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These things are being done in preparation, not response. Hopefully, they will look mostly the same in 10-15 days.
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These things are being done in preparation, not response. Hopefully, they will look mostly the same in 10-15 days.
Explain the testing lines....that don't exist.
Media: Testing is critical, we are testing 10,000 a day here there and now everywhere....
Reality: Testing tents sit idle...in the hardest hit areas, such as NY. Look at the videos. Forget the business of the hospital. Just look at the testing...that isn't apparently happening.
Trog, explain the hospitals in NY featured in the videos and the morgue trucks outside aren't running and the medical tents are empty....Remember, the media and SNS have told us, bodies are piling up and trucks have to be used to stack the dead in NY because the hospital system is overwhelmed...
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Because the numbers are low right now and they're pretty much only testing people with symptoms. If the numbers keep growing and more people have symptoms, there will be a growing demand for the testing centers. They don't want to be reactive. According to this projection from a model done by the University of Washington (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-states-peak-hospitals-53274e0e-69b8-4dc7-b069-fb27955c559a.html), Maryland's peak hospital resource demand isn't suppose to happen until May 14th. I hope that those testing tents are still empty then, it would be tremendous news.
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Cuomo just announced he is commandeering ventilators from private hospitals and companies across the state and giving them where are needed immediately.
More people have now died from Covid 19 in NYC than on 9/11
More people have now died from Covid 19 in NYC than on 9/11
You know as well as I do that you're not suppose to have a mind of your own when it comes to the military. You're just suppose to say yes sir, salute and march away.
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Why stockpile when you can just take.
I saw his news conference. He objected to the verb "seize," said it was a matter of "borrowing."
Uhhh, yeah, Gov, "borrowing" does not involve guns pointed at the donor. Idiot.
"We're in this together." Until we're not.
This is the problem I have with them "bending the curve" with the test results....Everyone thinks that is when we will be on the downhill side of it but if they cant test everyone, and probably never will be able to for that matter, someone please explain to me how they will 100 percent know?
The only hope here as I see it is that this thing dies out with the warmer weather because I don't think anything the government does at this point is going to take care of it.
And the pending economic disaster by keeping things shut down will last LONG after the virus is gone.
Maybe if Cuomo had taken some precautions a week or too sooner he wouldn't be in this spot. He is being hailed as a super hero for his actions and press conferences but it is his actions that are causing the reactions currently.
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Again I hate to agree with Trog but it is as bad or worse as you have heard in NYC. Go to a nursing page and read the first hand accounts. My Daughter just a got letter offering $5000 to $10000 a week to come work in the hard hit hospitals. Not all are are but the ones that are are bad and couple that with De Blasio totally ******* up the managment of his city and distribution of cases and resources.
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Shore leave for a week in Da Nang, in the middle of a pandemic, what could go wrong
Just saying, what real people are seeing and what the media is reporting isn't adding up. If you look at the hashtag on Twitter, you'll see endless videos of hospitals across the planet that are empty, testing centers with no one in line.
But the media is reporting this:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is a VERY large turnout for COVID-19 testing at Lot J this morning. The Department of Health and Human Services has limited tests at this site to 250 a day. Organizers advise that if you’re not in line within the hour, please come tomorrow.<a href="https://t.co/BCxR8bsQVK">https://t.co/BCxR8bsQVK</a> <a href="https://t.co/5aMSukdhpS">pic.twitter.com/5aMSukdhpS</a></p>— City of Jacksonville (COJ) (@CityofJax) <a href="https://twitter.com/CityofJax/status/1244253298162630656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Again, I'm not arguing this isn't real. But what people are seeing and what the media is reporting isn't adding up.
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Again, let’s hope it looks that way in 10-15 days. I work for a health system, our productivity is down 44% for March. There was a mad scramble to prepare for a potential surge, so far it hasn’t hit Pittsburgh either but I did see a model that had our peak being April 12. If you don’t think that much can change in 10 days, check out the stats from March 23rd.
I’m quite certain that this isn’t some elaborate hoax and they forgot crisis actors.
All I am pointing out is something doesn't add up. Not saying it is an elaborate hoax. Just that the evidence here isn't making a lot of practical sense.
The news uses Italian footage and purports it's here in America. Proven lie.
They show us long testing lines on TV and tell us tens of thousands are being tested daily.
They tell us semi-trailers with refrigeration are being used to load up dead bodies in NY. They sit idle.
Tent cities are erected at hospitals around the country that sit idle, some in the hardest hit areas.
People on the street aren't seeing it in places they should be seeing it. No testing lines. Empty tents. Empty morgue trucks.
One can readily admit that is odd given that we now have 266K cases approaching the levels of a bad flu season.
There are 214 hospitals in the state of New York. As of this moment, there are 102,863 CV19 cases in New York state.
As of this morning there are 52,948 CV19 cases in New York City. There are 66 hospitals in NYC. Understood that not all of these cases lead to hospitalization.
I don't now what the hospitalization rate is. 20%? If it is, that's 10,590 people who should be in NYC hospitals with CV19.
Yet countless of these videos I've posted are from Manhattan, showing little to no activity in the hospitals, in the tents, and idle morgue trucks. Again, just seems odd.
Call me Wig.
What is a "health care system"? A hospital, medical clinic, doctor's office, supply company, what?
I reviewed TSF's comments at some length. Nowhere - repeat, NOWHERE - did he ever write that the disease or its consequences were a hoax. You making reference to the Sandy Hook conspiracy comments and crisis actors is therefore not only inaccurate, it is a lie.
TSF and I have expressed legitimate concerns that the response is vastly overdone in light of the likely toll with such measures, as compared to what would happen with much more directed, measured steps such as calling for isolation for those over age 70 or with a serious underlying condition like HIV, diabetes, etc. The economic effect thus far from the "lockdown" approach has been devastating. If we continue on that path for two more months, we will not have a ******* country to worry about.
Your "health care system," that allows you to pay your bills and feed your family? **** that, gone if things continue this way. Who the **** is going to pay for your "health care system"? Private citizens? How, they are unemployed for four months. Government? Bankrupt. Who?
"Oh, if it saves just one life."
**** that stupidity. As I have written several times, the analysis is not some grade school "save just one life" approach. Instead, we MUST implement a cost-benefit analysis and do as little harm as possible. Your "health care system" experience has, I presume, led you at least in passing to read the Hippocratic oath - you know, where the first ******* goal of the medical practitioner is "do no harm."
Here? The harm being done is incalculable. I get that because your industry is medicine, you look at this solely as a medical issue. To a hammer, everything is a nail. But we need to socialize, earn money, buy a house, pay for the house, pay for upgrades, mow the lawn, go to entertainment, meet people, etc. In other words, we need to live.
What we are doing now is national suicide. And if you think there is "no other way," YOU ARE WRONG.
Lockdown, what lockdown? Sweden's unusual response to coronavirus
Meanwhile, Swedes love the outdoors and officials have said that keeping people physically and mentally healthy is another reason they're keen to avoid rules that would keep people cooped up at home.
"We have to combine looking at minimising the health effects of the virus outbreak and the economic impacts of this health crisis," says Andreas Hatzigeorgiou, CEO at the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce. "The business community here really thinks that the Swedish government and the Swedish approach is more sensible than in many other countries."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52076293
Will some die in Sweden directly due to the very dissimilar "lockdown" order? Probably. Sure. But is it very possible, indeed I suggest likely, that long-term their society is better off having the vast majority of people live their lives, meet, marry, fall in love, have kids, engage in commerce, etc.
That 1000 bed hospital ship that New York so desperately needed...has 20 patients on it.
Twenty.
And irony of irony, one of those patients in Rachel Maddow, being treated for terminal stupidity and doomsaying idiocy.
Again, simply pointing out that something is odd.
It was reported a day or two ago that there are fewer than 400 ICU hospital beds remaining in the city. It was reported that 84% of their ICU beds are full. Today they are 23% over capacity supposedly.
Elmhurst Hospital is supposedly the hardest hit with CV19 cases. There are numerous live streams of this hospital, yes from the outside, and also of the testing tents. Here is a video filmed yesterday (?) with absolutely no activity going on.
I know the people that are sick and dying are inside, but where are the people LINING UP FOR BLOCKS to get tested?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This a LIVE stream from Elmhurst hospital in Queens, New York. It was labeled the hardest hit and it is EMPTY. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EmptyHospitals?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EmptyHospitals</a> <a href="https://t.co/jI1nmaOL8Z">https://t.co/jI1nmaOL8Z</a></p>— catsfortrump�� (@catsfortrump1) <a href="https://twitter.com/catsfortrump1/status/1246143368825991169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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I thought I read that the USS Comfort would be used for non CV19 cases to treat people away from the virus.
Still though, just 20?
Kommiefornia's population is 40 million. Every DAY on average 750 people die from various causes there. Probably mostly via dumbassery. To date, 203 people have died from the virus, TOTAL. And the entire state is on lockdown. That's just one example. The vast majority of people who have died were elderly and had other underlying health issue, but Covid was listed as the cause, not being 97 with cancer. This **** needs to end. It's just crazy.
The CDC reports that there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the US in 2017. This averages out to around 7,700 deaths per day, 321 per hour, and five deaths per minute.
https://www.reference.com/world-view/many-people-die-day-world-b5a2258c374cba57
7,700 deaths per day. Every day.
So far in the United States, approximately 6,500 have died from COVID-19 between February 29, 2020 (the date of the first death) and April 3, 2020, a span of 35 days.
During that same time, another 269,500 have died from other causes.
Again, I am not suggesting that we as a nation ignore COVID-19, fail to take any preventative measures, pretend like there is no outbreak, etc. I am simply saying that an intelligent, measured response was and is called for - isolate the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions likely to foretell greater risk; tell those with any symptoms to stay the **** at home; have ALL people wear the surgical masks (not N95, unless you already have the mask), including those made at home from cloth, to help slow the spread.
And otherwise, go to work, go to school, live your life.
https://www.reference.com/world-view/many-people-die-day-world-b5a2258c374cba57
7,700 deaths per day. Every day.
So far in the United States, approximately 6,500 have died from COVID-19 between February 29, 2020 (the date of the first death) and April 3, 2020, a span of 35 days.
During that same time, another 269,500 have died from other causes.
Again, I am not suggesting that we as a nation ignore COVID-19, fail to take any preventative measures, pretend like there is no outbreak, etc. I am simply saying that an intelligent, measured response was and is called for - isolate the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions likely to foretell greater risk; tell those with any symptoms to stay the **** at home; have ALL people wear the surgical masks (not N95, unless you already have the mask), including those made at home from cloth, to help slow the spread.
And otherwise, go to work, go to school, live your life.