened to more than a minute of any of his rallies in the last 4 years, but dont tell Tibs that.
Time will be important, the first big wave should hit us in a week or 10 days, then if we weather that OK, 3-4 weeks after that things should get back to more normal.
I dont think we'll need a run on backhoes to build mass graves anywhere, but we could lose Seattle, SF, N.O. MIAMI and parts of NY
so, give it a month
I think we do better than europe cuz we so spread out naturally, but we got tons more people, and virtually nobody has been tested
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