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Taking or rights away with man made virus and scare tactics
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There will be many, many more. Hundreds of thousands will get it and never even be tested.
Meanwhile...
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...u-s-flu-season-beginning-to-ease-modelers-say
I capitulated today. For the first time in 30 years of investing in my IRA and religiously "staying the course" I jumped off the sinking ship and got the hell out of anything stock related. Just can't see much of any upside the next couple quarters, and a hell of a lot of down side risk if it gets worse.
I guess the 4th time is a charm since I seen the dot com, 9/11, 08 financial and now the corona virus set me back years in retirement investing.
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right, which means the failure of the federal government to start early testing means its out in the wild in massive numbers of the population now
US is failing on testing, says Fauci
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51860529
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Early Coronavirus Testing Failures Will Cost Lives
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-coronavirus-testing-failures-will-cost-lives
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right, which means the failure of the federal government to start early testing means its out in the wild in massive numbers of the population now
US is failing on testing, says Fauci
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51860529
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Early Coronavirus Testing Failures Will Cost Lives
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-coronavirus-testing-failures-will-cost-lives
Let's try to apply a little logic here, ok?
Most people who get tested, either from the flu or any other contagious illness, are sick enough to require a doctor's care. By that time, they have already exposed dozens if not hundreds of people! This idea that we could have somehow stopped the spread of this by testing...testing who? Everyone with a cough? Everyone with a fever? Everyone who spent time with someone who spent time with someone who spent time with someone who had it? Everyone in the world?
Everyone's touting S. Korea as the model here, oh their death rate is so low. Yes, it's low because they are testing a bunch of people who aren't sick and we are testing mostly people who are!
Yes, social isolation will slow the spread. It would slow the spread of flu too but for some reason no one has ever cared about that. Despite 300,000-500,000 hospitalizations and 20.000-40.000 deaths per year.
Do you have an explanation for that? Or are you just going to keep posting the latest scary sounding news story to keep us all in a panic and ignore these facts?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
Interesting read on social distancing. They say unchecked and at the current rate of doubling every three days we would have 100 million cases of Coronavirus by May.
Interesting read on social distancing. They say unchecked and at the current rate of doubling every three days we would have 100 million cases of Coronavirus by May.
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Ssssssssssssh, you'll spook the herd!
Lol......just a bit of a difference.
They are closing it seems everything in my neck of the woods (Vancouver). From skiing at Whistler Mountain to Lu Lu Lemon to Dentists. I went and got a haircut today figured they wouldn’t be too far behind. Restaurants and all bars closed tomorrow for St.Patricks day. I feel bad for my son......a few weeks till he graduates from university,been a long road. He misses out on the fun of the last couple of weeks with his fellow students. He will never be able to get that back,but that’s minor. Both parents are in nursing homes/ retirement communities. They strongly suggest no visitation.
The shopping situation is almost hilarious. Hopefully not to sound racist,we have a strong Asian population here in Vancouver. The way they fill up their carts with everything they can get their hands on in multiple,it’s just unreal. Sorry,but you just can’t help but notice. Lots of shelves empty,but they seem to be able to restock. I am glad I am on my own now......the days of feeding 4 kids are behind me. It would be much more of a headache. Macdonald’s,Tim Horton’s,Starbucks all takeout or drive through only. Our Cruiseship season wiped out....big bucks gone. Can you imagine what Japan must be thinking with the Olympics coming up?
It’s going to be an interesting next few weeks. It doesn’t really matter if you believe it to be just another flu or not. There will be a world of hurt going on economically. And it will take quite some time to recover. I think,unfortunately,the fun has just begun in North America. There has never been another situation like this in the history of our time,strictly because of a little thing called the Internet.
As I was sitting this weekend,pissed off the NHL playoffs are toast,The Masters kaput,no sports on TV,I started to reflect.
I remembered being in Berlin a week after the wall fell. Going into the grocery store to shop and seeing people crying because they couldn’t believe the selection the west had. Being in Moscow for an exchange in the 80’s. People lined up for blocks every day for loaves of bread,every day staples. I had never seen anything like it in my life. I am the son of an immigrant. My Mom & Dad going day after day as young children without any food,during WW2. Never mind the other atrocities they saw & experienced on a weekly basis.
I know I am just rambling on. I used to get mad at my Dad. He would say my generation was too soft. Too selfish. I would say....Dad if we were put in the same situation we would be just as tough because we would have no choice. Now in no way do I compare this to the war years,but I do wonder about our toughness. Here I am pissed off about no sports selection on my tv,and as I went to get my selection of what must have been about 30 different choices of bread at the grocery store a woman yelled at everyone loudly SOCIAL DISTANCE,SOCIAL DISTANCE.!!
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Why South Korea has so few coronavirus deaths while Italy has so many
In South Korea, the rate of testing has been quite high and its mortality among those infected quite low
By contrast, Italy's mortality among those with diagnosed infection is much, much higher
So why does Korea, the poster child of testing, have so few deaths while Italy and its late-to-the-table testing program have so many? Is it only because more testing brings mild cases into the "infected" group, diluting the statistical impact of the handful of the very ill?
Doubtful. For now, it is because of vast differences in the affected patients. Soon and increasingly, it also will be due to overwhelmed hospitals and doctors and nurses.
Which is probably bad news for those hoping that the United States, which is currently way, way behind in testing for coronavirus, can somehow test itself out of the mess.
Plenty has already been written about how the population of Italy differs from much of the world. According to a UN report in 2015, 28.6% of the Italian population was 60 years old or older (second in the world after Japan at 33%). This compares to South Korea, where 18.5% of the population is at least 60 years of age, ranking 53rd globally.
The impact of this disparity is quickly shown in the analysis of coronavirus deaths in each county. In Italy, 90% of the more than 1,000 deaths occur in those 70 or older.
By contrast, the outbreak in South Korea has occurred among much younger people. There, only 20% of cases have been diagnosed in those 60 years old and up. The largest affected group is those in their 20s, who account for almost 30% of all cases.
Then there is gender. The gender split in COVID-19 cases worldwide is about 50-50, but there are gender differences in survival. According to data from the original outbreak in China, the overall death rate is 4.7% in men versus 2.8% in women -- a whopping difference. Which is good news for South Korea, where 62% of cases occur among women.
Smoking is another factor clearly associated with poor survival. Smoking rates are about the same between the two countries: 24% for Italians and 27% for South Koreans.
But gender differences among smokers are widely different: In Italy, 28% of men versus 20% of women smoke, while in Korea, it is about 50% of men and less than 5% of women.
In other words, South Korea has an outbreak among youngish, non-smoking women, whereas Italy's disease is occurring among the old and the very old, many of whom are smokers.
These basic demographic distinctions explain the difference in death rates between these two hard-hit countries -- as well as helping to explain why Seattle, with its nursing home outbreak, accounts for such a large proportion of US coronavirus deaths.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opin...oronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html
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Like I said, Trump's Virus is a BOOMER REMOVER, even worse, a SMOKING MEN BOOMER REMOVER
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Yes my child, what is it you ask of me?
I am feeling benevolent today, nay, you do not have to avert your eyes, my vengeance is only for those Flu Bro deniers
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Want to hear something really scary?
Those graph curves are reality
On Mar 2 , two weeks ago, we had 100 cases
Today we have 4661 cases
So follow that exponential curve for two weeks from now and you get about 75,000 cases
So is sitting at home on your couch for a couple weeks to try to blunt that growth, flatten that curve, such a bad thing?
There is nothing we can do, the horse has left the barn long, long ago and its just dragging us along in the dirt as it picks up speed.
As Trump now says, "It's bad" How long? "July, August"
I remember W. Boosh sending me a stimulus check for $360.
Our governor is a dolt. You CAN NOT order people to shelter in place AND close all the liquor stores. On FB even my gay Libtard cousin agreed with me.
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Can't u buy beer n wine in grocery stores or have it delivered?
I mean u can't have raging alkys with the DTs roaming the streets looking for a fix, not at a time like this
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I went in to Wal-Mart this morning on my way to work to check out the carnage. Parking lot was full. People are in there bulk buying **** for the simple fact that it is available. Only two sections were largely unscathed. Mexican food and Ice cream. Only canned vegetable left was peas and canned spinach. No meat. No TP or paper towels. No dairy. No lunchmeat. No frozen vegetables. Hot dogs were wiped out. Oh, plenty of beer available, so I guess that is a plus.
This **** is insane. People are straight up panicked. You can just feel how uneasy everything is. When they shut everything down, and they will, it is going to be ugly. I can see looting, robbery, murder and **** like that being rampant. Buckle up. This **** is going to get much worse before it gets better.
This **** is insane. People are straight up panicked. You can just feel how uneasy everything is. When they shut everything down, and they will, it is going to be ugly. I can see looting, robbery, murder and **** like that being rampant. Buckle up. This **** is going to get much worse before it gets better.
At the risk of being repetitive, I'll just say that it's starting to smell like a rat.
http://www.steelernationforums.com/...navirus-so-far&p=711799&viewfull=1#post711799
And this has been the correct position bit for years We have flubbed it....
When a new virus shows up that we don’t understand, quarantine the area, initiate travel bans and quarantine people with potential exposure
As soon as testing is available test everyone with symptoms or exposure...
If it breaks containment do extensive testing with everyone who shows symptoms.. this shows how widespread it has become and takes away the fear factor....
If tge casualty possibility is severe isolate and quarantine
when available, Vaccinate medical workers first and foremost, then the high risk targets, then everyone else
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I would hope that it would never get that bad.The hysteria is completely unnecessary. Thanks media. I do have the proper tools. I'm fortunate to live in a very nice area that is also filled with active and former military. I do live off of Gen.Roy Stanley Geiger Memorial Parkway. He's from here. A lot of retired Marines here. A ton of Army as well. With 2 Naval Air Stations that pretty much rounds out my community. All is good.
I do have my AR-14-47 ghost gun..haha and plenty of ammo should outsiders who have lost their mind start ****. The neighborhoods would pull together in a flash.
That's only if this nonsense rolls on for more than a few weeks. I'm pretty sure society will lose its marbles after a month .
I think it's all pretty ridiculous.
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As I said numerous times, we are going to get lots and lots and lots of cases. We have had 30-50 million cases of flu just this season, yet for some reason we don't get breathless reporting of every new daily number of cases.
No, staying home is not such a bad thing. It will slow the spread of both. But there is also still no reason for most people to panic. But you seem to really want to, so I'm not going to keep trying to convince you otherwise.
A HUGE upside to all this bullshit is that traffic on my to work this morning was about 25% of what it normally is.