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The Coronavirus thread

For some reason we seem to allow ourselves to live with certain risks of deaths from things in this country, and have for a long time. But for this illness, some seem to be expecting to get to the point of zero risk. EVEN THOUGH it mostly affects the weakest among us. No one is screaming that we need to cancel anything to save the thousands of children who die around the world from flu every year. But for some reason we MUST urgently save every last 89 year old in a nursing home with COPD diabetes and heart disease from this illness.

That is perplexing to me.

But not really.
 
To a degree we actually do know some of those things. Again I can point out what is happening right now in NYC where they did not institute the same measures as other areas. Where are they now? California was looking bad and so was washington but they did institute these measures right away and they are doing much better than NYC. Just yesterday there was evidence presented that 12 feet may be what is needed and that this may actually a bit of an airborne spread pattern. as We learn more about it we are finding it is easier not harder to spread. Where it was left to spread it is killing people in pretty large numbers where it was dealt with immediately and with strict measures it isn't. I don't think the evidence needs to be much clearer than that. NY has 3565 dead already and is still a week away from it it's forecast peak. More dead than on 9/11 and this could have been lessened by simply staying home instead of the Mayor telling people to go on about their lives. Many of those sick include our Nurses and Doctors trying to treat this.

We currently sit at 25 deaths per million
Italy currently sits at 254, Spain at 256, France at 116.
If not for the actions taken by Trump and the Governors we would be in the same boat or close to it in many more major cities. Detroit is having problem and Michigans dumb *** governor waited a week longer than Dewine did in Ohio, I know because my son is up there for school.

Again I ask any of the Monday morning quarterbacks on this, what would you realistically as President have done particularly considering the election is november? I want to know what your answers would be taking all politics and advice received that we know of, would you really have done it differently?

You can always do things differently. But again you didn't address anything that was said. Just more "maybe 12 feet".. ok so instead of real science your ok with "maybe"? That's the point. Nobody knows yet. But you're ok with shutting down the world.

NY is a special case. The idiotic mayor had a hug a Chinese day not to long ago. Remember that? No wonder NY is in trouble. But again not near the trouble the "experts" said it was going to be in. You didn't touch that one either. A lot of these cases depend on what population segment contracts it first. The evidence needs to be much more clear than what you are projecting.

The "More people killed than 911" is a bogus argument as well. Fact is very few people died on 911. More people died of a lot of things than died on 911. So what?
 
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With this particular virus you are right it will take longer to contain it, that is shown on every graph they show, a much lower peak and a longer flatter curve. That is the entire point. this particular virus, when it is severe, totally overwhelms your system causing your own body to fight itself and that creates the respiratory issues. While it absolutely makes it stick around longer, it absolutely will saves lives by not overwhelming us all at once. It won't just lower the number of deaths initially it will drastically lower the number of deaths because with proper care most can survive this even when severe. The problems come when like in Italy the system can't give everyone the proper car. So while there absolutely have been more individually fatal diseases this one kills by quantity not by be all that dangerous to anone one person.

That is not unique to this virus.
What you are describing is pneumonia. Like the flu, COVID leads to pneumonia which can lead to death.

The sticking point in all of this that pneumonia caused by the flu is different from pneumonia caused by COVID, which makes antibiotics that treat other forms of pneumonia ineffective against COVID.

Here is a nicely written easy to understand piece which explains this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ungs-acute-respiratory-when-they-get-covid-19
 
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Let me ask you some questions you seem to ignore.

When you answer mine, I'll afford you the same respect, not before. Go back to my prior post, and also answer one more below..

Do you not care how many humans die as a result of the "cure?" It could be staggeringly more than die because of CV19.

You seem to either ignore this or don't care.
 
When you answer mine, I'll afford you the same respect, not before. Go back to my prior post, and also answer one more below..

Do you not care how many humans die as a result of the "cure?" It could be staggeringly more than die because of CV19.

You seem to either ignore this or don't care.

I care but I don't see that there is any actual scientific proof that any of those things will happen that you describe. I have more faith in humanity than that. I absolutely agree it will be hard but again what is the alternative?

Faced with the fact that lots of people die everyday and yes there may be ways to prevent those we should work on that. This is the here and now of a problem that while we don't have a complete grasp on we know it hits harder than the flu on certain people and like Stewey said is not able to be treated the same way. Until we do have more answers I am willing to risk the Economy temporarily to save lives of my older family and my daughter who is in harms way and many others. You guys try to explain away the areas it is bad and make false equivalencies to people lost from other diseases or accidents but they aren't at this point things that potentially endanger a vast amount of the population all at once rather than being spread out over a long period of time. It doesn't make those deaths more or less important. It is all about the current situation and how it is and should be handled in realistic terms.
OFTB has answered truthfully so Vader and Tim I honestly want to know given everything we do know if you were in Trump's shoes what would you do? To me that seems to be the most salient point since we don't know all the numbers the only ones we know are with any cerrtainy are how many have died due to this and how that number is tracking. Everything else will be in hindsight.
 
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A major problem appears to be that we waited way too long to prepare for this. When it became apparent this could become a pandemic--and experts and federal officials should have known way before the general public--the U.S. should have been ramping up its testing procedures and tracking methods. We didn't. It also didn't help that everyone was under the assumption this was "just the flu" and is "only serious for old people." At this point no one takes it seriously, cases begin to explode and we are now in catch up mode. We are on stay-at-home orders at least until the end of April, and hopefully many locations in the country will have peaked by then. Are we disinfecting the streets and public areas like we are seeing in successful countries?

Now rather than wait to see what's next, the plans for the soft reopening need to be put into action. I think we may be seeing a little of that in PA where the Governor has asked people to wear masks. If masks are going to help and they want us to wear them to try to get life back to normal, don't suggest it, tell us that's what we have to do. It seems very important that by this point, they have to have an efficient testing, tracking, and quarantine system in place to try to avoid a second wave.
 
You can always do things differently. But again you didn't address anything that was said. Just more "maybe 12 feet".. ok so instead of real science your ok with "maybe"? That's the point. Nobody knows yet. But you're ok with shutting down the world.

NY is a special case. The idiotic mayor had a hug a Chinese day not to long ago. Remember that? No wonder NY is in trouble. But again not near the trouble the "experts" said it was going to be in. You didn't touch that one either. A lot of these cases depend on what population segment contracts it first. The evidence needs to be much more clear than what you are projecting.

The "More people killed than 911" is a bogus argument as well. Fact is very few people died on 911. More people died of a lot of things than died on 911. So what?

As far as the Science my wife is doing a lot of her current semester of nursing studying the on going crisis and the actual math behind it look a the R naught numbers and the epidemiology, my daughter is dealing with the reality of it being on a covid floor as a nurse so I am seeing a lot of the science and information which absolutely seems to change daily. The mathematical curve of infections aside from the some of the modeling done is not pretty. I don't trust most models whether they are on this or the environment. I do trust the basic math of disease spread form the factors we do know and it is tracking to be bad not apocalyptically bad but it really looks like that is partly because of the measures taken and partly because we were given bad information to start, but even with the new information and calculus I am seeing on hospitalization rates of known cases we still need to flatten this out until hopefully the weather helps as Trump has hoped and we can get some treatments approved widespread while we wait on the vaccine. I am not for keeping us closed indefinitely I am certainly for making sure we keep the healthcare system from being overburdened.
 
A major problem appears to be that we waited way too long to prepare for this. When it became apparent this could become a pandemic--and experts and federal officials should have known way before the general public--the U.S. should have been ramping up its testing procedures and tracking methods. We didn't. It also didn't help that everyone was under the assumption this was "just the flu" and is "only serious for old people." At this point no one takes it seriously, cases begin to explode and we are now in catch up mode. We are on stay-at-home orders at least until the end of April, and hopefully many locations in the country will have peaked by then. Are we disinfecting the streets and public areas like we are seeing in successful countries?

Now rather than wait to see what's next, the plans for the soft reopening need to be put into action. I think we may be seeing a little of that in PA where the Governor has asked people to wear masks. If masks are going to help and they want us to wear them to try to get life back to normal, don't suggest it, tell us that's what we have to do. It seems very important that by this point, they have to have an efficient testing, tracking, and quarantine system in place to try to avoid a second wave.

Here is where I think we messed up and it is not entirely our fault. We at first trusted what the WHO was telling us about his and it appears they were either lying or just parroting what China was telling them to say. Had we truly known earlier we would be in at least a little better state PPE wise but China and the WHO ****** us over. Look at how far into this they were still down playing it and even saying it did not spread human to human.
 
I care but I don't see that there is any actual scientific proof that any of those things will happen that you describe. I have more faith in humanity than that. I absolutely agree it will be hard but again what is the alternative?

Then you are naive. Vader's already called you out on your lack of use of science. I gave you scientific studies that pointed to evidence of these deaths happening during economic downturns. You want to ignore them because of your bias on this topic. People will die due to suicide, lack of health care coverage, drug addictions, heart attacks and hunger.

I'll take you dismissing it as you don't care.

Yet, you will spew about information that 'millions could die!' of CV19 when there is no hard scientific evidence to suggest that will happen. Millions could die of the flu without a vaccine. We will find a vaccine here too.

Regardless, given how you conversationally want to handle this - ignoring others' questions while continuing to lecture, ignoring others' scientific evidence produced and only adhering to the science you bring to the thread, a rational discussion can't ensue. You want to lecture.

You can keep peppering me with questions and I'll answer like OFTB did. When you answer mine.

We all get your points dude. As much as many of us disagree with them.
 
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Then you are naive. Vader's already called you out on your lack of use of science. I gave you scientific studies that pointed to evidence of these deaths happening during economic downturns. You want to ignore them because of your bias on this topic. People will die due to suicide, lack of health care coverage, drug addictions, heart attacks and hunger.

I'll take you dismissing it as you don't care.

Yet, you will spew about information that 'millions could die!' when there is no scientific evidence to suggest that will happen.

Therefore a rational discussion can't ensue.

You can keep peppering me with questions and I'll answer like OFTB did. When you answer mine.

At this point you don't want to have a discussion, you want to lecture.

We all get your points dude. As much as many of us disagree with them.

Damn it Tim, I never said millions will die. I said it could have happened if we did nothing. We didn't do nothing thank god. If you look I answered Vader in a separate post.

I get your points I really do. But looking at it from the perspective of having two people intricately involved in this hands on and with first hand knowledge I have a different view point. i am not trying to be doom and gloom I honestly want to know what you would have done differently it is a simple yet complex question. But I think it would be an interesting discussion to have. I am not trying to belittle you or saying I have all the answers. I am a little personally involved and get a bit emotional on this. Please don't take it personally, talking this **** out is therapy for me in a way.
 
Here is where I think we messed up and it is not entirely our fault. We at first trusted what the WHO was telling us about his and it appears they were either lying or just parroting what China was telling them to say. Had we truly known earlier we would be in at least a little better state PPE wise but China and the WHO ****** us over. Look at how far into this they were still down playing it and even saying it did not spread human to human.

Yet reason #65528282 why trump must win again. Time to cut the fat.
 
Damn it Tim, I never said millions will die. I said it could have happened if we did nothing. We didn't do nothing thank god. If you look I answered Vader in a separate post.

I get your points I really do. But looking at it from the perspective of having two people intricately involved in this hands on and with first hand knowledge I have a different view point. i am not trying to be doom and gloom I honestly want to know what you would have done differently it is a simple yet complex question. But I think it would be an interesting discussion to have. I am not trying to belittle you or saying I have all the answers. I am a little personally involved and get a bit emotional on this. Please don't take it personally, talking this **** out is therapy for me in a way.

Should I? Yeah I will. Imma stick my toe in.


I’m involved heavily. As stated many times I work for nursing home company. Can’t express the volumn of my work that has increased. But it’s all for those proving care and my residents so worth it.

We have had cases, resident and staff. We have had residents that have passed. My wife aunt in her center passed today. So what I’m about to say is not made with trying to make light of any of this.

The numbers aren’t that bad considering. Are we stressed to the MAX for PPE and staffing? Ducking-A right. (**** it tired of fixing auto correct). But again, given my work, the folks in my centers, it’s an uptick to flu season. Yes yes. Stop the comparison. But it’s math. I pray it doesn’t spike. I just don’t see it first hand
 
Damn it Tim, I never said millions will die. I said it could have happened if we did nothing. We didn't do nothing thank god. If you look I answered Vader in a separate post.

I get your points I really do. But looking at it from the perspective of having two people intricately involved in this hands on and with first hand knowledge I have a different view point. i am not trying to be doom and gloom I honestly want to know what you would have done differently it is a simple yet complex question. But I think it would be an interesting discussion to have. I am not trying to belittle you or saying I have all the answers. I am a little personally involved and get a bit emotional on this. Please don't take it personally, talking this **** out is therapy for me in a way.

And where you get the idea I would have done anything differently is beyond me. You're presuming, much like Trog does.

If you've noticed I have issue with the length of this shut down. Not THE shutdown. A shutdown was necessary. There's your answer. Happpy?

Now kindly stop dismissing me and go back and answer my questions.

And I'll stand by this...the cure is going to be worse and kill more than CV19 will in 2020. We can bet on it. You can copy this and remind me of it later. I'll take that bet to Vegas and wager everything I have.
 
And where you get the idea I would have done anything differently is beyond me. You're presuming, much like Trog does.

If you've noticed I have issue with the length of this shut down. Not THE shutdown. A shutdown was necessary. There's your answer. Happpy?

Now kindly stop dismissing me and go back and answer my questions.

And I'll stand by this...the cure is going to be worse and kill more than CV19 will in 2020. We can bet on it. You can copy this and remind me of it later. I'll take that bet to Vegas and wager everything I have.

The length of it is the great unknown. I thought I had answered them at least to a degree. Look I am sorry but the it is hard to tell with the tone you seem to take about this so I apologize yes I was assuming incorrectly that you while you are abiding by the shutdown you disagreed with it. It is a little hard to tell with the tone. Trog being who he is would have an even tougher time figuring it out. I will admit my mistake on that. I was Social Sciences/ Political Sciences guy in college. I get those studies on the effects of unemployment but I don't know if they correlate directly to a situation like this. It will be an important case study to do as we are in fairly uncharted territory with this type of sudden unexpected and hopefully short term unemployment. You could be right or we could also see something entirely different considering the circumstances. I am bit of an optimist by nature on humanities ability to overcome extreme circumstances versus a slow boil recession.
 
The length of it is the great unknown. I thought I had answered them at least to a degree. Look I am sorry but the it is hard to tell with the tone you seem to take about this so I apologize yes I was assuming incorrectly that you while you are abiding by the shutdown you disagreed with it. It is a little hard to tell with the tone. Trog being who he is would have an even tougher time figuring it out. I will admit my mistake on that. I was Social Sciences/ Political Sciences guy in college. I get those studies on the effects of unemployment but I don't know if they correlate directly to a situation like this. It will be an important case study to do as we are in fairly uncharted territory with this type of sudden unexpected and hopefully short term unemployment. You could be right or we could also see something entirely different considering the circumstances. I am bit of an optimist by nature on humanities ability to overcome extreme circumstances versus a slow boil recession.

I'll say it again...anyone who thinks this lengthy shut down won't lead to countless human deaths is being naive. That's a generalized comment, not directed specifically at you. And it only takes common sense if you think about it.

The #1 reason couples argue? Money. People (yearly to the tunes of tens of thousands) kill themselves, often due to hopelessness. What is one of the main reasons? Lack of money. I have a friend who's father hanged himself so his family could get his life insurance money (no suicide clause in it) because he could no longer provide for them.

People will commit suicide.

Crimes and robbery will increase. Southern Italy already has riots and looting because of the shut down. As someone else said in this thread about his grandfather or father....things change when people get hungry. Oh...people are gonna be really hungry. 6.6 million laid off in one week? It's going to get ugly. Crimes will rise as people struggle. There will be homicides due to this.

The stress of no job for who knows how long will induce heart attacks, drug addictions, alcoholism. To say it won't is living in a bubble.

The repercussions of this on the human being is going to be worse and worse the longer this goes.

Some states and even the government are now talking about MONTHS. Hell today they are debating whether the NFL season will start on time.

I appreciate you are personally in this, and I pray for the safety of your loved ones. But it's really upon us all to consider the whole. We move on with our lives when 80,000 people succumb to the flu. We are at the point where we need to start moving on and consider those people below the poverty line who need to eat, those middle income class people who are being pushed below the poverty line, those who are ill who need health insurance and countless more. This is materially affecting them. Many will die because of this.

And none of this considers what happens to our nation, our sovereignty, our debt, our ability to defend ourselves, and so much more.

Sorry but anyone saying this is necessary while ignoring the ramifications that are going to hit us hard as hell in the coming months is either selfish, naive, or politically driven.

Beware the cure.
 
Lul. Length you say. I always tell them ima grower. But the Irish in my says otherwise. Lol.

Ima grower LOL

You sir win the internet today.

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I'll say it again...anyone who thinks this lengthy shut down won't lead to countless human deaths is being naive. That's a generalized comment, not directed specifically at you. And it only takes common sense if you think about it.

The #1 reason couples argue? Money. People (yearly to the tunes of tens of thousands) kill themselves, often due to hopelessness. What is one of the main reasons? Lack of money. I have a friend who's father hanged himself so his family could get his life insurance money (no suicide clause in it) because he could no longer provide for them.

People will commit suicide.

Crimes and robbery will increase. Southern Italy already has riots and looting because of the shut down. As someone else said in this thread about his grandfather or father....things change when people get hungry. Oh...people are gonna be really hungry. 6.6 million laid off in one week? It's going to get ugly. Crimes will rise as people struggle. There will be homicides due to this.

The stress of no job for who knows how long will induce heart attacks, drug addictions, alcoholism. To say it won't is living in a bubble.

The repercussions of this on the human being is going to be worse and worse the longer this goes.

Some states and even the government are now talking about MONTHS. Hell today they are debating whether the NFL season will start on time.

I appreciate you are personally in this, and I pray for the safety of your loved ones. But it's really upon us all to consider the whole. We move on with our lives when 80,000 people succumb to the flu. We are at the point where we need to start moving on and consider those people below the poverty line who need to eat, those middle income class people who are being pushed below the poverty line, those who are ill who need health insurance and countless more. This is materially affecting them. Many will die because of this.

And none of this considers what happens to our nation, our sovereignty, our debt, our ability to defend ourselves, and so much more.

Sorry but anyone saying this is necessary while ignoring the ramifications that are going to hit us hard as hell in the coming months is either selfish, naive, or politically driven.

Beware the cure.

I get it. My only statement on it is this uncertain and uncharted. It could end up much better than you say because it is just a brief spike of unemployment or much worse if Trump loses and some numb nuts lefty gets in with both houses of Congress. I think coming out of this with Trump in charge will lead to a WW2 like period of growth in our manufacturing base as we bring home jobs from China and other places. If it isn’t Trump and we get another full on globalist we are ******. The Election is another variable to consider when talking mental health right now. If Trump does win as I expect the suicide rate on the left will probably spike.


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I read another statistic today that a large majority of people in the high risk group who are put on ventilators will die.

Now, imagine your elderly parent or grandparent is 80, 85, 90 whatever. They have numerous underlying conditions. COPD, diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure.

They contract an aggressive form of cancer.

You are told that they can do an aggressive regimen of chemo that will make their last days absolutely miserable but they will very likely die anyway. Oh, and during that time you are not allowed to be with them at all.

The vast majority of people in that situation will say, hell no. We're going to go for quality of life and accept that life might be a few weeks or months or even years shorter.

These kinds of end of life decisions are made regularly, every single day in this country.

But for some reason for this particular illness, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who gets it must be put on a ventilator. No matter what their underlying conditions, no matter what their chances of survival, no matter what their age. And if they die we will count this as a dismal failure, of someone, somewhere. And of course if anyone makes one of these end of life decisions in this pandemic, it's terrible! Horrible! You are heartlessly letting grandma die! But in any other time, it's perfectly normal and acceptable.

We have to start asking ourselves, why?

This is not right. There is something really ****** up about this.
 
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I get it. My only statement on it is this uncertain and uncharted. It could end up much better than you say because it is just a brief spike of unemployment or much worse if Trump loses and some numb nuts lefty gets in with both houses of Congress. I think coming out of this with Trump in charge will lead to a WW2 like period of growth in our manufacturing base as we bring home jobs from China and other places. If it isn’t Trump and we get another full on globalist we are ******. The Election is another variable to consider when talking mental health right now. If Trump does win as I expect the suicide rate on the left will probably spike.


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Only comment to that. Uncertain and unchartered shouldn't lead to us succumbing. Folding up like a house of cards. A little shut down I get. Longer? Not with the program.
 
I read another statistic today that a large majority of people in the high risk group who are put on ventilators will die.

Now, imagine your elderly parent or grandparent is 80, 85, 90 whatever. They have numerous underlying conditions. COPD, diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure.

They contract an aggressive form of cancer.

You are told that they can do an aggressive regimen of chemo that will make their last days absolutely miserable but they will very likely die anyway. Oh, and during that time you are not allowed to be with them at all.

The vast majority of people in that situation will say, hell no. We're going to go for quality of life and accept that life might be a few weeks or months or even years shorter.

These kinds of end of life decisions are made regularly, every single day in this country.

But for some reason for this particular illness, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who gets it must be put on a ventilator. No matter what their underlying conditions, no matter what their chances of survival, no matter what their age. And if they die we will count this as a dismal failure, of someone, somewhere.

We have to start asking ourselves, why?

This is not right. There is something really ****** up about this.

Requoted for truth. We are treating this differently than cancer, heart disease, the flu, Ebola, AIDS/HIV, SAR, MERS, etc and so forth. The question is why. I have my own theories.
 
My grandmother was a breast cancer survivor and lifetime chain smoker. She died of respiratory failure in her 80s. There was never any talk of "let's put her on a ventilator for three weeks and see if we can save her". Everyone knew at her age and in her condition, a respiratory illness could kill her. She got pneumonia and respiratory failure and died peacefully and quietly after a nice day of spending time with her family.

Yet for some reason that is no longer allowed.

Why?
 
I read another statistic today that a large majority of people in the high risk group who are put on ventilators will die.

Now, imagine your elderly parent or grandparent is 80, 85, 90 whatever. They have numerous underlying conditions. COPD, diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure.

They contract an aggressive form of cancer.

You are told that they can do an aggressive regimen of chemo that will make their last days absolutely miserable but they will very likely die anyway. Oh, and during that time you are not allowed to be with them at all.

The vast majority of people in that situation will say, hell no. We're going to go for quality of life and accept that life might be a few weeks or months or even years shorter.

These kinds of end of life decisions are made regularly, every single day in this country.

But for some reason for this particular illness, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who gets it must be put on a ventilator. No matter what their underlying conditions, no matter what their chances of survival, no matter what their age. And if they die we will count this as a dismal failure, of someone, somewhere. And of course if anyone makes one of these end of life decisions in this pandemic, it's terrible! Horrible! You are heartlessly letting grandma die! But in any other time, it's perfectly normal and acceptable.

We have to start asking ourselves, why?

This is not right. There is something really ****** up about this.

My wife’s aunt who passed, they tried to put her in a vent. She was around 90, he husband just past of like 60 plus years. She wanted to see him. While not my side of family, I’m thinking that’s what she wanted.

I’d love to see a poll of 70 plus us citizens and what they want. Do you fear this and want us to hide or do. You want to love the remaining days for however many they are.
 
Fact check: Did the Obama administration deplete the federal stockpile of N95 masks?

The claim: The Obama administration used and did not replenish the nation’s emergency stockpile of medical supplies, including N95 masks

As the novel coronavirus pandemic strains health care systems, questions around the U.S. government's response have circulated in the media and online.

On March 26, The Daily Wire published an article centering on the Obama administration’s role in using and allegedly failing to replenish the federal stockpile of N95 masks.

“The Obama administration significantly depleted the federal stockpile of N95 respirator masks to deal with the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009 and never rebuilt the stockpile despite calls to do so,” the piece begins.

USA TODAY investigation:US never spent enough on emergency stockpile, former managers say

The article draws from the reporting of outlets including Bloomberg News and the Los Angeles Times. According to Bloomberg News, “after the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply.”

“After the swine flu epidemic in 2009, a safety-equipment industry association and a federally sponsored task force both recommended that depleted supplies of N95 respirator masks, which filter out airborne particles, be replenished by the stockpile,” the Los Angeles Times reported.

On Wednesday, President Donald Trump said during a press conference the country’s stockpile of personal protective equipment, including medical gear like N95 masks, is almost depleted.

A history of the national emergency stockpile
Established in 1999 to prepare the country for threats like pandemics, natural disasters and acts of bioterrorism, the United States has used and maintained its Strategic National Stockpile of medical supplies during times of acute crisis in the health care system.

The reserve was originally named the National Pharmaceutical Stockpile, but was renamed during a 2003 restructuring when additional materials were added to the supply. The stockpile is jointly managed by the departments of Defense and Health and Human Services.

While officials rarely discuss specifics about the reserve, like the exact locations and value of its contents, the fund's restocking contracts are largely public, including a July 2019 deal for vaccines valued at $1.5 billion.

Warnings about the United States' lack of preparedness for a serious pandemic have come from both inside the federal government and elsewhere since at least the early 2000s and as recently as last year.

“SARS has infected relatively few people nationwide, but it has raised concerns about preparedness for large-scale infectious disease outbreaks,” a 2003 analysis from the Government Accountability Office reads.

HHS Secretary Alex Azar said in April 2019 the BioDefense Summit that a pandemic was among his top concerns, CNN reported on Friday. "Of course, the thing that people ask: 'What keeps you most up at night in the biodefense world?' Pandemic flu, of course. I think everyone in this room probably shares that concern," Azar told the summit. (His full remarks are available on the HHS website.)

The stockpile has been used at least 13 times since its creation, including during the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and 2001 anthrax attacks. Also during the George W. Bush administration, the national stockpile was deployed in response to hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005 and then again for Hurricanes Gustav and Ike in 2008, according to the stockpile's history published by the HHS.

In 2005, the Bush administration published a report that urged investment in local and national stockpiles, increasing domestic production capacity and coordinating research efforts toward cures and vaccines. In 2006, Congress approved expanding the stockpile to include protective gear like N95 surgical masks.

During the presidency of Barack Obama, the national stockpile was seriously taxed as the administration addressed multiple crises over eight years. About "75 percent of N95 respirators and 25 percent of face masks contained in the CDC's Strategic National Stockpile (∼100 million products) were deployed for use in health care settings over the course of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic response," according to a 2017 study in the journal Health Security.

Again according to NIH, the stockpile's resources were also used during hurricanes Alex, Irene, Isaac and Sandy. Flooding in 2010 in North Dakota also called for stockpile funds to be deployed. The 2014 outbreaks of the ebola virus and botulism, as well as the 2016 outbreak of the zika virus, continued to significantly tax the stockpile with no serious effort from the Obama administration to replenish the fund.

ProPublica reported on April 3 that congressional budget battles in the early years of the Obama administration contributed to stockpile shortages. But the article notes available funds were used not to replenish masks: "With limited resources, officials in charge of the stockpile tend to focus on buying lifesaving drugs from small biotechnology firms that would, in the absence of a government buyer, have no other market for their products, experts said. Masks and other protective equipment are in normal times widely available and thus may not have been prioritized for purchase, they said."

During the presidency of Donald Trump, analysts have warned the United States is not prepared for a serious pandemic.

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“We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support,” the 2019 World Threat Assessment from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence states.

The Trump administration has not taken significant steps to replenish the masks in the Strategic National Stockpile.

Our rating: True
We rate this claim TRUE because it is supported by our research. There is no indication that the Obama administration took significant steps to replenish the supply of N95 masks in the Strategic National Stockpile after it was depleted from repeated crises. Calls for action came from experts at the time concerned for the country’s ability to respond to future serious pandemics. Such recommendations were, for whatever reason, not heeded.

Our fact-check sources:
Department of Health and Human Services, Strategic National Stockpile: History
Government Accountability Office, 2003 Report on Public Health Capacity
Health Security, Personal Protective Equipment Supply Chain: Lessons Learned from Recent Public Health Emergency Responses
Homeland Security Council, 2005 National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza
National Institute of Health, The Strategic National Stockpile: Origin, Policy Foundations, and Federal Context
2019 Worldwide Threat Assessment of the US Intelligence Community
 
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