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The Coronavirus thread

It is becoming more likely, with IRS deferring tax day for 90 days, some rents and utilities being "stayed" for 30, 60 days, that as the economics of "shelter in place" or "stop the world" take effect, it is really like economic time is slowed or stopped.

I think over the next short while, days, you will have gubmints around the world "stopping time" by agreeing to pay the carry costs to banks, utilities, landlords AND conveying cash to people for food/staples.

So hold your plans to sell.

If you really want to get terrified, imagine who could/would buy in the next short while. Warren Buffett won't buy your house; a guy like you might --- but he is in a similar place that you are right now. The **** will start to hit the fan with Real Estate closings very soon, because the buyers will just pull away because they have to. Don't worry because this systemic effect is easily known by the financial community and the Fed (thank you Bwarney Fwank) because of the last crisis.

It will not be easy, but hold on to your easily accessible cash, and just ride out the formal $ obligations for a bit. The big airlines survive on their short term cash flow (float) and the gubmint is going to shower them with $ soon. And folks not getting paid and unable to make mortgage payments is exactly the same issue --- and Delta doesn't vote, but you do.

So hold on tight, the rollercoaster ride is in progress, and we are going to go thru the loop-de-loop --- and get upside down for a bit. Try not to lose your lunch, but if you do, just remember that everyone like you is also on the same ride, and that it will one day end.

The bank doesn't want your house, and they don't want your last $1,000. They want you back to work, paying them a mortgage every month. They want you to brush your teeth, have 3 meals, AND wash your hands, every day. And watch the Steeler get SB 7!!

Ain't life grand!

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Sarge said:
Oh go **** yourself you little worm. I get so tired of your preachy, holier than thou nonsense. I don’t know how you figure I don’t want to see “the latest facts and figures” from what I posted. I was just giving you a little grief, but I am about done being the nice guy when tough little keyboard warriors like you cuss me in these threads. Stand in front of me and speak to me like that, and you’ll be eating through a ******* straw. Stomach that. Fuckstain.
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Watch out or he will be calling you a Nazi and a RACIST next.
 
Ironcitysteelers said:
The sheer panic of shut it down is going g to **** so many folks. Tell the bank **** you call the govt.
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Wonder if the head of CDC was one of the idiots hoarding toilet paper. Just seems like a nuclear move when precision strikes would have worked better but what the hell do I know, I'm potentially a few weeks away from living under a bridge. And things were going so well too. :)
 
Steelworth said:
Madonna has an important update on Covid-19 all:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No-Discrimination- Covid-19!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/quarantine?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#quarantine</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/covid_19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#covid_19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/staysafe?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#staysafe</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/becreative?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#becreative</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/brianeno?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#brianeno</a> <a href="https://t.co/tvdzeJ7vv9">pic.twitter.com/tvdzeJ7vv9</a></p>— Madonna (@Madonna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Madonna/status/1241768707631841281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"It's the great equalizer!" As she sits in a milk bath with rose petals and harp music playing in the background. :lol:
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That woman has lost whatever marbles she ever had.
 
JMM said:
In New York?

Would be interesting if we could post actual cases of folks we know and some background/outcome. Personally, I don't know anyone who has it. We are feeling the effects though as my wife was laid off from her dental office and we will probably have to sell our home
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Talk to your bank. I know our local bankers have been working long hours putting in place plans for loan forgiveness and how they are handling this crisis. The Bank wants your money, not your home. I would be surprised if they don't have mechanisms in place by now to let you slide on payments until the threat is over. Maybe it's just my small town banks coming together, but I doubt it. Have a converstaion and see what relief they can offer.
 
Gareth said:
Talk to your bank. I know our local bankers have been working long hours putting in place plans for loan forgiveness and how they are handling this crisis. The Bank wants your money, not your home. I would be surprised if they don't have mechanisms in place by now to let you slide on payments until the threat is over. Maybe it's just my small town banks coming together, but I doubt it. Have a converstaion and see what relief they can offer.
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Thanks. I'm fortunately still working so I'll have her get on the horn tomorrow with our mortgage lender and Honda Finance. She did file for unemployment yesterday but not sure how much that will help. We simply bought too much of a house, that's on us. After 2008, we should have known better.

This is definitely a life lesson for those youngsters out there. Save your money and try paying cash for everything. And watch your **** in an election year if a Republican is in office. No doubt some weird **** will happen.
 
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I'm going to work tomorrow, just like have been. Everyone else could too and things would be back to normal. The numbers ARE NOT THERE to warrant this overblown panic. Triple them. Quadruple them. It's still just a drop in the bucket.
 
IndySteel said:
I'm going to work tomorrow, just like have been. Everyone else could too and things would be back to normal. The numbers ARE NOT THERE to warrant this overblown panic. Triple them. Quadruple them. It's still just a drop in the bucket.
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Wish I could too but my employer has mandated that out office is closed and everyone must work from home.

We are practicing safe practices like Mom and Dad taught us years ago. Wash your hands, don't touch you'd face and stay away from folks who are hacking. We'll either live through this zombie apocalypse or not. Betting we will but if not, so it goes.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Once again you entirely missed the point of why this is not the same. It is not just about total numbers or deaths, Flu season while horrible and deadly is spread out over a much more gentle curve and stays within the bounds of what our medical system can handle in almost all cases but it does strain them. This without these controls put in place would do to our medical system what it is doing in other countries and that is an overwhelming need for ventilators due to the much more severe respiratory issue associated with the severe cases. If you don't do what we are doing you will have a lot of deaths that can be prevented simply by slowing the progression of infections and minimizing the number of people with severe cases and needing ventilators at the same time. It is not the flu, with the proper behaviors and actions it won't be a big deal and that is the ******* point of what we are doing! If in the near future we have some treatments and a lot more ICU beds with ventilators the equation starts to change. Do you want to tell your parents sorry you will die because we don't have enough beds with ventilators and I could not stay home? That is what is happening in Italy and why so many are dying. It isn't because the disease is that deadly with proper treatment it is the total amount of cases overwhelming the system and keeping them from getting treatment.
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This makes a lot of sense.

Yet once again I flip flop after reading what Tim posted.

To this point per the World O Meter, there are less than 323,000 cases of COVID-19 in the entire WORLD.
We, the USA, may have already hospitalized 370,000 flu patients in less than 3 months........

And our healthcare system didn't crumble. We didn't run out of ventilators.

How is it we have the health care capacity to treat the flu, but not COVID-19, given the numbers? How can you tell me we CANNOT treat COVID when we have currently 30,239 cases nationwide, yet in two months we HOSPITALIZED nearly 400,000 people due to flu.
 
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Im fine with this week and next being a full fledged shutdown
We are about to reach the junction where a bunch of doctors and nurses get it en mass. Thats the bottleneck point we have to get through, but after another week of wide open testing the death rate should drop considerably and we can get a consensus plan to move on and start normalizing things... a 3 week shutdown will have seriously curtailed the spread... a 4 week one should ice it completely... 4 might be too much overkill, so this week, next week, maybe one more tops... that pretty much kills it, then we can deal with the aftermath of the overreaction....


Mandatory shutdown for two more weeks.. with the option for a third, testing to all essential employees. 3 week paid quarantine for all infected. Then Toss this thing into the history books, make the vaccine available, and move on
 
Stewey said:
This makes a lot of sense.

Yet once again I flip flop after reading what Tim posted.

To this point per the World O Meter, there are less than 323,000 cases of COVID-19 in the entire WORLD.
We, the USA, may have already hospitalized 370,000 flu patients in less than 3 months........

And our healthcare system didn't crumble. We didn't run out of ventilators.

How is it we have the health care capacity to treat the flu, but not COVID-19, given the numbers? How can you tell me we CANNOT treat COVID when we have currently 30,239 cases nationwide, yet in two months we HOSPITALIZED nearly 400,000 people due to flu.
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Various government and health officials have predicted 40-60% of the population could eventually contract COVID-19. You can contest that stat, but if they’re right, it’s a hell of a lot more than 31 million flu cases and 400,000 hospitalizations.
 
Troglodyte said:
Various government and health officials have predicted 40-60% of the population could eventually contract COVID-19. You can contest that stat, but if they’re right, it’s a hell of a lot more than 31 million flu cases and 400,000 hospitalizations.
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Could. If. See, that is part of the problem. We just don't know. I guess that in and of itself is kinda frightening, but what we have seen so far does not warrant the panic it has produced. Look, I don't know what this disease will do. Nobody does. But we went straight to the worst case scenario before we reached that point. Countries in Asia are showing us the way, but being American, we are going to make this **** much harder than it has to be.
 
Troglodyte said:
Various government and health officials have predicted 40-60% of the population could eventually contract COVID-19. You can contest that stat, but if they’re right, it’s a hell of a lot more than 31 million flu cases and 400,000 hospitalizations.
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Getting the flu, and
having a near death experience are not the same thing. Stop the bs equivalency between people getting the flu and massive deaths.
Do not be a ********; try to resist your inner twatwaffle

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Troglodyte said:
Various government and health officials have predicted 40-60% of the population could eventually contract COVID-19. You can contest that stat, but if they’re right, it’s a hell of a lot more than 31 million flu cases and 400,000 hospitalizations.
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Pure speculation.

What % of people on the planet have already had it and didn't know it? What % of those that get it will require hospitalization? How will that compare to the flu?

Until we know, we don't know and as of now, with China's numbers falling, with the South Korean example, we have much hope to believe we are going to get ahead of this. And even if that many get it, for the vast majority it's a minor issue.
 
Troglodyte said:
Various government and health officials have predicted 40-60% of the population could eventually contract COVID-19. You can contest that stat, but if they’re right, it’s a hell of a lot more than 31 million flu cases and 400,000 hospitalizations.
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Flip flop aborted.

Trog...60% of 300,000,000 people is 180,000,000 people/cases.

Does that sound realistic to you considering China had 84,000 cases?

Those "various government and health officials" surely had to have been "guesstimating" as did this official from Ohio, who said Ohio had 100,000 cases.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...esstimating-statement-that-100000-people-have

Speaking of China, some good news!

Most people who contract the novel coronavirus experience mild symptoms, according to data from China, where the worst of the epidemic now appears to be over.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/health/covid-19-recovery-rates-intl/index.html
 
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Confluence said:
Getting the flu, and
having a near death experience are not the same thing. Stop the bs equivalency between people getting the flu and massive deaths.
Do not be a ********; try to resist your inner twatwaffle

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Then why aren’t you criticizing Trump for today’s massive overreaction?

If the model proves to be true in NYC alone, it could be 100,000 dead. I don’t know where this thing is headed. If you’re so cocksure, why don’t you go on record as to what the final tally will be?
 
Stewey said:
Flip flop aborted.

Trog...60% of 300,000,000 people is 180,000,000 people/cases.

Does that sound realistic to you considering China had 84,000 cases?

Those "various government and health officials" surely had to have been "guesstimating" as did this official from Ohio, who said Ohio had 100,000 cases.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...esstimating-statement-that-100000-people-have
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Possibly. China used draconian measures to stop the spread that make what we are doing look like a Sunday picnic. We would revolt if they tried to do to us what they did to their own citizens but it was very effective. Also I don't believe the numbers coming out of China. I think they had many more deaths than are being reported and more cases. They are trying to protect their manufacturing base. If the truth were known it would hasten the exodus of foreign companies and their investments.
 
Troglodyte said:
Then why aren’t you criticizing Trump for today’s massive overreaction?

If the model proves to be true in NYC alone, it could be 100,000 dead. I don’t know where this thing is headed. If you’re so cocksure, why don’t you go on record as to what the final tally will be?
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The problem is as I have stated repeatedly the more successful we are in these measures the more they will look unnecessary. I don't think we will see that high a fatality in NYC with the antivirals being introduced Tuesday.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Pure speculation.

What % of people on the planet have already had it and didn't know it? What % of those that get it will require hospitalization? How will that compare to the flu?

Until we know, we don't know and as of now, with China's numbers falling, with the South Korean example, we have much hope to believe we are going to get ahead of this. And even if that many get it, for the vast majority it's a minor issue.
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I cant fathom the 40-60%, at least not nationally. I hope you’re right but we don’t have China’s controls and South Korea was a lot more on top of this than the US was. I’ll be more optimistic once the day over day numbers drop from 50% increases.
 
Troglodyte said:
Then why aren’t you criticizing Trump for today’s massive overreaction?

If the model proves to be true in NYC alone, it could be 100,000 dead. I don’t know where this thing is headed. If you’re so cocksure, why don’t you go on record as to what the final tally will be?
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Why are you asking others to predict an actual number when you throw out hypotheticals? "If"....."could be..." and "I don't know where this thing is headed..." but you pin the tail on the donkey. Got it.
 
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